49ers select Mykel Williams-DE-Georgia with the 11th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by jcs:
I mean we can go espn and it looks even worse for him. He wasn't a great rookie but he wasn't bad either. The knee injury unfortunately makes his rookie year inconclusive. It also puts question marks on his potential development simply because he won't be able to train on it 100% for a while. The fact that we're looking for another pass rush DE in FA and the Draft the following year also doesn't make this high draft pick look all that great.

I just want to make sure we're consistent with the data we toss out, half the time everyone s**ts on PFF or only uses it for confirmation bias. If you're gonna use it to judge if a player is good…then you better be using it all the time.

Nah he was never drafted to be that 3 down DE….He's the big end (5T) on base downs who moves to the 3T role on passing downs. He's not a true blue edge defender, thats why they brought in Huff. Thats why they need another actually pass rusher.

run downs this is what he's suppose to do


passing downs this is his job


he's our f**k up playsLOS DL. He's not Justin smith or anything, but that's kinda his roll. He does the dirty work.

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Originally posted by jcs:
Carter was also 11th in pressures (66) and 11th in QB Hurries (43) in the league. 4 Sacks wasn't great but he also suffered from disciplinary issues around maturity for the Giants last year and a PFF grade of 74.7 good for 29th of 115 ranked edge players. Williams earned a PFF rating of 53.9 that made him the 101 of 115 ranked edge players. He actually underperformed based on his draft position before his season ending knee injury that is going to have an impact on his development.

Maxx Crosby was ranked 97th in pass rush grade his 2nd year in the league.
Josh Sweat was ranked 100th
Danielle Hunter was ranked 60th
Benito Jones was ranked 50th

Why are we judging a rookie who only played like 10 games?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
I mean we can go espn and it looks even worse for him. He wasn't a great rookie but he wasn't bad either. The knee injury unfortunately makes his rookie year inconclusive. It also puts question marks on his potential development simply because he won't be able to train on it 100% for a while. The fact that we're looking for another pass rush DE in FA and the Draft the following year also doesn't make this high draft pick look all that great.

I just want to make sure we're consistent with the data we toss out, half the time everyone s**ts on PFF or only uses it for confirmation bias. If you're gonna use it to judge if a player is good…then you better be using it all the time.

Nah he was never drafted to be that 3 down DE….He's the big end (5T) on base downs who moves to the 3T role on passing downs. He's not a true blue edge defender, thats why they brought in Huff. Thats why they need another actually pass rusher.

run downs this is what he's suppose to do

Mykel Williams (#98) controls the TE with one arm and gets the TFL pic.twitter.com/srE20OoM1o

— Nate Tice (@Nate_Tice) September 15, 2025

passing downs this is his job

Can't wait to see what a healthy Nick Bosa & Mykel Williams do together in a full season 🔥

🎥: @dlinevids1 pic.twitter.com/s3o0IWd9xw

— Sleeper49ers (@SleeperSF49ers) February 7, 2026

he's our f**k up playsLOS DL. He's not Justin smith or anything, but that's kinda his roll. He does the dirty work.

When he got hurt, that was the last straw. We were doing OK without Bosa, because we could still stop the run and get some pressure here and there. I don't think some realize how good he was for our run d.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
Carter was also 11th in pressures (66) and 11th in QB Hurries (43) in the league. 4 Sacks wasn't great but he also suffered from disciplinary issues around maturity for the Giants last year and a PFF grade of 74.7 good for 29th of 115 ranked edge players. Williams earned a PFF rating of 53.9 that made him the 101 of 115 ranked edge players. He actually underperformed based on his draft position before his season ending knee injury that is going to have an impact on his development.

Okay so we can use PFF for everything? I just want to make sure that's where we're at in regards to proving who's good and who's not

I mean we can go espn and it looks even worse for him. He wasn't a great rookie but he wasn't bad either. The knee injury unfortunately makes his rookie year inconclusive. It also puts question marks on his potential development simply because he won't be able to train on it 100% for a while. The fact that we're looking for another pass rush DE in FA and the Draft the following year also doesn't make this high draft pick look all that great.

