49ers sign QB Mac Jones

Originally posted by Niners418:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
In order to compete for high playoff achievement in the modern NFL 17 game season we need depth in the qb room. We have to keep mac. We dont have a top 10 oli e.

It's a slippery slope. The depth is a huge advantage especially given Brock's injury history.
Most teams season would be over if they lose their starting QB. You think the Pats or Seahawks would be here if Lock or Dobbs were playing?

So yes we keep Mac if the offers aren't strong enough. But given our ability to find reclamation projects and also the presence of Rourke….you kind of have to take the compensation given all of our needs if it's a strong enough offer.

TThe offers have to be way better than a second. A second and a player a second and a third a second and two fourths something like that. Just remember without Mac Jones our season would have been long over around week 12. And everybody here would be talking about changing general manager and upgrading the coaching staff with new DCs new head of football operations etc etc. The only reason we're not talking about that now is because we had pretty good quarterback that could execute in shany's system who's a little bit taller than our starter. That's it. That's the difference between excitement and Oblivion

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Niners418:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

In order to compete for high playoff achievement in the modern NFL 17 game season we need depth in the qb room. We have to keep mac. We dont have a top 10 oli e.

It's a slippery slope. The depth is a huge advantage especially given Brock's injury history.
Most teams season would be over if they lose their starting QB. You think the Pats or Seahawks would be here if Lock or Dobbs were playing?

So yes we keep Mac if the offers aren't strong enough. But given our ability to find reclamation projects and also the presence of Rourke….you kind of have to take the compensation given all of our needs if it's a strong enough offer.

TThe offers have to be way better than a second. A second and a player a second and a third a second and two fourths something like that. Just remember without Mac Jones our season would have been long over around week 12. And everybody here would be talking about changing general manager and upgrading the coaching staff with new DCs new head of football operations etc etc. The only reason we're not talking about that now is because we had pretty good quarterback that could execute in shany's system who's a little bit taller than our starter. That's it. That's the difference between excitement and Oblivion

Cooper Rush has gone on a similar run. Davis Mills looked good. Jimmy might have been able to win most of those games if he were our backup. Mac isn't the only guy that can get hot for a little

Mac was the better qb by a good margin in all his wins except the rams win. We played a lot of weak teams and the odds of everything lining up for Mac like that again are low

And if it does line up like that again then it really just hurts our draft position as a rebuilding team. If we don't get a 2nd then we should keep Mac, but I think we will and we should pounce on that. We need a new OL and new receivers that can release off the line of scrimmage vs Seattles secondary. Until then we aren't real contenders, so a backup keeping the season alive is a little bit of a moot point

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Niners418:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
In order to compete for high playoff achievement in the modern NFL 17 game season we need depth in the qb room. We have to keep mac. We dont have a top 10 oli e.

It's a slippery slope. The depth is a huge advantage especially given Brock's injury history.
Most teams season would be over if they lose their starting QB. You think the Pats or Seahawks would be here if Lock or Dobbs were playing?

So yes we keep Mac if the offers aren't strong enough. But given our ability to find reclamation projects and also the presence of Rourke….you kind of have to take the compensation given all of our needs if it's a strong enough offer.

TThe offers have to be way better than a second. A second and a player a second and a third a second and two fourths something like that. Just remember without Mac Jones our season would have been long over around week 12. And everybody here would be talking about changing general manager and upgrading the coaching staff with new DCs new head of football operations etc etc. The only reason we're not talking about that now is because we had pretty good quarterback that could execute in shany's system who's a little bit taller than our starter. That's it. That's the difference between excitement and Oblivion

Cooper Rush has gone on a similar run. Davis Mills looked good. Jimmy might have been able to win most of those games if he were our backup. Mac isn't the only guy that can get hot for a little

Mac was the better qb by a good margin in all his wins except the rams win. We played a lot of weak teams and the odds of everything lining up for Mac like that again are low

And if it does line up like that again then it really just hurts our draft position as a rebuilding team. If we don't get a 2nd then we should keep Mac, but I think we will and we should pounce on that. We need a new OL and new receivers that can release off the line of scrimmage vs Seattles secondary. Until then we aren't real contenders, so a backup keeping the season alive is a little bit of a moot point

I think your not giving mac his full due. I agree that if we obtain a mac equivalent then we trade mac for a second. But not before. And of the guys you named only jimmy can do the job and i think he's more frail than when he left a couple years ago.

So if we decide to put mac in a better contract before we have a solution we need a lot more than 2nd imo.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

I think your not giving mac his full due. I agree that if we obtain a mac equivalent then we trade mac for a second. But not before. And of the guys you named only jimmy can do the job and i think he's more frail than when he left a couple years ago.

So if we decide to put mac in a better contract before we have a solution we need a lot more than 2nd imo.

