OTAs/Training Camp 2025

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Why wouldn't you just trade Trey if he showed he can play well for an extended period of time. And keep the cheaper contract that you can surround with more talent. I think you are incorrect.

Why wouldn't you just keep the QB you thought could be elite and actually got the opportunity to do just that?

why not trade the QB that either got benched or hurt given this scenario? (I'm not advocating for that, both should be kept).

Cheaper for what a year? People think Brock is gonna play out his 4 yr min wage contract if he's the starter? Ya freaking right lol. Once yr 3 is over he's gonna want a big fat contract, he's been making peanuts and there is no 5th yr option…also again Lance will still count for half of his cap space if traded next yr. So you're saving $5M THEN you have to pay a couple million for a decent backup. So what savings are we talking about here?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
What am I even reading here? The goal is the Super Bowl. It's not trading out our best guys, which includes our QB1, for compensation. We get it you prefer TL.

I'm not trading either. I said this. There is no point BUT given the hypothetical scenario where Lance starts either based on poor play from Brock or injury. Why move him?

If this is the case does Brock have zero value now? It's no different then what's going on now, just the roles are reversed

Idk. I'm a little sick that we have one of the most talented all-around teams in the history of the game right now and we all have to hope that our young/unproven qb's can steer the ship to a championship.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I agree that there is no point in moving him this year. But if we aren't keeping him past year 4, its better to try and get something for him next year rather than just let him walk after his contract is up.

If he walks and signs a deal worth anything then it's a comp pick. Only way he's getting anything worth anything in a trade is if he plays and does something good this yr…and if that's the case you keep him.

If he does get a chance to play this season and plays at a high level, there should absolutely be a true QB competition next summer between him and Brock.

Or he's the new QB1 and they move Brock lol. 49er QB stories are wild.

end of the day I think both guys are here for the life of their contracts. Unless they go rouge and get Kirk this off season (which doesn't make sense cap wise).

I'd Pickett the team if they did that. Lol they don't need to make this situation worse with old ass bunk cousins.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm not trading either. I said this. There is no point BUT given the hypothetical scenario where Lance starts either based on poor play from Brock or injury. Why move him?

If this is the case does Brock have zero value now? It's no different then what's going on now, just the roles are reversed

Lol are you making up hypothetical scenarios, where BP both turns into a pumpkin, then is moved to free up the chart for your preferred QB? Hope you have Madden preordered NY, so you can play it out, let us know how this goes

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Why wouldn't you just trade Trey if he showed he can play well for an extended period of time. And keep the cheaper contract that you can surround with more talent. I think you are incorrect.

Why wouldn't you just keep the QB you thought could be elite and actually got the opportunity to do just that?

why not trade the QB that either got benched or hurt given this scenario? (I'm not advocating for that, both should be kept).

Cheaper for what a year? People think Brock is gonna play out his 4 yr min wage contract if he's the starter? Ya freaking right lol. Once yr 3 is over he's gonna want a big fat contract, he's been making peanuts and there is no 5th yr option…also again Lance will still count for half of his cap space if traded next yr. So you're saving $5M THEN you have to pay a couple million for a decent backup. So what savings are we talking about here?

Why would a team offer anything of value in a trade for someone who got benched or injured who won't finish out his contract. I think you're incorrect

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Why wouldn't you just keep the QB you thought could be elite and actually got the opportunity to do just that?

why not trade the QB that either got benched or hurt given this scenario? (I'm not advocating for that, both should be kept).

Cheaper for what a year? People think Brock is gonna play out his 4 yr min wage contract if he's the starter? Ya freaking right lol. Once yr 3 is over he's gonna want a big fat contract, he's been making peanuts and there is no 5th yr option…also again Lance will still count for half of his cap space if traded next yr. So you're saving $5M THEN you have to pay a couple million for a decent backup. So what savings are we talking about here?

