49ers select Mykel Williams-DE-Georgia with the 11th pick in the 2025 NFL Draft

It's crazy to me how so called smart football fans don't know his value. Our run D was night and day bad after he got injured. I mean…look how we defended the run first rams game to the second or first Seattle game vs the later matchups. This of course is on top of the other defensive injuries but the point still stands. Having a guy like him there that can eat double teams opens things up for your LBs and your other D lineman

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
I see people keep bringing up Armstead but he was hated here. Called a bust first few years then had a breakout contract year. People loved him. Then we traded Defo and people hated him again because he wasn't Defo.

So we are constantly comping him to a guy who wasn't exactly loved here. For the exact same reason I state for Williams.

Though I will point out the irony that I was one of the few who defended AA and his contributions outside of the sack numbers.

Comparing him to a good football player that's about to play his 12th season in the league. No one should be poo pooping that.

fans get all butthurt over players, it's emotional nonsense that lacks objective reality sometimes. AA was a perfect example. When he finally got through his injuries, he was a constant pillar to that DL. Leader of the group who kicked ass vs the run, created pressure that helped others get the sacks and made a ton of money in the process.

I got no problem drafting Williams if he turns into that dirt working DL that makes everyone else around him that much better. He will get his numbers and fans will recognize his worth to this roster (like AA). Not every pick needs to be a Nick Bosa prospect for it to be a successful pick.

People Compared Lance to Allen and Mahomes. Just because they are compared to other players doesn't make the comparison come true.

Me commenting on butthurt fans, emotional nonsense and lack of objective reality will just lead us down a path that will stray faaaaar from Mykel. I'm sure neither of us want to travel down that road so i'll leave that at that.

I got no problem drafting Williams if he turns into that as well. I think the argument though is the opinion of if he becomes that.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
It's crazy to me how so called smart football fans don't know his value. Our run D was night and day bad after he got injured. I mean…look how we defended the run first rams game to the second or first Seattle game vs the later matchups. This of course is on top of the other defensive injuries but the point still stands. Having a guy like him there that can eat double teams opens things up for your LBs and your other D lineman

The argument isn't his worth as a run defender. The argument is you can find run defenders at picks that are far less valuable than pick #11

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
It's crazy to me how so called smart football fans don't know his value. Our run D was night and day bad after he got injured. I mean…look how we defended the run first rams game to the second or first Seattle game vs the later matchups. This of course is on top of the other defensive injuries but the point still stands. Having a guy like him there that can eat double teams opens things up for your LBs and your other D lineman

The argument isn't his worth as a run defender. The argument is you can find run defenders at picks that are far less valuable than pick #11

he had half a rookie year at age 21 and was already a top run defender in the NFL instead of us saying he isnt worth the pick yet why not let him play and develop that ius what the draft is about very few players are superstars in there rookie year and take time

Originally posted by krizay:
People Compared Lance to Allen and Mahomes. Just because they are compared to other players doesn't make the comparison come true.

Me commenting on butthurt fans, emotional nonsense and lack of objective reality will just lead us down a path that will stray faaaaar from Mykel. I'm sure neither of us want to travel down that road so i'll leave that at that.

I got no problem drafting Williams if he turns into that as well. I think the argument though is the opinion of if he becomes that.

And trying to argue against the idea that he could improve or take a step towards being that type of player is silly right now. He's one of the youngest players on the roster and played like 9 games so far.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
It's crazy to me how so called smart football fans don't know his value. Our run D was night and day bad after he got injured. I mean…look how we defended the run first rams game to the second or first Seattle game vs the later matchups. This of course is on top of the other defensive injuries but the point still stands. Having a guy like him there that can eat double teams opens things up for your LBs and your other D lineman

The argument isn't his worth as a run defender. The argument is you can find run defenders at picks that are far less valuable than pick #11

valid argument, My hope is that he has the DNA of a dominant player, just young and relatively inexperienced. Maybe he can become Michael Bennett, like 7-10 sacks and wreak havoc all over the line and disrupt. That ACL tear came right as he was figuring things out. Only time will tell

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
It's crazy to me how so called smart football fans don't know his value. Our run D was night and day bad after he got injured. I mean…look how we defended the run first rams game to the second or first Seattle game vs the later matchups. This of course is on top of the other defensive injuries but the point still stands. Having a guy like him there that can eat double teams opens things up for your LBs and your other D lineman

The argument isn't his worth as a run defender. The argument is you can find run defenders at picks that are far less valuable than pick #11

he had half a rookie year at age 21 and was already a top run defender in the NFL instead of us saying he isnt worth the pick yet why not let him play and develop that ius what the draft is about very few players are superstars in there rookie year and take time

Abdul Carter was regarded as one of the only "blue chip" guys in this past draft. He had a whopping 4 sacks in 17 games and that's with a ton of talent around him on that DL. I guess he's a finished product too.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by krizay:
I do. Because he showed us exactly what we saw 3 years at Georgia.

Sometimes these players really are what they show you they are.

I know you love looking at age and assume these big leaps. But sometimes they are what they show you they are.

This is funny stuff man.

He showed us that he could lead the Georgia National Championship team in sacks as an 18 year old true freshman. He showed us that he was one of the most respected players on that squad. He showed us toughness in his ability to get back from a high ankle sprain where many would've shut it down to protect their draft status - which for Mykel was top 5 pick level heading into that last year.

