49ers select Alfred Collins-DT-Texas with the 43rd pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by 49ers808:


I was just about to respond to this but you did it for me.

All Gas No Brakes!!

It's why the pick didn't make any sense…hopefully we see some serious development this yr

Originally posted by Scoots:
The Niners are not great at their early picks. I don't think anyone has argued that. If there is some way of being sure to stop picking players who don't work out that would be great.

My contention, as you are well aware, is that you don't know what you seem to think you know when it comes to "overdrafting". The consensus is wrong all the time too. Shadeur Sanders went in the first half of the first round right? He's a day 1 starter right? And you talk like Collins was a crazy reach ... the consensus has him as a 2nd round pick.

There's a way to improve your chances…stop reaching for players constantly. It's hard enough to draft better talent and have them become good NFL starters.

We have enough data backing up that stance. We haven't drafted well and we lead the league in reaching. It's not some coincidence. Again you can't tell me of anyone who we all can agree was a reach, that turned into the right pick.

There's a plethora of draft data & valuable opinions from people who also do draft evaluations for a living (some with former experience at the NFL level) acting like all of it is b******t because your team constantly goes against it (and fails) is a poor argument.

Collins was not the 43rd player on the consensus big board. You're looking at an early 3rd or possibly end of the second at most. It wasn't a massive reach from that perspective (still a reach), it was head scratcher based on what he did at Texas and what we want our DL to do. He offers next to nothing as a pass rusher…all of that is projection.

IMO it was a head scratcher based on other players on the board and the depth of the group overall.

As always, I want all the guys that get drafted here to be good, hopefully he will be. We need him to be good now though, not 3 yrs from now.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scoots:
The Niners are not great at their early picks. I don't think anyone has argued that. If there is some way of being sure to stop picking players who don't work out that would be great.

My contention, as you are well aware, is that you don't know what you seem to think you know when it comes to "overdrafting". The consensus is wrong all the time too. Shadeur Sanders went in the first half of the first round right? He's a day 1 starter right? And you talk like Collins was a crazy reach ... the consensus has him as a 2nd round pick.

There's a way to improve your chances…stop reaching for players constantly. It's hard enough to draft better talent and have them become good NFL starters.

We have enough data backing up that stance. We haven't drafted well and we lead the league in reaching. It's not some coincidence. Again you can't tell me of anyone who we all can agree was a reach, that turned into the right pick.

There's a plethora of draft data & valuable opinions from people who also do draft evaluations for a living (some with former experience at the NFL level) acting like all of it is b******t because your team constantly goes against it (and fails) is a poor argument.

Collins was not the 43rd player on the consensus big board. You're looking at an early 3rd or possibly end of the second at most. It wasn't a massive reach from that perspective (still a reach), it was head scratcher based on what he did at Texas and what we want our DL to do. He offers next to nothing as a pass rusher…all of that is projection.

IMO it was a head scratcher based on other players on the board and the depth of the group overall.

As always, I want all the guys that get drafted here to be good, hopefully he will be. We need him to be good now though, not 3 yrs from now.

Except your definition of "reach" doesn't match everyone's definition.

And we will never get everyone to agree on anything. And since this is about the 5th time around between us on this subject I'll bring up that Joe Montana was a "reach" and he worked out.

I didn't say Collins was the 43rd player, I said he was a 2nd round pick on the consensus board. The consensus board means there were people who had him well above there and some well below.

Also, your consensus board had Shadeur Sanders in the first half of the first round.

Originally posted by Scoots:
Except your definition of "reach" doesn't match everyone's definition.

And we will never get everyone to agree on anything. And since this is about the 5th time around between us on this subject I'll bring up that Joe Montana was a "reach" and he worked out.

I didn't say Collins was the 43rd player, I said he was a 2nd round pick on the consensus board. The consensus board means there were people who had him well above there and some well below.

Also, your consensus board had Shadeur Sanders in the first half of the first round.

This is what people don't understand. Reach to who? Consensus big board comprised of who? What is the long term correlation all up between media big board and success in the NFL?

Lots of questions but the answer is always the same: idk, stop reaching based on where I think a player should have been taken after reviewing some articles online

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by Scoots:
Except your definition of "reach" doesn't match everyone's definition.

And we will never get everyone to agree on anything. And since this is about the 5th time around between us on this subject I'll bring up that Joe Montana was a "reach" and he worked out.

I didn't say Collins was the 43rd player, I said he was a 2nd round pick on the consensus board. The consensus board means there were people who had him well above there and some well below.

Also, your consensus board had Shadeur Sanders in the first half of the first round.

This is what people don't understand. Reach to who? Consensus big board comprised of who? What is the long term correlation all up between media big board and success in the NFL?

Lots of questions but the answer is always the same: idk, stop reaching based on where I think a player should have been taken after reviewing some articles online

Nah, NY's better than that. He uses this https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2025/consensus-big-board-2025

And someone did a review of success based on that website over the last 9 years and the 49ers are more likely to pick early based on that site and those picks have mostly failed.

