49ers select Alfred Collins-DT-Texas with the 43rd pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Scoots:
This is not about Collins. The amount of his contract is set, and unless he's a disaster he will get every penny. This isn't him making this happen it's the agents.

It is in our interest as fans for no players to get any guaranteed money with the current hard cap.

Truth.

This isn't just about the player getting more money. The dirty little secret is the fact agents get a percentage of what the player gets. Hence, the agent is working for himself as much as for the player.

That having been said, the agent is entitled to make as much as he can as well. When his players do well, so does he. When they bust, he busts financially also.

Survival of the fittest, in sports.

Even with that, the agent is only going to make any extra money if the player is so bad they don't last 4 years in the NFL.

So, realistically, this is the agents betting against their clients being good enough to stick :)

(keep in mind if they get injured the NFL pays them an injury settlement that the agent doesn't get any money from, but essentially guarantees that the player won't lose money through injury in their first contract)

I think it's more about them adding to their portfolio by being able to say "Look what I got my last client" so they can sell themselves to future clients. No one will turn around and say, well they missed Rookie mini camp and OTA's and some training camp and then started slower.

If the players want to make more money end the salary cap.

Originally posted by dj43:
In a way, that is true. However, in a larger picture, this is the agent putting himself in a position to say, "Look what I just did. I can do something others cannot. Sign with me."

Lots of pieces in play.

Yeah, that's part of being an agent too. It's always more about the show with agents than teams. And since we now only have access journalism we end up with media beholden to the top agents to get these scraps of what is really propaganda.

Originally posted by DASeiler49:
Because he's trying to get his fair wage? Cool man. Go tell your boss to cut your salary by 25% so people like you better.

You know draft picks wages are set BEFORE THEY ARE DRAFTED. There is zero negotiation about the amount they will be paid.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Scoots:
This is not about Collins. The amount of his contract is set, and unless he's a disaster he will get every penny. This isn't him making this happen it's the agents.

It is in our interest as fans for no players to get any guaranteed money with the current hard cap.

Truth.

This isn't just about the player getting more money. The dirty little secret is the fact agents get a percentage of what the player gets. Hence, the agent is working for himself as much as for the player.

That having been said, the agent is entitled to make as much as he can as well. When his players do well, so does he. When they bust, he busts financially also.

Survival of the fittest, in sports.

Even with that, the agent is only going to make any extra money if the player is so bad they don't last 4 years in the NFL.

So, realistically, this is the agents betting against their clients being good enough to stick :)

(keep in mind if they get injured the NFL pays them an injury settlement that the agent doesn't get any money from, but essentially guarantees that the player won't lose money through injury in their first contract)

I think it's more about them adding to their portfolio by being able to say "Look what I got my last client" so they can sell themselves to future clients. No one will turn around and say, well they missed Rookie mini camp and OTA's and some training camp and then started slower.

They don't have to be signed to participate in OTAs.

My point wasn't what message agents were intending to spread, but more that the agent will make less if the player is injury settled out of the NFL while the player will not lose money when that happens. The agent's motivation is more money for themselves now.

They also want to sell their services no doubt, and that's a lot harder for them now that rookie contract amounts are fixed.

Either way I don't think it's an issue worth worrying about right now. The guys are off until training camp. Now if it goes into camp and he's not actually out there practicing then we'll have something to worry about.

Originally posted by genus49:
Either way I don't think it's an issue worth worrying about right now. The guys are off until training camp. Now if it goes into camp and he's not actually out there practicing then we'll have something to worry about.

Yep. It would be GREAT to get all the starters healthy to week 1 (other than Aiyuk and Mustapha).

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If the players want to make more money end the salary cap.

Terrible idea.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If the players want to make more money end the salary cap.

Terrible idea.

ya then there would be the dodgers and yankees of the nfl and that would suck ass

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If the players want to make more money end the salary cap.

Simple enough.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If the players want to make more money end the salary cap.

Terrible idea.

ya then there would be the dodgers and yankees of the nfl and that would suck ass

It would be the only way that the Cowboys would go the distance under Jerry!

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If the players want to make more money end the salary cap.

Terrible idea.

It also wouldn't get the players more money. If there is no cap SOME players would get more money, but most players would get less. Most cap rules end up getting twisted in some way. The NBA's "max contract" rules immediately meant a bunch of mid-grade players agents decided they "deserved" the max deal while the 6 or 7 guys who were worth more than the max couldn't get what they were worth. The NFL set the rookie contract system to get players to sign faster and pay the top few picks less and it worked but contracts are a lot more complex and teams are not allowed to work with players if they want to bet heavily on each other like they used to, and I think it's making player development harder.

