49ers select Alfred Collins-DT-Texas with the 43rd pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Worst Case Scenario is he doesn't sign then throws a fit all off season and season then we lose his rights and he re enters the draft.

Is this possible DRC?
I never heard of such. Or maybe I did and have since forgotten.

It can happen ... I know it's happened in the past in US sports history, but I don't know that it's ever happened in the NFL.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Worst Case Scenario is he doesn't sign then throws a fit all off season and season then we lose his rights and he re enters the draft.

Is this possible DRC?
I never heard of such. Or maybe I did and have since forgotten.

It can happen ... I know it's happened in the past in US sports history, but I don't know that it's ever happened in the NFL.

This is what happened with Bo Jackson. He re-entered the draft and no one else thought to take him because he was in MLB and the Raiders got him in 7th round.

Originally posted by Hangman_52:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Worst Case Scenario is he doesn't sign then throws a fit all off season and season then we lose his rights and he re enters the draft.

Is this possible DRC?
I never heard of such. Or maybe I did and have since forgotten.

It can happen ... I know it's happened in the past in US sports history, but I don't know that it's ever happened in the NFL.

This is what happened with Bo Jackson. He re-entered the draft and no one else thought to take him because he was in MLB and the Raiders got him in 7th round.

That's a little bit of a different situation. Tampa intentionally screwed Bo out of playing his last year of baseball in college and he told them in no uncertain terms that he would NEVER play for them. He was also drafted into the MLB twice. Also the USFL was a possible destination at the time which also muddied the waters. Add to that that Al Davis was a players owner and he let Bo do whatever he wanted including no camp and missing a third of the season because Bo wanted baseball more than football.

What is REALLY amazing about that story is that the Bucs took Bo 2 years after taking Steve Young and watching him sign to play in the USFL and not the NFL, but they maintained his rights because they took him first in the supplemental draft which protects their rights.

Originally posted by Scoots:
That's a little bit of a different situation. Tampa intentionally screwed Bo out of playing his last year of baseball in college and he told them in no uncertain terms that he would NEVER play for them. He was also drafted into the MLB twice. Also the USFL was a possible destination at the time which also muddied the waters. Add to that that Al Davis was a players owner and he let Bo do whatever he wanted including no camp and missing a third of the season because Bo wanted baseball more than football.

What is REALLY amazing about that story is that the Bucs took Bo 2 years after taking Steve Young and watching him sign to play in the USFL and not the NFL, but they maintained his rights because they took him first in the supplemental draft which protects their rights.

Originally posted by Hangman_52:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Worst Case Scenario is he doesn't sign then throws a fit all off season and season then we lose his rights and he re enters the draft.

Is this possible DRC?
I never heard of such. Or maybe I did and have since forgotten.

It can happen ... I know it's happened in the past in US sports history, but I don't know that it's ever happened in the NFL.

This is what happened with Bo Jackson. He re-entered the draft and no one else thought to take him because he was in MLB and the Raiders got him in 7th round.

So I did a little reading up on Bo's career.
He could re-enter because the Bucs forfeited their rights to him.
Thus, SF would have to likewise forfeit its rights to AC. (If that's what the people want, which I don't think they do.)
And he'd have to not play for any(NFL)one all the time leading up to the '26 draft. right?

It's time to sign. Get this deal done. He's an important piece to the puzzle Especially since our defensive line and run defense was so bad last year. We need a huge run clogger and gap plugger. He's perfect for the role. We don't want any missed time. Both sides have to budge a little.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Worst Case Scenario is he doesn't sign then throws a fit all off season and season then we lose his rights and he re enters the draft.

Not gonna happen, 1 or the other will cave, this isn't like Shemar Stewart's issue, where he wants certain language that the Bengals have never used to not be in the contract, yes he can sit out the season, and re-enter the 2026 NFL Draft, but that's unlikely, he'd likely go lower than he did this year, same for Stewart, also if a player re-enters the draft the team who drafted him previously can't draft him again, at least that's the way it was under the old CBA, that may have changed, I know in the MLB Draft teams who fail to sign a 1st rd pick end up getting the 1st back the next draft, and can't draft that player again, happened with Mets & Kumal Rocker, who actually played the 1 yr with an independent team, which happens to play their games at one of my local community colleges, which used to be a low-A MiLB team for the Astros.