We should really always be looking for pass rush help. Seattle didn't miss a beat with guys coming and going at edge. Few guys in the NFL play 90+ snaps. And a lot of teams rotate players to keep them fresh.

Until we can find a dominant pass rushing 3T Mykel is the best inside rusher we have which means with him and Bosa we need 2 other guys at minimum out there to rush the passer.

Assuming Bryce Huff isn't cut he gives us a solid rusher but who else is there? Sam O is solid but not someone you want out there on obvious pass rush downs if you can help it.

Not to mention the more pass rushers we have outside of Nick gives us the opportunity to move on from Nick and not look like we did last season. Not that it's something I want to happen anytime soon but something you have to stay ahead of - guys pricing themselves out or aging out.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
I mean we can go espn and it looks even worse for him. He wasn't a great rookie but he wasn't bad either. The knee injury unfortunately makes his rookie year inconclusive. It also puts question marks on his potential development simply because he won't be able to train on it 100% for a while. The fact that we're looking for another pass rush DE in FA and the Draft the following year also doesn't make this high draft pick look all that great.

I just want to make sure we're consistent with the data we toss out, half the time everyone s**ts on PFF or only uses it for confirmation bias. If you're gonna use it to judge if a player is good…then you better be using it all the time.

Nah he was never drafted to be that 3 down DE….He's the big end (5T) on base downs who moves to the 3T role on passing downs. He's not a true blue edge defender, thats why they brought in Huff. Thats why they need another actually pass rusher.

run downs this is what he's suppose to do

Mykel Williams (#98) controls the TE with one arm and gets the TFL pic.twitter.com/srE20OoM1o

— Nate Tice (@Nate_Tice) September 15, 2025

passing downs this is his job

Can't wait to see what a healthy Nick Bosa & Mykel Williams do together in a full season 🔥

🎥: @dlinevids1 pic.twitter.com/s3o0IWd9xw

— Sleeper49ers (@SleeperSF49ers) February 7, 2026

he's our f**k up playsLOS DL. He's not Justin smith or anything, but that's kinda his roll. He does the dirty work.

When he got hurt, that was the last straw. We were doing OK without Bosa, because we could still stop the run and get some pressure here and there. I don't think some realize how good he was for our run d.

It wasn't just the run too. Just harder to quantify the pass rush but before Mykel's injury Bryce Huff had all of his sacks and 22 pressures in 7 games(he missed Houston and Giants games) even if you took out the Bosa games it would be 13 pressures in 5 games and 2 sacks(3 sacks really since the one in the Cardinals game came after Nick went out)

After he came back in the 10 games that followed he had 24 pressures and 0 sacks.

Him not being out there just hurt the defense in general. Guys like Huff had to be what they're really not. And the pass rushers had less one on one opportunities as a result.

Originally posted by genus49:
We should really always be looking for pass rush help. Seattle didn't miss a beat with guys coming and going at edge. Few guys in the NFL play 90+ snaps. And a lot of teams rotate players to keep them fresh.

Until we can find a dominant pass rushing 3T Mykel is the best inside rusher we have which means with him and Bosa we need 2 other guys at minimum out there to rush the passer.

Assuming Bryce Huff isn't cut he gives us a solid rusher but who else is there? Sam O is solid but not someone you want out there on obvious pass rush downs if you can help it.

Not to mention the more pass rushers we have outside of Nick gives us the opportunity to move on from Nick and not look like we did last season. Not that it's something I want to happen anytime soon but something you have to stay ahead of - guys pricing themselves out or aging out.

Can't imagine they cut Huff, I think his cap hit is like $5M

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
We should really always be looking for pass rush help. Seattle didn't miss a beat with guys coming and going at edge. Few guys in the NFL play 90+ snaps. And a lot of teams rotate players to keep them fresh.

Until we can find a dominant pass rushing 3T Mykel is the best inside rusher we have which means with him and Bosa we need 2 other guys at minimum out there to rush the passer.

Assuming Bryce Huff isn't cut he gives us a solid rusher but who else is there? Sam O is solid but not someone you want out there on obvious pass rush downs if you can help it.

