49ers select Alfred Collins-DT-Texas with the 43rd pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TopDogBerkeley:
As far as I can tell, he is the only draft pick who has not signed his contract.

With the 49ers...

Still no 2nd round pick outside of the first 2 have been signed. 4

Yep. I think CJ West was the last one so far to sign, leaving just Collins. Which is a shame.

So what exactly is going on this year with 2nd round picks not signing? They just want more guaranteed money? I don't remember seeing a sit out from 2nd rounders before, how did they all decide to just do it this year?

Because for the first time ever Round 2 Pick 1 got a fully guaranteed contract

Round 2 Pick 2 asked for the same and got it

So guess what everyone after is doing...

So pick 33 was Cleveland. I swear, Cleveland and their contracts...

Cleveland is a major reason why QBs get majority guaranteed contracts too (give a hand to Watson everyone)

Bad teams screw up the entire league by setting bad precedent

*although I should clarify i believe all nfl contracts should be fully guaranteed and injuries should offset the cap hits

I'm pretty sure the Vikings were the ones who set that bad precedent with every Kirk Cousins contract being fully guaranteed.

Originally posted by Ottawa49er:
I really hope that the remaining 30 teams all stick together and do NOT give guaranteed money contracts to their 2nd round players. Anyone following a trend set by the Browns is crazy. It's a waiting game....who will blink first? For players opting to not sign in 2025....would the team own their rights for next year....and if they sit out this year then would they still have to play for the team that drafted them 4 full years even if they skip this year? Or are they eligible to re-enter the draft again next April?

They'd be eligible to re-enter the draft next April.

Originally posted by TopDogBerkeley:
"...the rookie pay scale doesn't guarantee a prospect will sign his contract. No one can force a player to do so. In theory, a rookie could refuse to sign, sit out the entire season, and re-enter the draft the following year. When an NFL team drafts a player, they don't retain the rights to that player indefinitely. The onus is not exclusively on the player — it's on the franchise as well. Both sides must come to an agreement. If they cannot do so, a team's rights to a player expire when the new league year begins, allowing that player to return to the draft player pool."

It would be a risky move to sit out and re-enter the draft. More than likely the player will be re-drafted at a lower slot as teams fear difficult contract negotiations. Also, it will add calendar time to getting to that second contract, so teams seem to have leverage.

Not to mention a full year of no football. No team meetings, no interacting with professional peers, no coaching, no adjustment to the pro game at all. That's such a big deal that it'd drop a prospect by at least a round and maybe more in some cases, at least imo.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TopDogBerkeley:
As far as I can tell, he is the only draft pick who has not signed his contract.

With the 49ers...

Still no 2nd round pick outside of the first 2 have been signed. 4

Yep. I think CJ West was the last one so far to sign, leaving just Collins. Which is a shame.

So what exactly is going on this year with 2nd round picks not signing? They just want more guaranteed money? I don't remember seeing a sit out from 2nd rounders before, how did they all decide to just do it this year?

Because for the first time ever Round 2 Pick 1 got a fully guaranteed contract

Round 2 Pick 2 asked for the same and got it

So guess what everyone after is doing...

Other way around. Pick 2 got it first, then pick 1 of course got it.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TopDogBerkeley:
As far as I can tell, he is the only draft pick who has not signed his contract.

With the 49ers...

Still no 2nd round pick outside of the first 2 have been signed. 4

Yep. I think CJ West was the last one so far to sign, leaving just Collins. Which is a shame.

So what exactly is going on this year with 2nd round picks not signing? They just want more guaranteed money? I don't remember seeing a sit out from 2nd rounders before, how did they all decide to just do it this year?

Because for the first time ever Round 2 Pick 1 got a fully guaranteed contract

Round 2 Pick 2 asked for the same and got it

So guess what everyone after is doing...

So pick 33 was Cleveland. I swear, Cleveland and their contracts...

Cleveland is a major reason why QBs get majority guaranteed contracts too (give a hand to Watson everyone)

Bad teams screw up the entire league by setting bad precedent

*although I should clarify i believe all nfl contracts should be fully guaranteed and injuries should offset the cap hits

If all of them were guaranteed it would mean the cap would evaporate a HUGE amount of money as hundreds of players are cut every year before the first week, and the vast majority of contracts would be 1 year contracts and it would significantly shorten careers. It would also make the product worse because there would be less roster continuity.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TopDogBerkeley:
As far as I can tell, he is the only draft pick who has not signed his contract.

