OTAs/Training Camp 2025

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think Trey will get his chance this year. Not wishing anything bad on any of our QBs, but 17 games is a long season. 21 games if you go deep into the playoffs. He'll have an opportunity to show what he can do this year and he'll (hopefully) take that opportunity and hopefully knock it out of the park. (Remember Kaepernick comming in for a concussed Alex?) If that happens - I hope the 49ers feel so good about him to take that 5th year option. Lots of hope in that statement - I know - but stranger things have happened.

We will see. If Brock is balling then we got are guy. I think at the very least Lance is the backup and can step in and win some games if needed. If Brock falters then lance will get a shot to see if he can be that guy.

I don't see the point in moving him this yr or next unless there's some sort of crazy offer.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
from Kyle about Brock's draft grade and film

"We were studying college quarterbacks [this offseason], and I know we're not taking any, but I just like to watch the first-round guys just so I can stack them up," Shanahan said. "In February, I went back and watched Brock's last game versus Clemson. I'm watching guys, trying to evaluate where they'll go [in the 2023 draft], and I thought, 'After watching these guys, let me go watch Brock again, just from college — not the NFL — just to compare.'

"I was like, 'Well, s***. He looks like a first- or second-round guy in college,'" Shanahan said. "We put him in the fourth round, I thought he'd still be there in the sixth, then we took him in the seventh. … Now it's easy to see. It's not like it just happened. He's always been a good player."

And yet didn't draft him until the last pick in the draft

He literally said they weren't drafting a qb.

I don't believe s**t with after that fact we had such & such a grade on a player. If anyone in here would agree it would be you lol.

kyle said played like a 1st/2nd rd QB, yet they had a 4th rd grade and he thought he would go until the 6th lol. They drafted a DB from Toledo, and IOL from Fordham and a DT who had a torn ACL over a QB…a guy that he thought played like a 1st/2nd rd QB? Come on now.

Kyle said Brock reminded him of Nick Mullens for god sake. hey I'm glad they got him, but give me a break with that stuff. No one thought he would be who he is. Not even our own coaches.

He said 4th round grade at the time. And I don't think Kyle would have drafted him were it not for griese and the other scout who who pushed for him. So I agree with you that Kyle is full of s**t. He was also full of s**t when he said it was Lance all along, only later to state it was between him and Mac. I've warned you not to trust anything Kyle says. Now you know

Agree about the gamesmanship that occurs during the draft. Also Kyle does not scout players, its the hired scouts that do that. Good thing both John and Kyle have hired some good ones and reward them well when the scouts guy gets picked or does well on the team.

On Purdy, I think the coaches work primarily with the scouts, and its the scouts that work with the analytics team to getting the actual metrics on each player in college, then they put the package together for the assistant coaches. Once all that is done, Kyle and John comes in and looks at their work and they see what they see and then on the offensive players Kyle does his Kyle Shanahan stuff.

Drafting is 60% luck - and we're just talking about the first round only. I think 60% of all first round picks are with another team or out of the NFL by the end of their rookie contract. (Or something like that). As the rounds get lower, the picks that stay with their original team gets even lower.

Picking Purdy was luck. They were going to take him as an UDFA. Getting anybody decent, let alone, a possible probowl player in the 7th is winning the lotto in my opinion. I think Brock is going to be a great player, so will Trey, let's keep BOTH for as long as humanly possible is what I say.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think Trey will get his chance this year. Not wishing anything bad on any of our QBs, but 17 games is a long season. 21 games if you go deep into the playoffs. He'll have an opportunity to show what he can do this year and he'll (hopefully) take that opportunity and hopefully knock it out of the park. (Remember Kaepernick comming in for a concussed Alex?) If that happens - I hope the 49ers feel so good about him to take that 5th year option. Lots of hope in that statement - I know - but stranger things have happened.

We will see. If Brock is balling then we got are guy. I think at the very least Lance is the backup and can step in and win some games if needed. If Brock falters then lance will get a shot to see if he can be that guy.

I don't see the point in moving him this yr or next unless there's some sort of crazy offer.

I agree that there is no point in moving him this year. But if we aren't keeping him past year 4, its better to try and get something for him next year rather than just let him walk after his contract is up.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I agree that there is no point in moving him this year. But if we aren't keeping him past year 4, its better to try and get something for him next year rather than just let him walk after his contract is up.

If he walks and signs a deal worth anything then it's a comp pick. Only way he's getting anything worth anything in a trade is if he plays and does something good this yr…and if that's the case you keep him.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

I think Trey will get his chance this year. Not wishing anything bad on any of our QBs, but 17 games is a long season. 21 games if you go deep into the playoffs. He'll have an opportunity to show what he can do this year and he'll (hopefully) take that opportunity and hopefully knock it out of the park. (Remember Kaepernick comming in for a concussed Alex?) If that happens - I hope the 49ers feel so good about him to take that 5th year option. Lots of hope in that statement - I know - but stranger things have happened.

