OTAs/Training Camp 2025

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, here it is - with Jesse Sapolu. We started out talking about training camp a little bit, Cameron Latu, Dwight Clark day and then dove into a bunch of questions, talked some line technique stuff, great stories. You have GOT to listen to the story at the end. He drops some little heard extras on the infamous Jerry and Deion confrontation the week of Super Bowl 29. One of the coolest moments of what I've done creating content was this interview - he was an absolute pleasure to have on.

That was fantastic! Thanks JD!!!! One of my favorite Niners ever for obvious reasons

Mine too. Growing up, there were two lineman that I remember, remembering their name clearly. Jesse Sapolu and Derrick Deese. Sapolu because I thought he had a fun name and he was a beast out there. Derrick Deese because it made me think of geese.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We have 1 season to figure out if we want to trade him. And that's ultimately where this is going

Why trade him if you're getting absolutely nothing in return? No one is gonna do anything for a guy with one yr of his contract left, hasn't played and they don't plain on tagging. We save a little cash nothing outlandish by trading him next yr anyway…Any money we save in cap space will go right back into the backup QB spot that we just opened up by moving him.

unless it's something meaningful, I don't see the point. They wanted to develop him, welp that's what they're currently doing apparently. Unless we're now agreeing making a QB a backup isn't really developing

Correct me if I am wrong but we have until next May to decide whether to execise his 5th year option or not. We aren't paying him 20 million to sit on the bench. So unless he gets an opportunity to prove himself this season, we might as well try to get something for him rather than just let him walk.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We have 1 season to figure out if we want to trade him. And that's ultimately where this is going

Why trade him if you're getting absolutely nothing in return? No one is gonna do anything for a guy with one yr of his contract left, hasn't played and they don't plain on tagging. We save a little cash nothing outlandish by trading him next yr anyway…Any money we save in cap space will go right back into the backup QB spot that we just opened up by moving him.

unless it's something meaningful, I don't see the point. They wanted to develop him, welp that's what they're currently doing apparently. Unless we're now agreeing making a QB a backup isn't really developing

To try and get some kinda return on the investment we made. Dangle the 5th year option as incentive for a team to take the trade. I agree he has little value to our team. I think we should move him sooner rather than later.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
He said 4th round grade at the time. And I don't think Kyle would have drafted him were it not for griese and the other scout who who pushed for him. So I agree with you that Kyle is full of s**t. He was also full of s**t when he said it was Lance all along, only later to state it was between him and Mac. I've warned you not to trust anything Kyle says. Now you know

I just don't believe any of the after the fact stuff from any HC or GM. Proof is in the pudding. If you think he played at a 1st/2nd rd level (which I don't believe for a second and if Kyle thinks that, it's a problem with his QB evaluation because he most certainly did not) then it's a no brainer to take that freaking QB before the last pick in the draft….regardless of where you sit at QB prior.

If our QB coach loved him that much he would have been taken in the 4th where the supposed draft grade was. Instead they drafted multiple players that haven't amounted to s**t or were hurt before him. They lucked into Brock and we don't even know if it's an actual long term thing. Not even close.

I don't trust any HC man. They have bo reason to be truthful, especially when it comes to the draft. Again proof is in the pudding. If kyle really wanted Mac, he would be a 49er right now. He wanted Lance and he's a 49er right now. For me I was a fields guy, but totally got why Lance made sense. Unfortunately they f**ked up his development and he's dealt with freak injuries.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
He said 4th round grade at the time. And I don't think Kyle would have drafted him were it not for griese and the other scout who who pushed for him. So I agree with you that Kyle is full of s**t. He was also full of s**t when he said it was Lance all along, only later to state it was between him and Mac. I've warned you not to trust anything Kyle says. Now you know

I just don't believe any of the after the fact stuff from any HC or GM. Proof is in the pudding. If you think he played at a 1st/2nd rd level (which I don't believe for a second and if Kyle thinks that, it's a problem with his QB evaluation because he most certainly did not) then it's a no brainer to take that freaking QB before the last pick in the draft….regardless of where you sit at QB prior.