But I don't see anyway he doesn't sign, plus he can still participate, he just has to sign a waiver saying the 49ers aren't at fault if he gets hurt, there's the difference between Collins & Shemart Stewart, Stewart never signed that, while Collins did.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's time to sign. Get this deal done. He's an important piece to the puzzle Especially since our defensive line and run defense was so bad last year. We need a huge run clogger and gap plugger. He's perfect for the role. We don't want any missed time. Both sides have to budge a little.

1 side will budge, we saw it with Brandon Aiyuk, Deebo Samuel, Nick Bosa, and so many more players that this regime has signed or extended, my guess is the 49ers cave, depending on if the 44th pick signs for a GTD deal, then you really have to give Collins a fully GTD deal, but the way it's been under this CBA is 2nd rd picks usually get their first 2 yrs GTD, partial GTD in yr 3, and offseason workout bonuses, now it's basically like the 1st rd, they want fully GTD deals, I'm all for it, get every dollar while you can, most draft picks never end up seeing the 3rd year of their deal, let alone a 2nd contract, it's why the draft is a crapshoot.

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by Scoots:
That's a little bit of a different situation. Tampa intentionally screwed Bo out of playing his last year of baseball in college and he told them in no uncertain terms that he would NEVER play for them. He was also drafted into the MLB twice. Also the USFL was a possible destination at the time which also muddied the waters. Add to that that Al Davis was a players owner and he let Bo do whatever he wanted including no camp and missing a third of the season because Bo wanted baseball more than football.

What is REALLY amazing about that story is that the Bucs took Bo 2 years after taking Steve Young and watching him sign to play in the USFL and not the NFL, but they maintained his rights because they took him first in the supplemental draft which protects their rights.

Originally posted by Hangman_52:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Worst Case Scenario is he doesn't sign then throws a fit all off season and season then we lose his rights and he re enters the draft.

Is this possible DRC?
I never heard of such. Or maybe I did and have since forgotten.

It can happen ... I know it's happened in the past in US sports history, but I don't know that it's ever happened in the NFL.

This is what happened with Bo Jackson. He re-entered the draft and no one else thought to take him because he was in MLB and the Raiders got him in 7th round.

So I did a little reading up on Bo's career.
He could re-enter because the Bucs forfeited their rights to him.
Thus, SF would have to likewise forfeit its rights to AC. (If that's what the people want, which I don't think they do.)
And he'd have to not play for any(NFL)one all the time leading up to the '26 draft. right?

I don't actually know. It wouldn't surprise me if the rules have changed since then. They really screwed up taking Bo after they screwed him out of baseball ... they doubled down on the dumb there.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Worst Case Scenario is he doesn't sign then throws a fit all off season and season then we lose his rights and he re enters the draft.

Not gonna happen, 1 or the other will cave, this isn't like Shemar Stewart's issue, where he wants certain language that the Bengals have never used to not be in the contract, yes he can sit out the season, and re-enter the 2026 NFL Draft, but that's unlikely, he'd likely go lower than he did this year, same for Stewart, also if a player re-enters the draft the team who drafted him previously can't draft him again, at least that's the way it was under the old CBA, that may have changed, I know in the MLB Draft teams who fail to sign a 1st rd pick end up getting the 1st back the next draft, and can't draft that player again, happened with Mets & Kumal Rocker, who actually played the 1 yr with an independent team, which happens to play their games at one of my local community colleges, which used to be a low-A MiLB team for the Astros.

But I don't see anyway he doesn't sign, plus he can still participate, he just has to sign a waiver saying the 49ers aren't at fault if he gets hurt, there's the difference between Collins & Shemart Stewart, Stewart never signed that, while Collins did.

I don't think he can participate in training camp without a contract. The waivers are an option for mini-camps and OTAs, don't think it's an option for actual camp.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's time to sign. Get this deal done. He's an important piece to the puzzle Especially since our defensive line and run defense was so bad last year. We need a huge run clogger and gap plugger. He's perfect for the role. We don't want any missed time. Both sides have to budge a little.