Not to mention the more pass rushers we have outside of Nick gives us the opportunity to move on from Nick and not look like we did last season. Not that it's something I want to happen anytime soon but something you have to stay ahead of - guys pricing themselves out or aging out.

Can't imagine they cut Huff, I think his cap hit is like $5M

Yeah to be honest i didn't even bother double checking. We need pass rush whether he's here or not. Less so with him here but I want guys who can cause havoc regardless of who is getting a breather on the sidelines.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Not to say this is the comp but I think of a guy like Richard Seymour, who dominated inside and outside but never had great sack numbers. Granted he's a larger, DT type, but I get the feel that people see DE and if he isnt droppinh 10+ sacks its a waste. Arik Armstead was a great player for us abd he literally only had one season where he got to 10, playing 6 of his 9 seasons mostky outside. I don't see Mykel becoming different than what he is, but I can see a more dominant version. Destroying the run game, blowing OL back into the quarterback and applying constant pressure from multiple positions. Outside of Tyler Warren, I can't see another logical pick given talent and what our needs were and available talent.

I see people keep bringing up Armstead but he was hated here. Called a bust first few years then had a breakout contract year. People loved him. Then we traded Defo and people hated him again because he wasn't Defo.

So we are constantly comping him to a guy who wasn't exactly loved here. For the exact same reason I state for Williams.

Though I will point out the irony that I was one of the few who defended AA and his contributions outside of the sack numbers.

I felt AA was raw but given time, could do well. He finally showed something in 2018- becoming a dominant run defender. But yes it took awhile for many to like AA, but it was deserved. I did however support the Buckner trade. Their mistake was what was done with the pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
I mean we can go espn and it looks even worse for him. He wasn't a great rookie but he wasn't bad either. The knee injury unfortunately makes his rookie year inconclusive. It also puts question marks on his potential development simply because he won't be able to train on it 100% for a while. The fact that we're looking for another pass rush DE in FA and the Draft the following year also doesn't make this high draft pick look all that great.

I just want to make sure we're consistent with the data we toss out, half the time everyone s**ts on PFF or only uses it for confirmation bias. If you're gonna use it to judge if a player is good…then you better be using it all the time.

Nah he was never drafted to be that 3 down DE….He's the big end (5T) on base downs who moves to the 3T role on passing downs. He's not a true blue edge defender, thats why they brought in Huff. Thats why they need another actually pass rusher.

run downs this is what he's suppose to do

Mykel Williams (#98) controls the TE with one arm and gets the TFL pic.twitter.com/srE20OoM1o

— Nate Tice (@Nate_Tice) September 15, 2025

passing downs this is his job

Can't wait to see what a healthy Nick Bosa & Mykel Williams do together in a full season 🔥

🎥: @dlinevids1 pic.twitter.com/s3o0IWd9xw

— Sleeper49ers (@SleeperSF49ers) February 7, 2026

he's our f**k up playsLOS DL. He's not Justin smith or anything, but that's kinda his roll. He does the dirty work.

Cant wait to see him with a healthy defense & more aggressive defense from New DC Morris

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I actually wanted Derrick Harmon at 11 but was Ok with Mykel. I knew he wasn't going to rush the passer as a rookie but he did some good things. I was hoping Mykel was going to have a Travon Walker learning curve. Play stout run D as a rookie and get 10 sacks in year two. The knee injury sets him back though

I still think Harmon will be the better pro and we still desperately need a 3T but I understand the Mykel pick.

I think I'm my final mock I had Derrick Harmon at 1.11 and Nic Scourton at 2.43. Those two or even Donovan Ezeiruaku at 2.43 would have been better picks than Mykel and Alfred Collins.

I like Harmon as well. Injuries dropped him and I think he dealt with them all this past season as well. Nolen was my guy, same s**t got hurt but looked pretty damn good when out there.

As far as Scourton and Ezeiruaku go. They were basically ghosts this past season…not sure how you can say they're better?

Also if I remember correctly, at one point you wanted Collins lol? I was against him in the 2nd, end of the day he played about as well as I thought he would. He will have a roll on a team for a while, don't think he's gonna be some top end DT though.

overall that draft (and this upcoming one) isn't chalk full of elite level talent. Good players and some solid depth.