I think it's correlation more than causation, but if the 49ers just did whatever that site said I suspect NY would still complain. They would have taken Tyler Warren this year I guess :)

Originally posted by frenchmov:
This is what people don't understand. Reach to who? Consensus big board comprised of who? What is the long term correlation all up between media big board and success in the NFL?

Lots of questions but the answer is always the same: idk, stop reaching based on where I think a player should have been taken after reviewing some articles online

There's a consensus big board, you can check it out.

I mean SF has reached more than anyone over the past 5+ yrs. Do you think they've draft well? Do you think the players deemed a reach have turned into the right pick?

Originally posted by Scoots:
Nah, NY's better than that. He uses this https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2025/consensus-big-board-2025

And someone did a review of success based on that website over the last 9 years and the 49ers are more likely to pick early based on that site and those picks have mostly failed.

I think it's correlation more than causation, but if the 49ers just did whatever that site said I suspect NY would still complain. They would have taken Tyler Warren this year I guess :)

Williams was the 14th overall player. Not complaining about that. Need at an impact position meets the proper value. They had no need to draft another TE after signing Kittle.

Players I liked at 11 was Williams and Nolen, I was a fan of Harmon but he had an injury flag.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
There's a consensus big board, you can check it out.

I mean SF has reached more than anyone over the past 5+ yrs. Do you think they've draft well? Do you think the players deemed a reach have turned into the right pick?

Consensus big board amongst who? NFL scouts? A conglomerate of YouTube/pff guys? That's my question. By your logic, these big boards are accurate. Yet, year after year after year, top 10 guys are terrible, and guys picked in the 6th round are good.

Do I think the 49ers have drafted well? Sure. Unless you think Lynch inherited a Superbowl roster in 2017 and all those guys have been there throughout.

As for the players deemed a reach being good, I don't know. Lenoir I remember was pegged as a 6th-7th rounder. We took him in 5th.

Warner was a round 4+, we took him in the 3rd.

And so on. My point was never that the niners have hit on all their picks. They miss more often than not, much like most NFL teams. I also see no correlation to your big board conglomerate and success in the NFL but willing to look at any proof into it being the way to go

I bet the chiefs reached for skyy moore, just like all teams do

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
I bet the chiefs reached for skyy moore, just like all teams do

Funny enough I and many others thought Chiefs got a steal with Moore.

Another reminder that it's simply a guessing game to a degree.

Collins comp on NFL.com is Kinlaw. Guess we should be happy we didn't draft him in the first round. I certainly hope he develops and turns into a player worthy of that spot but we don't know.

In the end if he's a bust but Mykel, CJ West, Martin and Stout turn into good to great starters for us this draft will be a great one. If Sigle, Watkins, James and Colby even provide good depth it may be one of our best classes in a long time.

I think so far(yes it's too early to tell good or bad) the draft class certainly seems to be a good one vs bad.

Hopefully these guys are key in bursting through that SB window again in a big way!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Scoots:
Nah, NY's better than that. He uses this https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2025/consensus-big-board-2025

And someone did a review of success based on that website over the last 9 years and the 49ers are more likely to pick early based on that site and those picks have mostly failed.

I think it's correlation more than causation, but if the 49ers just did whatever that site said I suspect NY would still complain. They would have taken Tyler Warren this year I guess :)

Williams was the 14th overall player. Not complaining about that. Need at an impact position meets the proper value. They had no need to draft another TE after signing Kittle.

Players I liked at 11 was Williams and Nolen, I was a fan of Harmon but he had an injury flag.

Right, nobody around here wanted the 49ers to draft Warren :)

The point I was trying to make is that according to the consensus board Warren was the best value at that pick and you have implied that taking the highest value player is how the Ravens have been so successful.

And the OBVIOUS major failings on the "consensus" board are that the teams are not part of the consensus which shows up when several teams admit a player would not have fallen anywhere close to where the "consensus" rated them, and because of things like Shadeur Sanders being #12 and not actually being picked until the 5th round. Mel Kiper Jr (who's big board/mock is as far as I can tell also not part of the "consensus") said it was disgusting that Sanders wasn't taken in the top 10. And yet here we are looking at the real possibility he will be cut tomorrow.

I would LOVE the teams to release their boards by NFL rule. Maybe they could do it 5 years later or something. They don't want to do it and hurt players feelings, but after 5 years most of them will be out of the NFL.

In other news, Maiocco had Collins running with the 1st team D-Line in practice today - alongside Mykel and West.

Collins looked alive! I hope all our draft picks hit we need them now.

Originally posted by CornellU49er:
In other news, Maiocco had Collins running with the 1st team D-Line in practice today - alongside Mykel and West.

Part of that might be because Kalia Davis wasn't practicing.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Part of that might be because Kalia Davis wasn't practicing.

Sounds very Kalia Davis.