We will see. If Brock is balling then we got are guy. I think at the very least Lance is the backup and can step in and win some games if needed. If Brock falters then lance will get a shot to see if he can be that guy.

I don't see the point in moving him this yr or next unless there's some sort of crazy offer.

I agree that there is no point in moving him this year. But if we aren't keeping him past year 4, its better to try and get something for him next year rather than just let him walk after his contract is up.

Yes, the starting asking price at a bare minimum would need to be a 3rd + another pick or player IMO. And that's if he doesn't play at all this year. I'd love a lot more than that, but he'll need to show some more good stuff on tape this year. Recency bias is real.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I agree that there is no point in moving him this year. But if we aren't keeping him past year 4, its better to try and get something for him next year rather than just let him walk after his contract is up.

If he walks and signs a deal worth anything then it's a comp pick. Only way he's getting anything worth anything in a trade is if he plays and does something good this yr…and if that's the case you keep him.

If he does get a chance to play this season and plays at a high level, there should absolutely be a true QB competition next summer between him and Brock.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
from Kyle about Brock's draft grade and film

"We were studying college quarterbacks [this offseason], and I know we're not taking any, but I just like to watch the first-round guys just so I can stack them up," Shanahan said. "In February, I went back and watched Brock's last game versus Clemson. I'm watching guys, trying to evaluate where they'll go [in the 2023 draft], and I thought, 'After watching these guys, let me go watch Brock again, just from college — not the NFL — just to compare.'

"I was like, 'Well, s***. He looks like a first- or second-round guy in college,'" Shanahan said. "We put him in the fourth round, I thought he'd still be there in the sixth, then we took him in the seventh. … Now it's easy to see. It's not like it just happened. He's always been a good player."

And yet didn't draft him until the last pick in the draft

He literally said they weren't drafting a qb.

I don't believe s**t with after that fact we had such & such a grade on a player. If anyone in here would agree it would be you lol.

kyle said played like a 1st/2nd rd QB, yet they had a 4th rd grade and he thought he would go until the 6th lol. They drafted a DB from Toledo, and IOL from Fordham and a DT who had a torn ACL over a QB…a guy that he thought played like a 1st/2nd rd QB? Come on now.

Kyle said Brock reminded him of Nick Mullens for god sake. hey I'm glad they got him, but give me a break with that stuff. No one thought he would be who he is. Not even our own coaches.

He said 4th round grade at the time. And I don't think Kyle would have drafted him were it not for griese and the other scout who who pushed for him. So I agree with you that Kyle is full of s**t. He was also full of s**t when he said it was Lance all along, only later to state it was between him and Mac. I've warned you not to trust anything Kyle says. Now you know

Agree about the gamesmanship that occurs during the draft. Also Kyle does not scout players, its the hired scouts that do that. Good thing both John and Kyle have hired some good ones and reward them well when the scouts guy gets picked or does well on the team.

On Purdy, I think the coaches work primarily with the scouts, and its the scouts that work with the analytics team to getting the actual metrics on each player in college, then they put the package together for the assistant coaches. Once all that is done, Kyle and John comes in and looks at their work and they see what they see and then on the offensive players Kyle does his Kyle Shanahan stuff.

Drafting is 60% luck - and we're just talking about the first round only. I think 60% of all first round picks are with another team or out of the NFL by the end of their rookie contract. (Or something like that). As the rounds get lower, the picks that stay with their original team gets even lower.

Picking Purdy was luck. They were going to take him as an UDFA. Getting anybody decent, let alone, a possible probowl player in the 7th is winning the lotto in my opinion. I think Brock is going to be a great player, so will Trey, let's keep BOTH for as long as humanly possible is what I say.

Purdy was 100% luck, just like Brady was. If you think a QB is any good you're not waiting til those rounds to draft him and when you get a good one that late it's purely luck.

My bigger issue is with what's happening with Trey if he's not QB2 or is traded for anything of low value because no matter what anyone says he got almost no time to show what he can do. And despite all the theories people have or what quotes they want to concentrate on we know the facts.

49ers traded up to draft Trey Lance at #3 overall.

That means the main decision makers evaluated their team, Trey and made the big time decision to invest in him.

Obviously it didn't kill this team. We went to two straight NFC Championship games and have one of the best rosters in the NFL right now and found a potential gem in Brock Purdy. Mistakes like that have doomed teams but the 49ers are coming out of this pretty damn clean.