I think he's pretty good and he's earned himself a shot with another team, but there's just not enough track record to expect a huge return imo. He's much better than Rush but even that guy is capable of playing well for a little, so people won't be fully convinced Macs career is turned around

I just don't see the value in keeping Mac. He lost to the Bucs and Texans and was 1-1 against the Rams. It's not like he's going to win consistently for us if we need him against the better teams. We have so many holes to fill on both sides of the ball. We just saw that we straight up can't compete with the Seahawks. We need all picks we can get

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
I think your not giving mac his full due. I agree that if we obtain a mac equivalent then we trade mac for a second. But not before. And of the guys you named only jimmy can do the job and i think he's more frail than when he left a couple years ago.

So if we decide to put mac in a better contract before we have a solution we need a lot more than 2nd imo.

I think he's pretty good and he's earned himself a shot with another team, but there's just not enough track record to expect a huge return imo. He's much better than Rush but even that guy is capable of playing well for a little, so people won't be fully convinced Macs career is turned around

I just don't see the value in keeping Mac. He lost to the Bucs and Texans and was 1-1 against the Rams. It's not like he's going to win consistently for us if we need him against the better teams. We have so many holes to fill on both sides of the ball. We just saw that we straight up can't compete with the Seahawks. We need all picks we can get

Agreed. This team needs picks. And while we are at it, nobody should be off the table except:

purdy
bosa
warner
lenoir
M Williams
collins
Pearsal

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

I think your not giving mac his full due. I agree that if we obtain a mac equivalent then we trade mac for a second. But not before. And of the guys you named only jimmy can do the job and i think he's more frail than when he left a couple years ago.

So if we decide to put mac in a better contract before we have a solution we need a lot more than 2nd imo.

I think he's pretty good and he's earned himself a shot with another team, but there's just not enough track record to expect a huge return imo. He's much better than Rush but even that guy is capable of playing well for a little, so people won't be fully convinced Macs career is turned around

I just don't see the value in keeping Mac. He lost to the Bucs and Texans and was 1-1 against the Rams. It's not like he's going to win consistently for us if we need him against the better teams. We have so many holes to fill on both sides of the ball. We just saw that we straight up can't compete with the Seahawks. We need all picks we can get

Agreed. This team needs picks. And while we are at it, nobody should be off the table except:

purdy
bosa
warner
lenoir
M Williams
collins
Pearsal

I think the injuries and record make fans think we're right there, but I've been saying that's all a mirage. The league sucks right now for the most part. Houston Seattle and NE are the only teams that play defense anymore. We won those games because we had the better qb in all of them except the Rams game (which took a few miracles to win), but we don't have the personnel to compete with the real defenses. Remember mckivitz against Anderson? We're overmatched against the real defenses

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think he's pretty good and he's earned himself a shot with another team, but there's just not enough track record to expect a huge return imo. He's much better than Rush but even that guy is capable of playing well for a little, so people won't be fully convinced Macs career is turned around

I just don't see the value in keeping Mac. He lost to the Bucs and Texans and was 1-1 against the Rams. It's not like he's going to win consistently for us if we need him against the better teams. We have so many holes to fill on both sides of the ball. We just saw that we straight up can't compete with the Seahawks. We need all picks we can get

The value in keeping mac is that we make the playoffs while we rebuild. So you have practically manufacture a real qb transaction thats going to have a similar win profile while brock heals up from the inevitable kill shots he will take. As you mention, mck vs anderson. Can you name a real vet besides jimmy who is a candidate?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I think he's pretty good and he's earned himself a shot with another team, but there's just not enough track record to expect a huge return imo. He's much better than Rush but even that guy is capable of playing well for a little, so people won't be fully convinced Macs career is turned around

I just don't see the value in keeping Mac. He lost to the Bucs and Texans and was 1-1 against the Rams. It's not like he's going to win consistently for us if we need him against the better teams. We have so many holes to fill on both sides of the ball. We just saw that we straight up can't compete with the Seahawks. We need all picks we can get

The value in keeping mac is that we make the playoffs while we rebuild. So you have practically manufacture a real qb transaction thats going to have a similar win profile while brock heals up from the inevitable kill shots he will take. As you mention, mck vs anderson. Can you name a real vet besides jimmy who is a candidate?

Our roster can't compete with real teams. They literally get man handled. If we can get a good pick for Mac I'm taking it. There's more value in that than assuming Brock gets injured and assuming Mac's play won't fall off and assuming he'll get go up against guys like Dart and Penix most of the time. All to hopefully get in the playoffs so we can get manhandled. Not worth passing up on the pick imo

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
The value in keeping mac is that we make the playoffs while we rebuild. So you have practically manufacture a real qb transaction thats going to have a similar win profile while brock heals up from the inevitable kill shots he will take. As you mention, mck vs anderson. Can you name a real vet besides jimmy who is a candidate?

