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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Foerester, who never hides anything about what he thinks:

How did your undrafted rookies do in their first ever NFL game? OL Corey Luciano, OL Ilm Manning and OL Joey Fisher?

"They all had first game issues. They didn't play as well as they could have. There were some mental errors, there were some physical breakdowns. Of the three guys, Ilm's really played very well this camp. And in the preseason game."


I don't know that his long-term career is at tackle, but he's played very well there. And you're right, he doesn't quite fit the prototype, but he's done a good job this preseason."

What do you see from Manning at guard or at center?
"He's got really good bend, flexibility, balance, things that you need inside. He's got good quickness. He'll have to learn. It's quicker; things happen, the steps have to be shorter. [OL Spencer] Burford goes through it a little bit still. He still sometimes kicks bigger like a tackle and needs to keep his feet underneath him a little more under control, like a guard. So, it's more of a quickness and I don't want to say quickness, it's more of just your footwork has to be, everything has to happen a little bit quicker at guard. And that's what Ilm will have to learn if he ever makes that transition in."

Dude seems like he could be fantastic at C but also excel at G with the ability to fill in at OT if necessary.

Have we found our next Brunskill?

Speaking of Brunskill, in hindsight the Niners should have signed Brunskill, and not signed Prior/feliciano etc. cap hit would have been the same. Brunskill was not a sexy player, but he went unnoticed when he played, which is good when you are OL
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Originally posted by 49ers808:
@OTC & NC

Man we eye to eye, I literally was saying the same stuff about him in another thread!! I saw Ilm play a lot, being from Hawaii, dude played every game from the start. Now, trying not to be biased, he isn't great or anything like that, but he did do his job for the most part, especially compared to the rest of Hawaiis garbage bin oline. I don't think Tackle is his best position in the pros, I honestly think it's at C. He has great feet, really quick. What I don't know about is his mental capacity that the C requires in our scheme. But man, after this game, maybe he can play OT. Nobody can say he can't do it when he literally did it all of college. Maybe we really do have the next Brunskill in him and he can play all 5. Or maybe even better, Jesse Sapolu 2.0

Great insight! Thank you. One thing that stood out from your statement is Manning's durability. If he has world class durability, I can see him being a good OTackle or a great center (I'm comparing him a bit to Sapaulu). I want to see more of him in the Denver game for sure. Brunskill added depth and versatility to the offensive line, I'm hoping Manning can do that also.
The Niners had an undersized left tackle in Dan Audick (6 ft 3 in, 252 lb) in the 1981 season and Super Bowl. He also played at Hawaii.

Wikipedia:
In 1981, Audick was traded to the San Francisco 49ers. Though he was considered to be "undersized" for the left tackle position, he was tasked with the responsibility of protecting Joe Montana's "blindside." Under the guidance of Coach Bill Walsh, Audick was a key contributor on the final 89-yard drive that led to the play that has been immortalized as "The Catch" in the 1982 NFC Playoffs versus the Dallas Cowboys. Audick subsequently started in Super Bowl XVI wearing number 61 for the 49ers' 26-21 victory over the Cincinnati Bengals.[2]

When Michael Lewis was researching for his 2006 book, The Blind Side: Evolution of a Game, he called upon several former NFL coaches and players who had played the left tackle position including Audick.[citation needed] Audick helped Lewis understand the role of the "undersized" versus the "prototypical."[citation needed] In Lewis's book, Audick is credited with having played a contributing role in the evolution of the "undersized" left tackle position. In 2009, the book was made into a movie called The Blind Side.

Audick was the first student athlete to graduate from the University of Hawaii and to contribute to a winning Super Bowl team.
[ Edited by Paul_Hofer on Aug 18, 2023 at 8:00 AM ]
Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
The Niners had an undersized left tackle in Dan Audick in the 1981 season and Super Bowl. He also played at Hawaii.

Wikipedia:
In 1981, Audick was traded to the San Francisco 49ers. Though he was considered to be "undersized" for the left tackle position, he was tasked with the responsibility of protecting Joe Montana's "blindside." Under the guidance of Coach Bill Walsh, Audick was a key contributor on the final 89-yard drive that led to the play that has been immortalized as "The Catch" in the 1982 NFC Playoffs versus the Dallas Cowboys. Audick subsequently started in Super Bowl XVI wearing number 61 for the 49ers' 26-21 victory over the Cincinnati Bengals.[2]

When Michael Lewis was researching for his 2006 book, The Blind Side: Evolution of a Game, he called upon several former NFL coaches and players who had played the left tackle position including Audick.[citation needed] Audick helped Lewis understand the role of the "undersized" versus the "prototypical."[citation needed] In Lewis's book, Audick is credited with having played a contributing role in the evolution of the "undersized" left tackle position. In 2009, the book was made into a movie called The Blind Side.

Audick was the first student athlete to graduate from the University of Hawaii and to contribute to a winning Super Bowl team.

Another undersize OT is Derrick Deese. I believed the team kept trying to move him to guard, but he kept doing well playing OT. It took a while before they gave up that idea.
Originally posted by 9erred:
Speaking of Brunskill, in hindsight the Niners should have signed Brunskill, and not signed Prior/feliciano etc. cap hit would have been the same. Brunskill was not a sexy player, but he went unnoticed when he played, which is good when you are OL

I still don't get why Brunskill was allowed to walk. Its not like they replaced him with all-world players.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Speaking of Brunskill, in hindsight the Niners should have signed Brunskill, and not signed Prior/feliciano etc. cap hit would have been the same. Brunskill was not a sexy player, but he went unnoticed when he played, which is good when you are OL

I still don't get why Brunskill was allowed to walk. Its not like they replaced him with all-world players.