1 side will budge, we saw it with Brandon Aiyuk, Deebo Samuel, Nick Bosa, and so many more players that this regime has signed or extended, my guess is the 49ers cave, depending on if the 44th pick signs for a GTD deal, then you really have to give Collins a fully GTD deal, but the way it's been under this CBA is 2nd rd picks usually get their first 2 yrs GTD, partial GTD in yr 3, and offseason workout bonuses, now it's basically like the 1st rd, they want fully GTD deals, I'm all for it, get every dollar while you can, most draft picks never end up seeing the 3rd year of their deal, let alone a 2nd contract, it's why the draft is a crapshoot.

ALL 2nd round picks get guaranteed deals. Signing bonuses are guaranteed, etc. The issue is that the 1st round picks get EVERY DOLLAR guaranteed which is the difference.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's time to sign. Get this deal done. He's an important piece to the puzzle Especially since our defensive line and run defense was so bad last year. We need a huge run clogger and gap plugger. He's perfect for the role. We don't want any missed time. Both sides have to budge a little.

1 side will budge, we saw it with Brandon Aiyuk, Deebo Samuel, Nick Bosa, and so many more players that this regime has signed or extended, my guess is the 49ers cave, depending on if the 44th pick signs for a GTD deal, then you really have to give Collins a fully GTD deal, but the way it's been under this CBA is 2nd rd picks usually get their first 2 yrs GTD, partial GTD in yr 3, and offseason workout bonuses, now it's basically like the 1st rd, they want fully GTD deals, I'm all for it, get every dollar while you can, most draft picks never end up seeing the 3rd year of their deal, let alone a 2nd contract, it's why the draft is a crapshoot.

ALL 2nd round picks get guaranteed deals. Signing bonuses are guaranteed, etc. The issue is that the 1st round picks get EVERY DOLLAR guaranteed which is the difference.

There are stats that show the chance of success for each round. First round picks have about a 71% success rate. 2nd rounder drop to 49%. That's a good reqson no to fully guarantee 2nd round contracts. Maybe they should get about half guaranteed based on those stats. 3rd round picks have a 29% hit rate.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's time to sign. Get this deal done. He's an important piece to the puzzle Especially since our defensive line and run defense was so bad last year. We need a huge run clogger and gap plugger. He's perfect for the role. We don't want any missed time. Both sides have to budge a little.

1 side will budge, we saw it with Brandon Aiyuk, Deebo Samuel, Nick Bosa, and so many more players that this regime has signed or extended, my guess is the 49ers cave, depending on if the 44th pick signs for a GTD deal, then you really have to give Collins a fully GTD deal, but the way it's been under this CBA is 2nd rd picks usually get their first 2 yrs GTD, partial GTD in yr 3, and offseason workout bonuses, now it's basically like the 1st rd, they want fully GTD deals, I'm all for it, get every dollar while you can, most draft picks never end up seeing the 3rd year of their deal, let alone a 2nd contract, it's why the draft is a crapshoot.

ALL 2nd round picks get guaranteed deals. Signing bonuses are guaranteed, etc. The issue is that the 1st round picks get EVERY DOLLAR guaranteed which is the difference.

There are stats that show the chance of success for each round. First round picks have about a 71% success rate. 2nd rounder drop to 49%. That's a good reqson no to fully guarantee 2nd round contracts. Maybe they should get about half guaranteed based on those stats. 3rd round picks have a 29% hit rate.

That's the thing that really bugs me. People are arguing like 2nd round picks are getting screwed or something. Last year's 43rd pick Max Melton was slotted at $8.8M, so that was the MANDATED amount of his contract. He was guaranteed $6.9M ... That's 78% guaranteed on day 1.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's time to sign. Get this deal done. He's an important piece to the puzzle Especially since our defensive line and run defense was so bad last year. We need a huge run clogger and gap plugger. He's perfect for the role. We don't want any missed time. Both sides have to budge a little.

1 side will budge, we saw it with Brandon Aiyuk, Deebo Samuel, Nick Bosa, and so many more players that this regime has signed or extended, my guess is the 49ers cave, depending on if the 44th pick signs for a GTD deal, then you really have to give Collins a fully GTD deal, but the way it's been under this CBA is 2nd rd picks usually get their first 2 yrs GTD, partial GTD in yr 3, and offseason workout bonuses, now it's basically like the 1st rd, they want fully GTD deals, I'm all for it, get every dollar while you can, most draft picks never end up seeing the 3rd year of their deal, let alone a 2nd contract, it's why the draft is a crapshoot.