If Brock continues what he's been doing, he will sign an extension. So he's cheap as peanuts for the next three years and then you can do a similar bonus structure (3 bonus structure) that they did with hurts to keep him cheap for the next 5-6 years and give him a fat signing bonus. Hurts cap hits the next four years:
2023: $6.1M
2024: $13.5M
2025: $21.7M
2026: $31.7M

Doing something like that with Brock will save the team much more money than Lance would. Lance would make more money in his fifth year option than hurts is the next two seasons combined and more then the third year cap wise.

now something similar could happen with Lance too but he would get paid sooner and impact the cap sooner. I really don't care if we keep both of them, especially since if Lance is moved - we only have Brock under contract next year.

Originally posted by tankle104:
If Brock continues what he's been doing, he will sign an extension. So he's cheap as peanuts for the next three years and then you can do a similar bonus structure (3 bonus structure) that they did with hurts to keep him cheap for the next 5-6 years and give him a fat signing bonus. Hurts cap hits the next four years:
2023: $6.1M
2024: $13.5M
2025: $21.7M
2026: $31.7M

Doing something like that with Brock will save the team much more money than Lance would. Lance would make more money in his fifth year option than hurts is the next two seasons combined and more then the third year cap wise.

now something similar could happen with Lance too but he would get paid sooner and impact the cap sooner. I really don't care if we keep both of them, especially since if Lance is moved - we only have Brock under contract next year.

tank, I appreciate your work here, but let us realize, BP for 2023, 2024, and so forth, is coming in at like $900k. He is the cheapest QB1, in the game. So your numbers here, would they not come in play, more down the road? I think ppl are off base with the hand wringing, that BP will be benched, or will cost us a fortune, or should be traded.. let's get more in the real world, with stacking days, getting off the rust, and getting in a preseason game down the road, in preparation for that highly anticipated return to the field, vs the Steelers

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Lol are you making up hypothetical scenarios, where BP both turns into a pumpkin, then is moved to free up the chart for your preferred QB? Hope you have Madden preordered NY, so you can play it out, let us know how this goes

This whole conversation is hypothetical dude. I didn't start it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
If Brock continues what he's been doing, he will sign an extension. So he's cheap as peanuts for the next three years and then you can do a similar bonus structure (3 bonus structure) that they did with hurts to keep him cheap for the next 5-6 years and give him a fat signing bonus. Hurts cap hits the next four years:
2023: $6.1M
2024: $13.5M
2025: $21.7M
2026: $31.7M

Doing something like that with Brock will save the team much more money than Lance would. Lance would make more money in his fifth year option than hurts is the next two seasons combined and more then the third year cap wise.

now something similar could happen with Lance too but he would get paid sooner and impact the cap sooner. I really don't care if we keep both of them, especially since if Lance is moved - we only have Brock under contract next year.

tank, I appreciate your work here, but let us realize, BP for 2023, 2024, and so forth, is coming in at like $900k. He is the cheapest QB1, in the game. So your numbers here, would they not come in play, more down the road? I think ppl are off base with the hand wringing, that BP will be benched, or will cost us a fortune, or should be traded.. let's get more in the real world, with stacking days, getting off the rust, and getting in a preseason game down the road, in preparation for that highly anticipated return to the field, vs the Steelers

Brocks numbers won't change until after 2025 - so he will earn $1M or less at least through 2025.

He won't be eligible for an extension until after the 2024 season (when he has 1 remaining year left). So what they'll do is negotiate an extension to his rookie contract that keeps his 2025 salary where it's at (or barely any higher) and give him a fat signing bonus (signing bonus is paid upfront at execution of the contract but the cap hit of the bonus is spread throughout numerous years).

so what I'm saying is we will have Brock cheap for at least 3 more years and then they can sign Brock to a similar extension that hurts signed, where the first 3-4 years are very affordable. Giving us at least the next 6-7 years of cheap QB salaries. Brock will be paid upfront so he won't care about the cheap cap hit and the team can keep a strong team around him.

we could do something similar with Lance but understand Lance will come faster (especially if we don't sign the fifth year option).

Originally posted by tankle104:
Brocks numbers won't change until after 2025 - so he will earn $1M or less at least through 2025.