If our QB coach loved him that much he would have been taken in the 4th where the supposed draft grade was. Instead they drafted multiple players that haven't amounted to s**t or were hurt before him. They lucked into Brock and we don't even know if it's an actual long term thing. Not even close.

I don't trust any HC man. They have bo reason to be truthful, especially when it comes to the draft. Again proof is in the pudding. If kyle really wanted Mac, he would be a 49er right now. He wanted Lance and he's a 49er right now. For me I was a fields guy, but totally got why Lance made sense. Unfortunately they f**ked up his development and he's dealt with freak injuries.

That's certainly an opinion

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't believe s**t with after that fact we had such & such a grade on a player. If anyone in here would agree it would be you lol.

kyle said played like a 1st/2nd rd QB, yet they had a 4th rd grade and he thought he would go until the 6th lol. They drafted a DB from Toledo, and IOL from Fordham and a DT who had a torn ACL over a QB…a guy that he thought played like a 1st/2nd rd QB? Come on now.

Kyle said Brock reminded him of Nick Mullens for god sake. hey I'm glad they got him, but give me a break with that stuff. No one thought he would be who he is. Not even our own coaches.

I think the nuanced point to pull out is that this evaluation of players year over year is not perfect and players can be often overlooked for a number of human elements.

Originally posted by Shorteous:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I don't believe s**t with after that fact we had such & such a grade on a player. If anyone in here would agree it would be you lol.

kyle said played like a 1st/2nd rd QB, yet they had a 4th rd grade and he thought he would go until the 6th lol. They drafted a DB from Toledo, and IOL from Fordham and a DT who had a torn ACL over a QB…a guy that he thought played like a 1st/2nd rd QB? Come on now.

Kyle said Brock reminded him of Nick Mullens for god sake. hey I'm glad they got him, but give me a break with that stuff. No one thought he would be who he is. Not even our own coaches.

I think the nuanced point to pull out is that this evaluation of players year over year is not perfect and players can be often overlooked for a number of human elements.

And players sometimes get overrated cause they play on a stacked roster in D2

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
To try and get some kinda return on the investment we made. Dangle the 5th year option as incentive for a team to take the trade. I agree he has little value to our team. I think we should move him sooner rather than later.

So what swap late rd picks? Some sort of conditional pick? I mean what do you think he will realistically get? Why would anyone pickup his 5th yr option if he hasn't played any football?

he has little value anywhere right now. It's year 3 and by then year 4, if he doesn't play you got 170 random passing attempts of up and down play with multiple injuries. If he does play and plays well…then no way you move him.

he's got more value here imo. He knows the offense and players. They still eat half his cap space next yr in a trade and that extra cash goes towards filling in the backup spot they just created moving him.

my god if they can play out Kinlaw's deal why in the world can they not do the same for lance? We can't keep any QB healthy, been that way for like 20 yrs. Moving him for nothing would benefit Lance more than anyone else. Maybe they will be nice guys about it or something lol

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We have 1 season to figure out if we want to trade him. And that's ultimately where this is going

Why trade him if you're getting absolutely nothing in return? No one is gonna do anything for a guy with one yr of his contract left, hasn't played and they don't plain on tagging. We save a little cash nothing outlandish by trading him next yr anyway…Any money we save in cap space will go right back into the backup QB spot that we just opened up by moving him.

unless it's something meaningful, I don't see the point. They wanted to develop him, welp that's what they're currently doing apparently. Unless we're now agreeing making a QB a backup isn't really developing

To try and get some kinda return on the investment we made. Dangle the 5th year option as incentive for a team to take the trade. I agree he has little value to our team. I think we should move him sooner rather than later.

He has great value to our team this year but as stated above that value is diminished after may of next year if he doesn't became the starter.