With the 49ers...

Still no 2nd round pick outside of the first 2 have been signed. 4

Yep. I think CJ West was the last one so far to sign, leaving just Collins. Which is a shame.

So what exactly is going on this year with 2nd round picks not signing? They just want more guaranteed money? I don't remember seeing a sit out from 2nd rounders before, how did they all decide to just do it this year?

Because for the first time ever Round 2 Pick 1 got a fully guaranteed contract

Round 2 Pick 2 asked for the same and got it

So guess what everyone after is doing...

So pick 33 was Cleveland. I swear, Cleveland and their contracts...

Cleveland is a major reason why QBs get majority guaranteed contracts too (give a hand to Watson everyone)

Bad teams screw up the entire league by setting bad precedent

*although I should clarify i believe all nfl contracts should be fully guaranteed and injuries should offset the cap hits

If all of them were guaranteed it would mean the cap would evaporate a HUGE amount of money as hundreds of players are cut every year before the first week, and the vast majority of contracts would be 1 year contracts and it would significantly shorten careers. It would also make the product worse because there would be less roster continuity.

Camp bodies would not be a problem bc they wouldn't be counted

Only the top 51 salaries count against the cap

Fun fact...Brock Purdy was a starting QB and he didnt count as one of our top 51 salaries.

Also...every other Sports league has guaranteed contracts. The NFL needs to take better care of their players.

The league is trending towards larger and larger guarantees on its own bc of the Cousins and Watson contracts.

QBs will likely be the first group to have 100% guaranteed deals if things keep going.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TopDogBerkeley:
As far as I can tell, he is the only draft pick who has not signed his contract.

With the 49ers...

Still no 2nd round pick outside of the first 2 have been signed. 4

Yep. I think CJ West was the last one so far to sign, leaving just Collins. Which is a shame.

So what exactly is going on this year with 2nd round picks not signing? They just want more guaranteed money? I don't remember seeing a sit out from 2nd rounders before, how did they all decide to just do it this year?

Because for the first time ever Round 2 Pick 1 got a fully guaranteed contract

Round 2 Pick 2 asked for the same and got it

So guess what everyone after is doing...

So pick 33 was Cleveland. I swear, Cleveland and their contracts...

Cleveland is a major reason why QBs get majority guaranteed contracts too (give a hand to Watson everyone)

Bad teams screw up the entire league by setting bad precedent

*although I should clarify i believe all nfl contracts should be fully guaranteed and injuries should offset the cap hits

If all of them were guaranteed it would mean the cap would evaporate a HUGE amount of money as hundreds of players are cut every year before the first week, and the vast majority of contracts would be 1 year contracts and it would significantly shorten careers. It would also make the product worse because there would be less roster continuity.

Camp bodies would not be a problem bc they wouldn't be counted

Only the top 51 salaries count against the cap

Fun fact...Brock Purdy was a starting QB and he didnt count as one of our top 51 salaries.

Also...every other Sports league has guaranteed contracts. The NFL needs to take better care of their players.

The league is trending towards larger and larger guarantees on its own bc of the Cousins and Watson contracts.

QBs will likely be the first group to have 100% guaranteed deals if things keep going.

Other leagues don't have as many injuries as NFL players. Most don't have a salary cap either. Those 2 things make complete guartantees a major issue. If they start giving guarantees to 2nd rounders then every player is going to want a guarantee. That's how it works with salaries. Oh he got one so why not me. You can't afford to have a lot of guaranteed money sitting on the bench every year.

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by miked1978:
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Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TopDogBerkeley:
As far as I can tell, he is the only draft pick who has not signed his contract.

With the 49ers...

Still no 2nd round pick outside of the first 2 have been signed. 4

Yep. I think CJ West was the last one so far to sign, leaving just Collins. Which is a shame.

So what exactly is going on this year with 2nd round picks not signing? They just want more guaranteed money? I don't remember seeing a sit out from 2nd rounders before, how did they all decide to just do it this year?

Because for the first time ever Round 2 Pick 1 got a fully guaranteed contract

Round 2 Pick 2 asked for the same and got it

So guess what everyone after is doing...

So pick 33 was Cleveland. I swear, Cleveland and their contracts...

