49ers select Mykel Williams-DE-Georgia with the 11th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
It's crazy to me how so called smart football fans don't know his value. Our run D was night and day bad after he got injured. I mean…look how we defended the run first rams game to the second or first Seattle game vs the later matchups. This of course is on top of the other defensive injuries but the point still stands. Having a guy like him there that can eat double teams opens things up for your LBs and your other D lineman

The argument isn't his worth as a run defender. The argument is you can find run defenders at picks that are far less valuable than pick #11

he had half a rookie year at age 21 and was already a top run defender in the NFL instead of us saying he isnt worth the pick yet why not let him play and develop that ius what the draft is about very few players are superstars in there rookie year and take time

Abdul Carter was regarded as one of the only "blue chip" guys in this past draft. He had a whopping 4 sacks in 17 games and that's with a ton of talent around him on that DL. I guess he's a finished product too.

Carter was also 11th in pressures (66) and 11th in QB Hurries (43) in the league. 4 Sacks wasn't great but he also suffered from disciplinary issues around maturity for the Giants last year and a PFF grade of 74.7 good for 29th of 115 ranked edge players. Williams earned a PFF rating of 53.9 that made him the 101 of 115 ranked edge players. He actually underperformed based on his draft position before his season ending knee injury that is going to have an impact on his development.

Originally posted by krizay:
Lol. Your game looks the same too. You love jumping in and throwing dumb s**t out there that has nothing to do with anything.

The fact that you grade on a curve for the players you like but not for the ones you dont has nothing to do with anything?

Guys with good physical skillsets can get better. Do they always? No. But that's far more likely than guys with mediocre ones that need the team around them or the play calling to carry the majority of the load.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The fact that you grade on a curve for the players you like but not for the ones you dont has nothing to do with anything?

Guys with good physical skillsets can get better. Do they always? No. But that's far more likely than guys with mediocre ones that need the team around them or the play calling to carry the majority of the load.

Lol grade on curve you brought up some a
Dumb ass Mac Jones s**t that had nothing to do with anything. I never said anything about some unlockable potential. I never even advocated for Mac to continue to start over Brock once he was healthy.

So again its you jumping in with some dumb s**t that has nothing to do with anything

Originally posted by jcs:
Carter was also 11th in pressures (66) and 11th in QB Hurries (43) in the league. 4 Sacks wasn't great but he also suffered from disciplinary issues around maturity for the Giants last year and a PFF grade of 74.7 good for 29th of 115 ranked edge players. Williams earned a PFF rating of 53.9 that made him the 101 of 115 ranked edge players. He actually underperformed based on his draft position before his season ending knee injury that is going to have an impact on his development.

Mykel was 2nd or 3rd in pressures in this rookie class when he was hurt.

Originally posted by krizay:
Lol grade on curve you brought up some a
Dumb ass Mac Jones s**t that had nothing to do with anything. I never said anything about some unlockable potential. I never even advocated for Mac to continue to start over Brock once he was healthy.

So again its you jumping in with some dumb s**t that has nothing to do with anything

So you dont think Mac would ever get any better under Kyle? Cmon. Dont prented you aren't convinced he'd be a top guy here based on one great Rams game. But it's crazy thinking a young kid with physical skills might get better.

Vernon and Mykel were bad picks because they werent or wont be elite enough. Mac just failed because of the Pats system though. Rinse and repeat.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Mykel wasn't flashy but he was impressive. He has a lot to improve upon but did some extremely impressive things, things that don't really show up on a stat sheet.

people that knock him for not having a bunch of sacks, while not giving him credit for the stuff he did very well for a rookie - tells me that some people don't understand the depth of football.

i can't wait for this guy to get cleared and I hope this injury doesn't set him back too much. Such a bright future if he can stay on his grind

What did he do when he played that we couldn't get out of a 4th round pick?

We took a guy with the 11th overall pick to set the edge on D.

This regime is so bad at drafting it's not even funny.

Why do you judge a draft pick after 10 games? Do you really think they only drafted him to set the edge? They drafted him to set the edge in year 1 and to develop him as a pass rusher based on his potential. But i know you know this and that doesnt fit your narrative.

Maybe we should have taken Pearce who had a good rookie season but will spend the next few years in and out of jail. But at least he'd have 10 sacks his rookie year!!! Surely you wouldn't be one to complain after this weekend's episode.

It's because it wasn't his guy…he thinks he's the ultimate draft evaluator.

💯

I actually wanted Derrick Harmon at 11 but was Ok with Mykel. I knew he wasn't going to rush the passer as a rookie but he did some good things. I was hoping Mykel was going to have a Travon Walker learning curve. Play stout run D as a rookie and get 10 sacks in year two. The knee injury sets him back though

I still think Harmon will be the better pro and we still desperately need a 3T but I understand the Mykel pick.