ALL 2nd round picks get guaranteed deals. Signing bonuses are guaranteed, etc. The issue is that the 1st round picks get EVERY DOLLAR guaranteed which is the difference.

Correct. I think most of us understand the difference between a guaranteed salary vs fully guaranteed contract.

1st round picks have a lot more ammo for getting fully guaranteed deals and it's because of what their salaries used to be before the CBA fixed them...with the stipulation while the deals wouldn't be as crazy they would be fully guaranteed.

2nd round picks were never getting the type of money top 10 picks were getting so there was nothing in place saying 2nd round picks would get FULLY guaranteed deals. Texans and Browns just gave their guys that this year...the rest understandably are waiting to see what happens with the guy drafted after Houston.

That's the hold up unfortunately. I can't blame any 2nd round player waiting to see if Nick Emmanwori gets a fully guaranteed deal. If he does Quinshon Judkins will most certainly ask for that considering Cleveland gave that to Schwesinger drafted only 3 picks ahead of him.

Problem for us is Collins is 9 picks down in the pecking order. Will he cave or will he wait it out?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
It's time to sign. Get this deal done. He's an important piece to the puzzle Especially since our defensive line and run defense was so bad last year. We need a huge run clogger and gap plugger. He's perfect for the role. We don't want any missed time. Both sides have to budge a little.

1 side will budge, we saw it with Brandon Aiyuk, Deebo Samuel, Nick Bosa, and so many more players that this regime has signed or extended, my guess is the 49ers cave, depending on if the 44th pick signs for a GTD deal, then you really have to give Collins a fully GTD deal, but the way it's been under this CBA is 2nd rd picks usually get their first 2 yrs GTD, partial GTD in yr 3, and offseason workout bonuses, now it's basically like the 1st rd, they want fully GTD deals, I'm all for it, get every dollar while you can, most draft picks never end up seeing the 3rd year of their deal, let alone a 2nd contract, it's why the draft is a crapshoot.

ALL 2nd round picks get guaranteed deals. Signing bonuses are guaranteed, etc. The issue is that the 1st round picks get EVERY DOLLAR guaranteed which is the difference.

Correct. I think most of us understand the difference between a guaranteed salary vs fully guaranteed contract.

1st round picks have a lot more ammo for getting fully guaranteed deals and it's because of what their salaries used to be before the CBA fixed them...with the stipulation while the deals wouldn't be as crazy they would be fully guaranteed.

2nd round picks were never getting the type of money top 10 picks were getting so there was nothing in place saying 2nd round picks would get FULLY guaranteed deals. Texans and Browns just gave their guys that this year...the rest understandably are waiting to see what happens with the guy drafted after Houston.

That's the hold up unfortunately. I can't blame any 2nd round player waiting to see if Nick Emmanwori gets a fully guaranteed deal. If he does Quinshon Judkins will most certainly ask for that considering Cleveland gave that to Schwesinger drafted only 3 picks ahead of him.

Problem for us is Collins is 9 picks down in the pecking order. Will he cave or will he wait it out?

I know SOME of us know the difference, but I keep seeing people say "2nd round picks should get guaranteed money tooooooo!" which seems to me that they DON'T know that the majority of their contracts are already going to be guaranteed and that the distinction is essentially 20 cents on the dollar for their rookie contract.

Another thing is that people seem to be putting this on the draft picks when the vast vast vast majority of the blame lands solely on the agents. Early pick rookies are heavily encouraged not to have an opinion about this stuff. :)

It's getting talked about because there is nothing else to talk about, but really it doesn't matter until camps start opening without the players under contract.

Interestingly the first rookie camp opens on July 12th (Chargers) and that ramps up the pressure on them signing Tre Harris ... so that's the first domino to get pressure on it. If he signs not fully guaranteed then the rest of the dominos will start moving.

That said there are 6 teams that have their first day on July 15 including the 49ers, and maybe more importantly the Seahawks. That's the next day to watch for significant movement. Ever day after the 15th someone is either starting rookie camp or training camp proper.

Proper camp starts for most teams on the 22nd. My guess is 90% are signed by the 22nd.

Only 8 more days till rookies report