Nic Scourton had a 68.1 PFF grade with 23 tackles, 8 sacks and 34 pressures and over 700 snaps. Dude was one of the better rookies in the league last year. Not sure what you were watching. He would have been a 10x better pick and we could have had him a round later.

Donovan Ezeiruaku had a 73.1 PFF grade with 29 tackles, 2 sacks and 36 pressures over 600 snaps. He would have also been a better pick and again, one round later.

For comparison Mykel Williams had a 53.9 PFF grade with 13 tackles, 1 sack and 19 pressures over 385 snaps. Even if Mykel had 600-700 snaps he wouldn't have had better numbers than those two.

Simple fact is we reached on Mykel for need and passed on better players. It's what this regime does every single year.

I like Mykel but he was a reach at 1.11 and probably will never have the pass rush impact that a player picked that high needs to have. We can find a two down edge setter in rounds 4 or 5 easily.

Hindsite is 20/20 but we can go back to every single draft this regime had and say there was 5-10 players who were probably better selections but this front office gets locked in on taking a player for need instead of taking the BPA.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Nic Scourton had a 68.1 PFF grade with 23 tackles, 8 sacks and 34 pressures and over 700 snaps. Dude was one of the better rookies in the league last year. Not sure what you were watching. He would have been a 10x better pick and we could have had him a round later.

Donovan Ezeiruaku had a 73.1 PFF grade with 29 tackles, 2 sacks and 36 pressures over 600 snaps. He would have also been a better pick and again, one round later.

For comparison Mykel Williams had a 53.9 PFF grade with 13 tackles, 1 sack and 19 pressures over 385 snaps. Even if Mykel had 600-700 snaps he wouldn't have had better numbers than those two.

Simple fact is we reached on Mykel for need and passed on better players. It's what this regime does every single year.

I like Mykel but he was a reach at 1.11 and probably will never have the pass rush impact that a player picked that high needs to have. We can find a two down edge setter in rounds 4 or 5 easily.

Hindsite is 20/20 but we can go back to every single draft this regime had and say there was 5-10 players who were probably better selections but this front office gets locked in on taking a player for need instead of taking the BPA.

Sorry saw the wrong stat on Nic Scourton, per pro-football reference he had 5 sacks this season.

Ezeiruaku was part of one of the worst defenses in the league this yr, kid wasn't anything special imo. It was also his first yr. Same s**t with Mike green…everyone had a hard on for him. Ghost in Baltimore.

again I want to make sure you use PFF stats consistently…not just for confirmation bias. Folks LOVE doing that. So let's please be consistent if we're going down that road. PFF has Brendel as a top 10 center and anyone with 2 eyes could see Williams most certainly didn't suck vs the run.

You're lacking context with all of it. Mykel was not meant to be a full time outside rusher….he was forced to do that when Bosa got hurt. He played out of position (on passing downs) for the majority of his time based on need. I think folks are kinda not understanding this.

Williams was not a reach, consistently going in the top 15 as the draft got closer. If you want to comparing those other 2 talk about Collins….I wasn't a fan (at that pick). Again both guys have massive upside and simply need more reps to improve.

you can literally go back and do the same for every single team. BPA isn't always BPA after a couple yrs.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I felt AA was raw but given time, could do well. He finally showed something in 2018- becoming a dominant run defender. But yes it took awhile for many to like AA, but it was deserved. I did however support the Buckner trade. Their mistake was what was done with the pick.

My thoughts exactly

i hope we do look at another EDGE early in the draft but that isnt about Williams. It is about creatiung a strong rotation so you arent depending on Bosa and Williams to play every play getting a rotation gives players rest keeps them fresh and increases the chance of everyone staying healthy. Also allows more creative blitz packages

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Nic Scourton had a 68.1 PFF grade with 23 tackles, 8 sacks and 34 pressures and over 700 snaps. Dude was one of the better rookies in the league last year. Not sure what you were watching. He would have been a 10x better pick and we could have had him a round later.