I think a couple simple changes would make things better for teams and players. Add more protection to developmental players so teams are more willing and able to invest in their players. Make contracts after 5 years in the NFL only count 80% against the cap so teams could justify keeping veterans on the roster longer. Disallow void years.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If the players want to make more money end the salary cap.

Terrible idea.

It also wouldn't get the players more money. If there is no cap SOME players would get more money, but most players would get less. Most cap rules end up getting twisted in some way. The NBA's "max contract" rules immediately meant a bunch of mid-grade players agents decided they "deserved" the max deal while the 6 or 7 guys who were worth more than the max couldn't get what they were worth. The NFL set the rookie contract system to get players to sign faster and pay the top few picks less and it worked but contracts are a lot more complex and teams are not allowed to work with players if they want to bet heavily on each other like they used to, and I think it's making player development harder.

I think a couple simple changes would make things better for teams and players. Add more protection to developmental players so teams are more willing and able to invest in their players. Make contracts after 5 years in the NFL only count 80% against the cap so teams could justify keeping veterans on the roster longer. Disallow void years.

I don't know if your suggestions would work but at least you're offering ideas. The league and the players union need to sit down and start working on possible changes to the current salary structure. The current system is out of whack and unsutainable in the long run.

I've suggested not counting QB salaries against the cap. QB is the most important position and teams only carry 3 on the roster. Usually just 2 are active on any given week. This would allow teams to sign and hopefully retain quality backups so if they lose their starter the whole season doesn't go down the tubes.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If the players want to make more money end the salary cap.

Terrible idea.

It also wouldn't get the players more money. If there is no cap SOME players would get more money, but most players would get less. Most cap rules end up getting twisted in some way. The NBA's "max contract" rules immediately meant a bunch of mid-grade players agents decided they "deserved" the max deal while the 6 or 7 guys who were worth more than the max couldn't get what they were worth. The NFL set the rookie contract system to get players to sign faster and pay the top few picks less and it worked but contracts are a lot more complex and teams are not allowed to work with players if they want to bet heavily on each other like they used to, and I think it's making player development harder.

I think a couple simple changes would make things better for teams and players. Add more protection to developmental players so teams are more willing and able to invest in their players. Make contracts after 5 years in the NFL only count 80% against the cap so teams could justify keeping veterans on the roster longer. Disallow void years.

I don't know if your suggestions would work but at least you're offering ideas. The league and the players union need to sit down and start working on possible changes to the current salary structure. The current system is out of whack and unsutainable in the long run.

I've suggested not counting QB salaries against the cap. QB is the most important position and teams only carry 3 on the roster. Usually just 2 are active on any given week. This would allow teams to sign and hopefully retain quality backups so if they lose their starter the whole season doesn't go down the tubes.

That doesn't work for me. That would promote rich teams wildly overpaying to keep a backup QB who could start on several teams. There has to be some limit, I just think the current system is warped unfortunately.

Of course, as far as Collins deal is concerned it's kind of all on Seattle right now since if they give a fully guaranteed deal it leans the rest of the 2nd round picks toward getting fully guaranteed deals too, but if Seattle doesn't give out a fully guaranteed deal then the rest of the picks probably sign basically instantly.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
If the players want to make more money end the salary cap.

Terrible idea.

It also wouldn't get the players more money. If there is no cap SOME players would get more money, but most players would get less. Most cap rules end up getting twisted in some way. The NBA's "max contract" rules immediately meant a bunch of mid-grade players agents decided they "deserved" the max deal while the 6 or 7 guys who were worth more than the max couldn't get what they were worth. The NFL set the rookie contract system to get players to sign faster and pay the top few picks less and it worked but contracts are a lot more complex and teams are not allowed to work with players if they want to bet heavily on each other like they used to, and I think it's making player development harder.

I think a couple simple changes would make things better for teams and players. Add more protection to developmental players so teams are more willing and able to invest in their players. Make contracts after 5 years in the NFL only count 80% against the cap so teams could justify keeping veterans on the roster longer. Disallow void years.

I don't know if your suggestions would work but at least you're offering ideas. The league and the players union need to sit down and start working on possible changes to the current salary structure. The current system is out of whack and unsutainable in the long run.

I've suggested not counting QB salaries against the cap. QB is the most important position and teams only carry 3 on the roster. Usually just 2 are active on any given week. This would allow teams to sign and hopefully retain quality backups so if they lose their starter the whole season doesn't go down the tubes.

That doesn't work for me. That would promote rich teams wildly overpaying to keep a backup QB who could start on several teams. There has to be some limit, I just think the current system is warped unfortunately.

Of course, as far as Collins deal is concerned it's kind of all on Seattle right now since if they give a fully guaranteed deal it leans the rest of the 2nd round picks toward getting fully guaranteed deals too, but if Seattle doesn't give out a fully guaranteed deal then the rest of the picks probably sign basically instantly.

Eddie D showed us this.