A 21 year old kid who is eager to learn, gives his all to the sport but needs work on his technique is more likely to grow and develop than guys who are limited athletically and have a cap they hit technique wise. There is no room for growth.

You can put your money on Mykel being nothing but a run stopper. I expect him to prove you wrong but I can give you a list a mile long of guys who didn't pop their first 9 games in the NFL and then ended up making that fanbase thrilled with that pick long term.

Speaking of funny stuff. All the character fluff you threw in here reminds me of the Trey Lance defense. When you have to throw out Age, work ethic and character for a draft pick as your main defense it usually doesn't end well.

He was at a top notch program with top notch coaching. How much did he progress from that 18 year old you're propping up to the 21 year old with eagerness?

He looked the same at 21 as he did at 18. I hope he does prove me wrong. The team needs him to prove me wrong. I dont think he will but that's just my opinion.

It's not character fluff it's called common sense. Players with those traits who work hard tend to improve. It's not a guarantee but it certainly improves the odds of it happening.

This is a team game. Soon as Mykel went out our defense took a huge dump. Obviously not as big of a loss as Nick or Fred but if you can see a clear decline in overall play when a 21 year old rookie gets injured there is something there whether you want to admit it or not.

You're evaluating a young kid on a DL missing their best player for 6 of the 9 games Mykel played and drawing a conclusion that he cannot develop. That's incredibly silly IMO.

Justin Smith who was a much more developed rookie and our own perfect example of sack numbers don't always tell the full story had 2.5 sacks through 9 games as a rookie.

Does that mean Mykel will be just like Justin of course not. But it's simply another reminder how ridiculous it is to call a guy a finished product after 9 games.

And btw Mykel had his most impactful season at Georgia playing on that high ankle sprain so claiming he's the same guy as he was at 18 is pure fiction.

Originally posted by BP13:
valid argument, My hope is that he has the DNA of a dominant player, just young and relatively inexperienced. Maybe he can become Michael Bennett, like 7-10 sacks and wreak havoc all over the line and disrupt. That ACL tear came right as he was figuring things out. Only time will tell

That was kinda my whole point, I never saw him as some every yr 10+ sack guy. He was a f**k up the LOS type of player that does the dirty work. He creates chaos for others to get the sack. Much like a Justin Smith, AA, or Bennett type of player.

All said and done he's gonna be a 280lb big end who pushes inside as that 3T. Those dudes are valuable, regardless of what some people think.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And trying to argue against the idea that he could improve or take a step towards being that type of player is silly right now. He's one of the youngest players on the roster and played like 9 games so far.

His game looked the same at 18 when he lead the bulldogs in sacks and won a championship. Looked the same as when he was 19 and healthy. Looked the same at 20, on a high ankle sprain. Looked the same as an eager to learn 21 year old. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's going to look the same as a 22 year old coming off of an ACL tear. The bright side is next year he'll only be 23.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And trying to argue against the idea that he could improve or take a step towards being that type of player is silly right now. He's one of the youngest players on the roster and played like 9 games so far.

His game looked the same at 18 when he lead the bulldogs in sacks and won a championship. Looked the same as when he was 19 and healthy. Looked the same at 20, on a high ankle sprain. Looked the same as an eager to learn 21 year old. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's going to look the same as a 22 year old coming off of an ACL tear. The bright side is next year he'll only be 23.

We shouldn't have had him playing late in a game we'd already secured

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And trying to argue against the idea that he could improve or take a step towards being that type of player is silly right now. He's one of the youngest players on the roster and played like 9 games so far.

His game looked the same at 18 when he lead the bulldogs in sacks and won a championship. Looked the same as when he was 19 and healthy. Looked the same at 20, on a high ankle sprain. Looked the same as an eager to learn 21 year old. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's going to look the same as a 22 year old coming off of an ACL tear. The bright side is next year he'll only be 23.

Would love to hear your analysis on how you came to this conclusion.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And trying to argue against the idea that he could improve or take a step towards being that type of player is silly right now. He's one of the youngest players on the roster and played like 9 games so far.

His game looked the same at 18 when he lead the bulldogs in sacks and won a championship. Looked the same as when he was 19 and healthy. Looked the same at 20, on a high ankle sprain. Looked the same as an eager to learn 21 year old. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's going to look the same as a 22 year old coming off of an ACL tear. The bright side is next year he'll only be 23.

Would love to hear your analysis on how you came to this conclusion.

Right?

Originally posted by krizay:
His game looked the same at 18 when he lead the bulldogs in sacks and won a championship. Looked the same as when he was 19 and healthy. Looked the same at 20, on a high ankle sprain. Looked the same as an eager to learn 21 year old. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's going to look the same as a 22 year old coming off of an ACL tear. The bright side is next year he'll only be 23.

Yet we are supposed to believe there is unlockable potential in a 6th year qb with a limited physical skillset of course.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by krizay:
His game looked the same at 18 when he lead the bulldogs in sacks and won a championship. Looked the same as when he was 19 and healthy. Looked the same at 20, on a high ankle sprain. Looked the same as an eager to learn 21 year old. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's going to look the same as a 22 year old coming off of an ACL tear. The bright side is next year he'll only be 23.

Yet we are supposed to believe there is unlockable potential in a 6th year qb with a limited physical skillset of course.

Lol. Your game looks the same too. You love jumping in and throwing dumb s**t out there that has nothing to do with anything.