Hubris?
This is a pretty good clip on Manning's game against the Raiders. Very complimentary of his play. The other thing that stood out was how bad Ty Davis-Price was in pass protection. He was getting beat on almost every play he showed up in. Something to watch out for going forward.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Speaking of Brunskill, in hindsight the Niners should have signed Brunskill, and not signed Prior/feliciano etc. cap hit would have been the same. Brunskill was not a sexy player, but he went unnoticed when he played, which is good when you are OL

I still don't get why Brunskill was allowed to walk. Its not like they replaced him with all-world players.

Hubris?

On the part of fans? 100%
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Foerester, who never hides anything about what he thinks:

How did your undrafted rookies do in their first ever NFL game? OL Corey Luciano, OL Ilm Manning and OL Joey Fisher?

"They all had first game issues. They didn't play as well as they could have. There were some mental errors, there were some physical breakdowns. Of the three guys, Ilm's really played very well this camp. And in the preseason game."

I don't know that his long-term career is at tackle, but he's played very well there. And you're right, he doesn't quite fit the prototype, but he's done a good job this preseason."

What do you see from Manning at guard or at center?
"He's got really good bend, flexibility, balance, things that you need inside. He's got good quickness. He'll have to learn. It's quicker; things happen, the steps have to be shorter. [OL Spencer] Burford goes through it a little bit still. He still sometimes kicks bigger like a tackle and needs to keep his feet underneath him a little more under control, like a guard. So, it's more of a quickness and I don't want to say quickness, it's more of just your footwork has to be, everything has to happen a little bit quicker at guard. And that's what Ilm will have to learn if he ever makes that transition in."

Dude seems like he could be fantastic at C but also excel at G with the ability to fill in at OT if necessary.

Have we found our next Brunskill?

Speaking of Brunskill, in hindsight the Niners should have signed Brunskill, and not signed Prior/feliciano etc. cap hit would have been the same. Brunskill was not a sexy player, but he went unnoticed when he played, which is good when you are OL

Brunskill had an opportunity to start in Tennessee. Here he was stuck in a backup role. As an UFA, it wasn't entirely up to us. If he wanted to test free agency, that was his choice.
I could see he and Leroy Watson knocking Moore and Pryor or Feliciano off the team.

Originally posted by btthepunk:
I could see he and Leroy Watson knocking Moore and Pryor or Feliciano off the team.

Moore is a ghost and my boy Watson has been terrible. Pryor and Feliciano have at least proven they can play well in real NFL games. Manning has a legit chance but Foerster is big on measurables and fit.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by 9erred:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Foerester, who never hides anything about what he thinks:

How did your undrafted rookies do in their first ever NFL game? OL Corey Luciano, OL Ilm Manning and OL Joey Fisher?

"They all had first game issues. They didn't play as well as they could have. There were some mental errors, there were some physical breakdowns. Of the three guys, Ilm's really played very well this camp. And in the preseason game."

I don't know that his long-term career is at tackle, but he's played very well there. And you're right, he doesn't quite fit the prototype, but he's done a good job this preseason."

What do you see from Manning at guard or at center?
"He's got really good bend, flexibility, balance, things that you need inside. He's got good quickness. He'll have to learn. It's quicker; things happen, the steps have to be shorter. [OL Spencer] Burford goes through it a little bit still. He still sometimes kicks bigger like a tackle and needs to keep his feet underneath him a little more under control, like a guard. So, it's more of a quickness and I don't want to say quickness, it's more of just your footwork has to be, everything has to happen a little bit quicker at guard. And that's what Ilm will have to learn if he ever makes that transition in."

Dude seems like he could be fantastic at C but also excel at G with the ability to fill in at OT if necessary.

Have we found our next Brunskill?

Speaking of Brunskill, in hindsight the Niners should have signed Brunskill, and not signed Prior/feliciano etc. cap hit would have been the same. Brunskill was not a sexy player, but he went unnoticed when he played, which is good when you are OL

Brunskill had an opportunity to start in Tennessee. Here he was stuck in a backup role. As an UFA, it wasn't entirely up to us. If he wanted to test free agency, that was his choice.

This, not sure why Brunskill would take a role as a backup, when he can start elsewhere.

Originally posted by btthepunk:
I could see he and Leroy Watson knocking Moore and Pryor or Feliciano off the team.

Feliciano is a lock to make the team, only one with proven reps at C in live games, plus they guaranteed him most of his cap number, teams like the 49ers don't like to eat cap room, but may have to with someone like Flannigan-Fowles who got I think $750K GTD, and Dwelley who got $700K GTD, but teams don't like, as I said, to eat cap room. More likely a trade happens.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by btthepunk:
I could see he and Leroy Watson knocking Moore and Pryor or Feliciano off the team.

Moore is a ghost and my boy Watson has been terrible. Pryor and Feliciano have at least proven they can play well in real NFL games. Manning has a legit chance but Foerster is big on measurables and fit.

I thought Watson was one of the better OL against the Raiders? I pretty much stopped watching after the first half so I could be wrong. It's happened once before.
His nickname should be short round
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
His nickname should be short round

4th Manning brother

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