49ers select Alfred Collins-DT-Texas with the 43rd pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
When they designed the system that slotted draft picks why didn't they include language that would address how much of the salary was guaranteed. Maybe they need to add that in the next agreement.

Maybe, but the agents were complaining about the first round picks already where they were fully guaranteed. The only way to get agents/players to accept it would be if the amounts went up significantly.

So they woukld need to negotiate. It would be better than this BS of players holding out for more guaranteed money when they haven't even played a down. Building a team is hard enough without salary for rookie being an issue. It's getting to the point where money is more important than talent and coaching.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by Scoots:
30 as of yesterday.

f**k so this a league-wide issue and not just our issue.

If you want to be upset at someone may as well go with Seattle. They're the 3rd pick in the 2nd round so I'm sure everyone is waiting to see what they do with their safety.

Stay strong Seattle. I'm upset with the greedy agents, not the owners on this one.

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by Scoots:
30 as of yesterday.

f**k so this a league-wide issue and not just our issue.

If you want to be upset at someone may as well go with Seattle. They're the 3rd pick in the 2nd round so I'm sure everyone is waiting to see what they do with their safety.

Stay strong Seattle. I'm upset with the greedy agents, not the owners on this one.

I'm not advocating for Settle to give him a fully guaranteed deal...i'm advocating for them to get their guy signed with the standard allotment for 2nd rounders so the rest can follow suit.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
When they designed the system that slotted draft picks why didn't they include language that would address how much of the salary was guaranteed. Maybe they need to add that in the next agreement.

Maybe, but the agents were complaining about the first round picks already where they were fully guaranteed. The only way to get agents/players to accept it would be if the amounts went up significantly.

So they woukld need to negotiate. It would be better than this BS of players holding out for more guaranteed money when they haven't even played a down. Building a team is hard enough without salary for rookie being an issue. It's getting to the point where money is more important than talent and coaching.

The agents are generally not part of CBA negotiations, and the amount of the contracts are set in the CBA.

Money is respect to the players. They are not really the issue, and certainly not with rookies. The issue is, as usual, the agents.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
When they designed the system that slotted draft picks why didn't they include language that would address how much of the salary was guaranteed. Maybe they need to add that in the next agreement.

Maybe, but the agents were complaining about the first round picks already where they were fully guaranteed. The only way to get agents/players to accept it would be if the amounts went up significantly.

So they woukld need to negotiate. It would be better than this BS of players holding out for more guaranteed money when they haven't even played a down. Building a team is hard enough without salary for rookie being an issue. It's getting to the point where money is more important than talent and coaching.

The agents are generally not part of CBA negotiations, and the amount of the contracts are set in the CBA.

Money is respect to the players. They are not really the issue, and certainly not with rookies. The issue is, as usual, the agents.

Agents may not be part of the CBA negotiations directly but they are indirectly. It's agents that guide the players. Agents put the ideas in their head that they're underpaid. Agents want more money for players because it means more for them.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
When they designed the system that slotted draft picks why didn't they include language that would address how much of the salary was guaranteed. Maybe they need to add that in the next agreement.

Maybe, but the agents were complaining about the first round picks already where they were fully guaranteed. The only way to get agents/players to accept it would be if the amounts went up significantly.

So they woukld need to negotiate. It would be better than this BS of players holding out for more guaranteed money when they haven't even played a down. Building a team is hard enough without salary for rookie being an issue. It's getting to the point where money is more important than talent and coaching.

The agents are generally not part of CBA negotiations, and the amount of the contracts are set in the CBA.

Money is respect to the players. They are not really the issue, and certainly not with rookies. The issue is, as usual, the agents.

Agents may not be part of the CBA negotiations directly but they are indirectly. It's agents that guide the players. Agents put the ideas in their head that they're underpaid. Agents want more money for players because it means more for them.

Yes, but my point was that if players are going to accept less flexibility on rookie deals they would want more money and it would have to be in the CBA and that's certainly not a factor on this year. I'm sure agents have ideas of what they want the CBA to be. The thing is the CBA negotiations from the players side is generally all veterans and they don't tend to focus on what rookies might want, and the agents make a lot more money on veterans so their advice will likely be more on 2nd contracts too :)

Trade this bum. Dude isn't even showing up??

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
When they designed the system that slotted draft picks why didn't they include language that would address how much of the salary was guaranteed. Maybe they need to add that in the next agreement.

Maybe, but the agents were complaining about the first round picks already where they were fully guaranteed. The only way to get agents/players to accept it would be if the amounts went up significantly.