He won't be eligible for an extension until after the 2024 season (when he has 1 remaining year left). So what they'll do is negotiate an extension to his rookie contract that keeps his 2025 salary where it's at (or barely any higher) and give him a fat signing bonus (signing bonus is paid upfront at execution of the contract but the cap hit of the bonus is spread throughout numerous years).

so what I'm saying is we will have Brock cheap for at least 3 more years and then they can sign Brock to a similar extension that hurts signed, where the first 3-4 years are very affordable. Giving us at least the next 6-7 years of cheap QB salaries. Brock will be paid upfront so he won't care about the cheap cap hit and the team can keep a strong team around him.

we could do something similar with Lance but understand Lance will come faster (especially if we don't sign the fifth year option).

Good work, tank. BP is cheap as dirt, and it's a long ways as you say, until the extension convo even begins. And if he gets the big bucks, that means, good things have happened. So we should be thankful to have QB1, on such a sweet deal. Not upset or hand wringing over oh goodness, we may have to pay him, many years from now

It's basically the best current contract, in pro football, quite possibly.

Originally posted by tankle104:
If Brock continues what he's been doing, he will sign an extension. So he's cheap as peanuts for the next three years and then you can do a similar bonus structure (3 bonus structure) that they did with hurts to keep him cheap for the next 5-6 years and give him a fat signing bonus. Hurts cap hits the next four years:
2023: $6.1M
2024: $13.5M
2025: $21.7M
2026: $31.7M

Doing something like that with Brock will save the team much more money than Lance would. Lance would make more money in his fifth year option than hurts is the next two seasons combined and more then the third year cap wise.

now something similar could happen with Lance too but he would get paid sooner and impact the cap sooner. I really don't care if we keep both of them, especially since if Lance is moved - we only have Brock under contract next year.

Only SF doesn't do contract structures like this.

No one is talking about picking up a 5th yr option and even if you did you just bake it into the extension….same s**t they're gonna do with Bosa's deal.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Brocks numbers won't change until after 2025 - so he will earn $1M or less at least through 2025.

He won't be eligible for an extension until after the 2024 season (when he has 1 remaining year left). So what they'll do is negotiate an extension to his rookie contract that keeps his 2025 salary where it's at (or barely any higher) and give him a fat signing bonus (signing bonus is paid upfront at execution of the contract but the cap hit of the bonus is spread throughout numerous years).

so what I'm saying is we will have Brock cheap for at least 3 more years and then they can sign Brock to a similar extension that hurts signed, where the first 3-4 years are very affordable. Giving us at least the next 6-7 years of cheap QB salaries. Brock will be paid upfront so he won't care about the cheap cap hit and the team can keep a strong team around him.

we could do something similar with Lance but understand Lance will come faster (especially if we don't sign the fifth year option).

You have absolutely no idea what his numbers will be…he could want something like Jackson not Hurts. He could want a 4yr deal, so he could hit the market a sooner. He could got the Kirk route and just get tagged multiple times with high cap hits.

You need to look at all angles of this, not just the one that fits your narrative.

Like you can't apply the same contract structure to a lance to reduce his cap hit all the same lol. You absolutely can.

Talk is cheap. It'll be fascinating how our FO manages these three QBs, as all three are young with their best football ahead of them.

Do they truly believe Brock is a FQB? If so, then it makes sense to move on from Lance after this season as his contract next season will be too much for a backup and we obviously wont be picking up his 5th year option. Also, the fanbase has essentially given them a pass so far on the 3x 1sts for Lance trade, but if they let him go or trade him for peanuts compared to the original value, they better hope Brock is Brees.

If it's a wait and see approach, then I think they'll try to renegotiate Lance's deal and keep both for a few years.

What if Lance plays really well during the preseason and/or Brock struggles to start the season? What if Brock gets another season-ending injury and Lance comes in and plays well?

The point is, we don't have enough info right now. It seems pretty unlikely to me to trade Lance now for a 2nd or 3rd, as they won't help us win a championship this season and our pattern of QB injuries is what it is.

Then there's Darnold who could be very good, but our front office has the least invested in him. But all the national pundits seem to think he'll eventually be the guy here.

Don't we have 300 qb threads? I thought this was the training camp thread?