As I've said before. A lot of what happens with Mac will depend on what the team thinks it has in Rourke. He was pretty effective in college and won some high honors there in 2022, including MVP and Offensive Player of the Year in his conference. He had a 65-14 TD to INT ratio his last three years. During his time at Ohio, he had a 3.9 yd rushing avg. with around 800 yds and 11 TDs and, according to the ESPN he had a 123 QB rating going into the draft. The question is whether or not he can translate that level of play into the NFL. I have no problem with Mac sticking around for another year if that's how it works out but, for the record, he's NOT better than Brock.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I think he's pretty good and he's earned himself a shot with another team, but there's just not enough track record to expect a huge return imo. He's much better than Rush but even that guy is capable of playing well for a little, so people won't be fully convinced Macs career is turned around

I just don't see the value in keeping Mac. He lost to the Bucs and Texans and was 1-1 against the Rams. It's not like he's going to win consistently for us if we need him against the better teams. We have so many holes to fill on both sides of the ball. We just saw that we straight up can't compete with the Seahawks. We need all picks we can get

The value in keeping mac is that we make the playoffs while we rebuild. So you have practically manufacture a real qb transaction thats going to have a similar win profile while brock heals up from the inevitable kill shots he will take. As you mention, mck vs anderson. Can you name a real vet besides jimmy who is a candidate?

Our roster can't compete with real teams. They literally get man handled. If we can get a good pick for Mac I'm taking it. There's more value in that than assuming Brock gets injured and assuming Mac's play won't fall off and assuming he'll get go up against guys like Dart and Penix most of the time. All to hopefully get in the playoffs so we can get manhandled. Not worth passing up on the pick imo

I dont think you answered the question.

Do you honestly think brock getting dinged next year is a hypothetical?

So if you are sold on an all-in rebuild, why keep warner kittle bosa cmc trent? Those 5 players hog up about 110m of our salary and are all around 30 excepting trent. We can get 7 15m dollar mid 20s players and fill out our trenches instantly.

Why hang on to these money sponges if we are in full rebuild?

It's pretty unlikely that a second round pick contributes more than Mac did last year. No sense in trading an elite backup QB for another Drake Jackson.

Originally posted by All22:
It's pretty unlikely that a second round pick contributes more than Mac did last year. No sense in trading an elite backup QB for another Drake Jackson.

If you are like me, I watch a ton of YouTube content and the community is collectively holding a spotlight on Lynch and his crappy drafting. Lynch is no dummy and my guess is he gets the memo. That said, I totally understand what you are saying.

That said, we don't have a lot of draft picks this year coupled with the Niners usually aren't big spenders in free agency, we almost NEED to trade Mac. I think his market will increase to a 2nd and 4th and may climb to a 2nd and 3rd come closer to draft day.

We need players. Just wish Lynch wasn't in charge of the draft!

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
I think your not giving mac his full due. I agree that if we obtain a mac equivalent then we trade mac for a second. But not before. And of the guys you named only jimmy can do the job and i think he's more frail than when he left a couple years ago.

So if we decide to put mac in a better contract before we have a solution we need a lot more than 2nd imo.

If you are looking at what Mac was before Kyle got his hands on him, then a "Mac equivalent" would be like 12 free agent QBs this offseason.

You gotta trade Mac to the highest bidder. That pick could easily be a quality DAY 2 Safety, WR, OL or Edge

Originally posted by bigpete50:
If you are like me, I watch a ton of YouTube content and the community is collectively holding a spotlight on Lynch and his crappy drafting. Lynch is no dummy and my guess is he gets the memo. That said, I totally understand what you are saying.

That said, we don't have a lot of draft picks this year coupled with the Niners usually aren't big spenders in free agency, we almost NEED to trade Mac. I think his market will increase to a 2nd and 4th and may climb to a 2nd and 3rd come closer to draft day.

We need players. Just wish Lynch wasn't in charge of the draft!

Um, your logic is flawed. The team haven't been big spenders of late, which doesn't mean that they won't be this year. Actually they appear to have cleared a fair sized pot to allow for FAs. Then you accuse Lynch of crap drafting, and argue that we absolutely MUST trade Mac to get more picks for Lynch to throw away with crappy drafting. Um?

We have 7 draft picks this year, which is, obviously, an average number. But they are all between Rounds 1 and 5 which leaves the capacity to earn extra picks by trading down. So numerically I don't see a problem.

The continuing moan about Lynch's drafting doesn't seem to let up. Actually it is BS. If his drafting is that bad and if we don't spend much in FA, then I guess over the last chunk of years we must have been awful, yes?

err no. Even this year, with key players down and out one after the other, we will be picking 27th. How do we manage that with such bad drafting and little FA work?

Let's be clear, all drafting is spotty and unpredictable. Even Bill Walsh's was. Our second and third day drafting ranges from reasonable to incredible. The problem lies in the early picks. And I doubt if they are exclusively down to Lynch. More likely to be a sort of team effort. So maybe we need to change the system and approach the early picks in the same fashion as we approach the later ones. And of course, the fans need to remember that a fair percentage of first round picks across the board are going to bust. Because that is the way it is.