Cleveland is a major reason why QBs get majority guaranteed contracts too (give a hand to Watson everyone)

Bad teams screw up the entire league by setting bad precedent

*although I should clarify i believe all nfl contracts should be fully guaranteed and injuries should offset the cap hits

If all of them were guaranteed it would mean the cap would evaporate a HUGE amount of money as hundreds of players are cut every year before the first week, and the vast majority of contracts would be 1 year contracts and it would significantly shorten careers. It would also make the product worse because there would be less roster continuity.

Camp bodies would not be a problem bc they wouldn't be counted

Only the top 51 salaries count against the cap

Fun fact...Brock Purdy was a starting QB and he didnt count as one of our top 51 salaries.

Also...every other Sports league has guaranteed contracts. The NFL needs to take better care of their players.

The league is trending towards larger and larger guarantees on its own bc of the Cousins and Watson contracts.

QBs will likely be the first group to have 100% guaranteed deals if things keep going.

What league has a hard cap and guarantees all contracts?

Camp bodies with guaranteed contracts would still cost the team money, I didn't say "cap money". That will lead to the team taking a lot fewer risks. Just to clarify, you are saying every team had to hand out 90 guaranteed contracts every year. Do you think owners will like throwing away $30M a year?

Why hasn't Collins signed yet?

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Why hasn't Collins signed yet?

Only 2 2nd rd picks have signed so far, the first 2 picks got fully GTD deals, which has never happened before, as only the 1st rd picks usually get fully GTD deals, but CLE & HOU gave the 33rd & 34th overall picks fully GTD deals, so he likely wants that too, or his agent does, since 30 2nd rd picks remain unsigned.

There are a few issues with fully guaranteed rookie contracts.

1. You realise the player sucks after a year, rare in the 2nd round (Jaylin Polk looking at you). They'd normally get another year to make sure, then they'd be cut. Fully guaranteed and you keep paying them, offset and their next team pay the contract, not guaranteed they'd need to negotiate a deal.

2. The owner has to put the up into a bank account, which shouldn't be an issue for most of them.

3. Severe injury, most would get some sort of payment in the terms of their deal and the team some cap relief, fully guaranteed and they get it all.

Players are pushing for it due to point 3. Owners against due to point 2. They should be able to figure it out in the injury contract language. Just fully guaranteeing it is insane.

My solution to the above is to fully guarantee the first 2 years. The 3rd (and maybe 4th if I had to) would have an injury guarantee and be offset. To the players, unless they suck so bad another team wouldn't give them a chance at around what $3-4m would still get all of their money, and the owners wouldn't have to put it all up. Everyone is happy.

It's actually around 2.5m per year which shouldn't be the big deal that the teams are making it out to be.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
There are a few issues with fully guaranteed rookie contracts.

1. You realise the player sucks after a year, rare in the 2nd round (Jaylin Polk looking at you). They'd normally get another year to make sure, then they'd be cut. Fully guaranteed and you keep paying them, offset and their next team pay the contract, not guaranteed they'd need to negotiate a deal.

2. The owner has to put the up into a bank account, which shouldn't be an issue for most of them.

3. Severe injury, most would get some sort of payment in the terms of their deal and the team some cap relief, fully guaranteed and they get it all.

Players are pushing for it due to point 3. Owners against due to point 2. They should be able to figure it out in the injury contract language. Just fully guaranteeing it is insane.

They should be able to cover it in larger signing bonuses too.

The CBA really does need to be adjusted. I don't think there is another major sports league with a hard cap and the contract and money handling standards like that of the NFL. If they made exemptions for the cap for traded, cut, or injured players it would go a long way to fixing things.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
It's actually around 2.5m per year which shouldn't be the big deal that the teams are making it out to be.

If I'm thinking on the owner side where does it stop? Are we going to be guaranteeing all 11 picks eventually? It adds up if you are doing it every year, particularly when you consider about half of all draft picks are significant failures (fewer than 5 career starts for their drafting team), and the average career is less than 4 years.

My guess is there is only 1 team making this hold out happen at this point and that's the Seahawks. When they sign the first of their 2nd round picks, if it's to a non-fully guaranteed deal, the rest will sign quickly.

And to be clear, partially guaranteed deals are not uncommon so people saying they should just have injury exceptions or whatever are missing the point. What they want is FULLY guaranteed money, which, until this year, has been a thing only for first round picks.