I think I'm my final mock I had Derrick Harmon at 1.11 and Nic Scourton at 2.43. Those two or even Donovan Ezeiruaku at 2.43 would have been better picks than Mykel and Alfred Collins.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I actually wanted Derrick Harmon at 11 but was Ok with Mykel. I knew he wasn't going to rush the passer as a rookie but he did some good things. I was hoping Mykel was going to have a Travon Walker learning curve. Play stout run D as a rookie and get 10 sacks in year two. The knee injury sets him back though

I still think Harmon will be the better pro and we still desperately need a 3T but I understand the Mykel pick.

I think I'm my final mock I had Derrick Harmon at 1.11 and Nic Scourton at 2.43. Those two or even Donovan Ezeiruaku at 2.43 would have been better picks than Mykel and Alfred Collins.

First of all I was shocked to see your name on the post. It's not complete doom and gloom. Congrats on your own development as a poster.

Second I liked Derrick Harmon as well but it sounds like medical red flags pushed him down the board.

Third it's one year into their careers and unfortunately Mykel tore his ACL week 9. We won't know who the better picks will be until at least a couple of more years.

The run D was noticeably better before he was lost for the season, just sayin. I didn't say it was great but it was better.

Theres no doubt he was adding value. Dont take the bait. Hes no soloman thomas, javon kinlaw.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Theres no doubt he was adding value. Dont take the bait. Hes no soloman thomas, javon kinlaw.

Solomon Thomas is actually a good comparison for a de that can't pass rush, is great against the run and has to move inside on passing downs to be effective

Originally posted by jcs:
Carter was also 11th in pressures (66) and 11th in QB Hurries (43) in the league. 4 Sacks wasn't great but he also suffered from disciplinary issues around maturity for the Giants last year and a PFF grade of 74.7 good for 29th of 115 ranked edge players. Williams earned a PFF rating of 53.9 that made him the 101 of 115 ranked edge players. He actually underperformed based on his draft position before his season ending knee injury that is going to have an impact on his development.

Okay so we can use PFF for everything? I just want to make sure that's where we're at in regards to proving who's good and who's not

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The fact that you grade on a curve for the players you like but not for the ones you dont has nothing to do with anything?

Guys with good physical skillsets can get better. Do they always? No. But that's far more likely than guys with mediocre ones that need the team around them or the play calling to carry the majority of the load.

Lol grade on curve you brought up some a
Dumb ass Mac Jones s**t that had nothing to do with anything. I never said anything about some unlockable potential. I never even advocated for Mac to continue to start over Brock once he was healthy.

So again its you jumping in with some dumb s**t that has nothing to do with anything

I mean you brought up Lance in here all the same.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Theres no doubt he was adding value. Dont take the bait. Hes no soloman thomas, javon kinlaw.

Solomon Thomas is actually a good comparison for a de that can't pass rush, is great against the run and has to move inside on passing downs to be effective

Only he could pass rush in college. He played from the interior as well.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
Carter was also 11th in pressures (66) and 11th in QB Hurries (43) in the league. 4 Sacks wasn't great but he also suffered from disciplinary issues around maturity for the Giants last year and a PFF grade of 74.7 good for 29th of 115 ranked edge players. Williams earned a PFF rating of 53.9 that made him the 101 of 115 ranked edge players. He actually underperformed based on his draft position before his season ending knee injury that is going to have an impact on his development.

Okay so we can use PFF for everything? I just want to make sure that's where we're at in regards to proving who's good and who's not

I mean we can go espn and it looks even worse for him. He wasn't a great rookie but he wasn't bad either. The knee injury unfortunately makes his rookie year inconclusive. It also puts question marks on his potential development simply because he won't be able to train on it 100% for a while. The fact that we're looking for another pass rush DE in FA and the Draft the following year also doesn't make this high draft pick look all that great.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
I actually wanted Derrick Harmon at 11 but was Ok with Mykel. I knew he wasn't going to rush the passer as a rookie but he did some good things. I was hoping Mykel was going to have a Travon Walker learning curve. Play stout run D as a rookie and get 10 sacks in year two. The knee injury sets him back though

I still think Harmon will be the better pro and we still desperately need a 3T but I understand the Mykel pick.

I think I'm my final mock I had Derrick Harmon at 1.11 and Nic Scourton at 2.43. Those two or even Donovan Ezeiruaku at 2.43 would have been better picks than Mykel and Alfred Collins.

I like Harmon as well. Injuries dropped him and I think he dealt with them all this past season as well. Nolen was my guy, same s**t got hurt but looked pretty damn good when out there.

As far as Scourton and Ezeiruaku go. They were basically ghosts this past season…not sure how you can say they're better?

Also if I remember correctly, at one point you wanted Collins lol? I was against him in the 2nd, end of the day he played about as well as I thought he would. He will have a roll on a team for a while, don't think he's gonna be some top end DT though.

overall that draft (and this upcoming one) isn't chalk full of elite level talent. Good players and some solid depth.