The bigger issue for me is what this means in the future. How can our evaluation of Trey been so bad? And if it wasn't...then how can we simply throw him away because we found Brock? It makes no sense to me and I certainly hope that will not be the case.

I want Shanahan to be here for a LONG time and in order for that to happen I feel like he'll need at least one SB win. But if that happens eventually we'll need to replace Brock if he's our QBotF, Kyle better not F up that type of QB move again.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I agree that there is no point in moving him this year. But if we aren't keeping him past year 4, its better to try and get something for him next year rather than just let him walk after his contract is up.

If he walks and signs a deal worth anything then it's a comp pick. Only way he's getting anything worth anything in a trade is if he plays and does something good this yr…and if that's the case you keep him.

If he does get a chance to play this season and plays at a high level, there should absolutely be a true QB competition next summer between him and Brock.

Or he's the new QB1 and they move Brock lol. 49er QB stories are wild.

end of the day I think both guys are here for the life of their contracts. Unless they go rouge and get Kirk this off season (which doesn't make sense cap wise).

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Giedi:
20M is the option year value, that can be renegotiated if both are willing.

no.

The fifth-year option got a makeover under the new CBA. Each player selected in the first round of the NFL draft has a team option for a fifth season automatically included in his contract, which extends the four-year rookie contract to a fifth season for a non-negotiable fixed amount. Teams must exercise this option in the time after the conclusion of the player's third regular season but prior to May 3 of the following league year; the deadline for players drafted in the first round of the 2020 NFL Draft is May 1, 2023.

NFL.com

Trey has to prove it to ShanaLynch that he's worth a 5th year option. Otherwise they aren't going to execute a 5th year option. So Trey has to show his stuff this year, if he's going to try to be the 49er QB1 before his rookie contract expires. Brock, however, is in his way. Brock, for now, is locked in at QB1.

My point about keeping Trey on a 5th year option is because of injury. This team is notorious for being one of the most injured teams in the NFL. I think they can keep him for his 5th year option as insurance for Brock. Brock is only costing 1 million. They don't need to move Trey to free up Cap space or draft capital because of all the compensatory picks their getting next year and - in addition - all the past Front loading of the core players contracts. The Superbowl window is open NOW, let's keep the QB depth for the Superbowl together as long as possible, is my positon.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I agree that there is no point in moving him this year. But if we aren't keeping him past year 4, its better to try and get something for him next year rather than just let him walk after his contract is up.

If he walks and signs a deal worth anything then it's a comp pick. Only way he's getting anything worth anything in a trade is if he plays and does something good this yr…and if that's the case you keep him.

That's assuming we don't pick anyone up in free agency.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I agree that there is no point in moving him this year. But if we aren't keeping him past year 4, its better to try and get something for him next year rather than just let him walk after his contract is up.

If he walks and signs a deal worth anything then it's a comp pick. Only way he's getting anything worth anything in a trade is if he plays and does something good this yr…and if that's the case you keep him.

If he does get a chance to play this season and plays at a high level, there should absolutely be a true QB competition next summer between him and Brock.

Or he's the new QB1 and they move Brock lol. 49er QB stories are wild.

end of the day I think both guys are here for the life of their contracts. Unless they go rouge and get Kirk this off season (which doesn't make sense cap wise).

That certainly depends on the circumstances surrounding the reason for why Trey received the playing time and how far he takes the team.

Also, it wouldn't make any sense to move Brock with the contract he has.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, here it is - with Jesse Sapolu. We started out talking about training camp a little bit, Cameron Latu, Dwight Clark day and then dove into a bunch of questions, talked some line technique stuff, great stories. You have GOT to listen to the story at the end. He drops some little heard extras on the infamous Jerry and Deion confrontation the week of Super Bowl 29. One of the coolest moments of what I've done creating content was this interview - he was an absolute pleasure to have on.

That was fantastic! Thanks JD!!!! One of my favorite Niners ever for obvious reasons

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I agree that there is no point in moving him this year. But if we aren't keeping him past year 4, its better to try and get something for him next year rather than just let him walk after his contract is up.

If he walks and signs a deal worth anything then it's a comp pick. Only way he's getting anything worth anything in a trade is if he plays and does something good this yr…and if that's the case you keep him.

That's assuming we don't pick anyone up in free agency.

Correct. Depends what he signs for and how much they spend on a backup. End of the day there's not much in cap savings and it sounds like we're more into resigning our own (which doesn't count towards the comp value chart).

I just don't see any real value of moving him. At worst he's a backup. At best he's the guy long term if given actual playing time. They got two seasons to figure it out.

looking at that 'OR' on the depth chart like, now what?