So they woukld need to negotiate. It would be better than this BS of players holding out for more guaranteed money when they haven't even played a down. Building a team is hard enough without salary for rookie being an issue. It's getting to the point where money is more important than talent and coaching.

The agents are generally not part of CBA negotiations, and the amount of the contracts are set in the CBA.

Money is respect to the players. They are not really the issue, and certainly not with rookies. The issue is, as usual, the agents.

Agents may not be part of the CBA negotiations directly but they are indirectly. It's agents that guide the players. Agents put the ideas in their head that they're underpaid. Agents want more money for players because it means more for them.

Yes, but my point was that if players are going to accept less flexibility on rookie deals they would want more money and it would have to be in the CBA and that's certainly not a factor on this year. I'm sure agents have ideas of what they want the CBA to be. The thing is the CBA negotiations from the players side is generally all veterans and they don't tend to focus on what rookies might want, and the agents make a lot more money on veterans so their advice will likely be more on 2nd contracts too :)

That's assuming they get a 2nd contract. Many players don't. Jennings had his best season by far last year but that was because they had so many injuries. With Aiyuk out most of the year and CMC out all but one game Jennings saw more action. Pearsall also got off to a slow start because of injuries and Deebo had his worst season. Jennings at least stayed healthy. Do we know what he's really asking for? I've heard speculation that he's looking at around $19 mil and that's too much.

So two second rounders received fully guaranteed deals and the other 30 are all holding out? Not ONE has told his agent F that I am going to camp?

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
So two second rounders received fully guaranteed deals and the other 30 are all holding out? Not ONE has told his agent F that I am going to camp?

Rookies are STRONGLY advised to not get involved in contract negotiations. Like the NFLPA rookie symposium is half about letting their agents negotiate and the other half is about drugs and women :)

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
When they designed the system that slotted draft picks why didn't they include language that would address how much of the salary was guaranteed. Maybe they need to add that in the next agreement.

Maybe, but the agents were complaining about the first round picks already where they were fully guaranteed. The only way to get agents/players to accept it would be if the amounts went up significantly.

So they woukld need to negotiate. It would be better than this BS of players holding out for more guaranteed money when they haven't even played a down. Building a team is hard enough without salary for rookie being an issue. It's getting to the point where money is more important than talent and coaching.

The agents are generally not part of CBA negotiations, and the amount of the contracts are set in the CBA.

Money is respect to the players. They are not really the issue, and certainly not with rookies. The issue is, as usual, the agents.

Agents may not be part of the CBA negotiations directly but they are indirectly. It's agents that guide the players. Agents put the ideas in their head that they're underpaid. Agents want more money for players because it means more for them.

Yes, but my point was that if players are going to accept less flexibility on rookie deals they would want more money and it would have to be in the CBA and that's certainly not a factor on this year. I'm sure agents have ideas of what they want the CBA to be. The thing is the CBA negotiations from the players side is generally all veterans and they don't tend to focus on what rookies might want, and the agents make a lot more money on veterans so their advice will likely be more on 2nd contracts too :)

That's assuming they get a 2nd contract. Many players don't. Jennings had his best season by far last year but that was because they had so many injuries. With Aiyuk out most of the year and CMC out all but one game Jennings saw more action. Pearsall also got off to a slow start because of injuries and Deebo had his worst season. Jennings at least stayed healthy. Do we know what he's really asking for? I've heard speculation that he's looking at around $19 mil and that's too much.

I know that, what I'm saying is that agents want money, so what they want in the CBA is maximum total money for all their clients, and rookies are just as much work for less money so they don't care as much.

Originally posted by braap49er:
Trade this bum. Dude isn't even showing up??

Neither have 30 other 2nd round picks

Also you can't trade someone who's not under contract lol

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
So two second rounders received fully guaranteed deals and the other 30 are all holding out? Not ONE has told his agent F that I am going to camp?

Why would they ? It's 2025, not 1985. Your girl got a girlfriend and your agent has an agent.
Players arent desperate, many got some bread off NIL deals. Its business from start to finish nowadays.

Players dont get scared off or coerced by the whole rah rah, iron fist rule stuff anymore. They know money will come and listen to their agents advise. To me that makes sense, just like listening to your lawyer and not going to talk to the cops even if you did nothing wrong. Its not an adversarial relationship, its just business.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by braap49er:
Trade this bum. Dude isn't even showing up??

Neither have 30 other 2nd round picks

Also you can't trade someone who's not under contract lol

Yea, I know lol. So 30 of the 32 2nd round players haven't even reported to training camp?

Thanks Demeco!