Donovan Ezeiruaku had a 73.1 PFF grade with 29 tackles, 2 sacks and 36 pressures over 600 snaps. He would have also been a better pick and again, one round later.

For comparison Mykel Williams had a 53.9 PFF grade with 13 tackles, 1 sack and 19 pressures over 385 snaps. Even if Mykel had 600-700 snaps he wouldn't have had better numbers than those two.

Simple fact is we reached on Mykel for need and passed on better players. It's what this regime does every single year.

I like Mykel but he was a reach at 1.11 and probably will never have the pass rush impact that a player picked that high needs to have. We can find a two down edge setter in rounds 4 or 5 easily.

Hindsite is 20/20 but we can go back to every single draft this regime had and say there was 5-10 players who were probably better selections but this front office gets locked in on taking a player for need instead of taking the BPA.

Nic Scourton had 5 sacks on the season(PFF doesn't do .5 sacks) and he had 2 of them through 9 weeks on the season. Got 1.5 in a game vs the Jets where he split a sack on a busted play - OL run blocked while Fields didn't hand the ball off and had to eat a "sack" when OL didn't actually block guys from rushing. The other was a sack Tyrod Taylor ran into after Scourton got stonewalled by the OT.

Through 9 games Scourton had 15 pressures.

Ezeirauku is a speed rusher. He finished the season with 2 sacks. To be fair to him he got both by week 9. He had 22 pressures through those 9 weeks.

Also Mykel played 40 snaps inside at DT with most coming in pass rush situations. Scourton played 4 all year long...Ezeirauku actually had more with 11 all year.

You bringing up the snap counts also doesn't hurt Mykel's performance. Easier to make impact plays when you're getting less snaps and not having to deal with as many doubles and the dirty work that Mykel had to handle.

Mykel wasn't drafted for his rookie season. He's not the first guy to not come out of the gate with all pro numbers and he won't be the last.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Nic Scourton had a 68.1 PFF grade with 23 tackles, 8 sacks and 34 pressures and over 700 snaps. Dude was one of the better rookies in the league last year. Not sure what you were watching. He would have been a 10x better pick and we could have had him a round later.

Donovan Ezeiruaku had a 73.1 PFF grade with 29 tackles, 2 sacks and 36 pressures over 600 snaps. He would have also been a better pick and again, one round later.

For comparison Mykel Williams had a 53.9 PFF grade with 13 tackles, 1 sack and 19 pressures over 385 snaps. Even if Mykel had 600-700 snaps he wouldn't have had better numbers than those two.

Simple fact is we reached on Mykel for need and passed on better players. It's what this regime does every single year.

I like Mykel but he was a reach at 1.11 and probably will never have the pass rush impact that a player picked that high needs to have. We can find a two down edge setter in rounds 4 or 5 easily.

Hindsite is 20/20 but we can go back to every single draft this regime had and say there was 5-10 players who were probably better selections but this front office gets locked in on taking a player for need instead of taking the BPA.

Nic Scourton had 5 sacks on the season(PFF doesn't do .5 sacks) and he had 2 of them through 9 weeks on the season. Got 1.5 in a game vs the Jets where he split a sack on a busted play - OL run blocked while Fields didn't hand the ball off and had to eat a "sack" when OL didn't actually block guys from rushing. The other was a sack Tyrod Taylor ran into after Scourton got stonewalled by the OT.

Through 9 games Scourton had 15 pressures.

Ezeirauku is a speed rusher. He finished the season with 2 sacks. To be fair to him he got both by week 9. He had 22 pressures through those 9 weeks.

Also Mykel played 40 snaps inside at DT with most coming in pass rush situations. Scourton played 4 all year long...Ezeirauku actually had more with 11 all year.

You bringing up the snap counts also doesn't hurt Mykel's performance. Easier to make impact plays when you're getting less snaps and not having to deal with as many doubles and the dirty work that Mykel had to handle.

Mykel wasn't drafted for his rookie season. He's not the first guy to not come out of the gate with all pro numbers and he won't be the last.

Wasn't williams towards the tops of the league in getting doubled as well?