I was going to ask how restructuring rookie deals work but realized that Darnold was brought in because he more closely aligns with a Purdy led offense. If Trey isn't starting I don't believe they would attempt to keep him as a backup option after this year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
To try and get some kinda return on the investment we made. Dangle the 5th year option as incentive for a team to take the trade. I agree he has little value to our team. I think we should move him sooner rather than later.

So what swap late rd picks? Some sort of conditional pick? I mean what do you think he will realistically get? Why would anyone pickup his 5th yr option if he hasn't played any football?

he has little value anywhere right now. It's year 3 and by then year 4, if he doesn't play you got 170 random passing attempts of up and down play with multiple injuries. If he does play and plays well…then no way you move him.

he's got more value here imo. He knows the offense and players. They still eat half his cap space next yr in a trade and that extra cash goes towards filling in the backup spot they just created moving him.

my god if they can play out Kinlaw's deal why in the world can they not do the same for lance? We can't keep any QB healthy, been that way for like 20 yrs. Moving him for nothing would benefit Lance more than anyone else. Maybe they will be nice guys about it or something lol

First of all I'm all for cutting Kinlaw I'm done with the C&C players. And I'm assuming a team would be willing to make a trade for Treys "potential" and if they control his rights and have cap room they can get a good long look at him.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
And players sometimes get overrated cause they play on a stacked roster in D2

Boom

it all comes down to people and as many can see from this forum alone, some people don't like to grow. They know what they know and nobody will convince them of anything else. If they are wrong it can be easily washed away and framed in new light.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We have 1 season to figure out if we want to trade him. And that's ultimately where this is going

Why trade him if you're getting absolutely nothing in return? No one is gonna do anything for a guy with one yr of his contract left, hasn't played and they don't plain on tagging. We save a little cash nothing outlandish by trading him next yr anyway…Any money we save in cap space will go right back into the backup QB spot that we just opened up by moving him.

unless it's something meaningful, I don't see the point. They wanted to develop him, welp that's what they're currently doing apparently. Unless we're now agreeing making a QB a backup isn't really developing

Correct me if I am wrong but we have until next May to decide whether to execise his 5th year option or not. We aren't paying him 20 million to sit on the bench. So unless he gets an opportunity to prove himself this season, we might as well try to get something for him rather than just let him walk.

Id rather take the hir on the draft pick and keep him as a backup QB this year

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
He said 4th round grade at the time. And I don't think Kyle would have drafted him were it not for griese and the other scout who who pushed for him. So I agree with you that Kyle is full of s**t. He was also full of s**t when he said it was Lance all along, only later to state it was between him and Mac. I've warned you not to trust anything Kyle says. Now you know

I just don't believe any of the after the fact stuff from any HC or GM. Proof is in the pudding. If you think he played at a 1st/2nd rd level (which I don't believe for a second and if Kyle thinks that, it's a problem with his QB evaluation because he most certainly did not) then it's a no brainer to take that freaking QB before the last pick in the draft….regardless of where you sit at QB prior.

If our QB coach loved him that much he would have been taken in the 4th where the supposed draft grade was. Instead they drafted multiple players that haven't amounted to s**t or were hurt before him. They lucked into Brock and we don't even know if it's an actual long term thing. Not even close.

I don't trust any HC man. They have bo reason to be truthful, especially when it comes to the draft. Again proof is in the pudding. If kyle really wanted Mac, he would be a 49er right now. He wanted Lance and he's a 49er right now. For me I was a fields guy, but totally got why Lance made sense. Unfortunately they f**ked up his development and he's dealt with freak injuries.

That's certainly an opinion

This isnt the alex smith situation I think the team did everything right in developing him Trey was unlucky and had a finger and ankle injury

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We have 1 season to figure out if we want to trade him. And that's ultimately where this is going

Why trade him if you're getting absolutely nothing in return? No one is gonna do anything for a guy with one yr of his contract left, hasn't played and they don't plain on tagging. We save a little cash nothing outlandish by trading him next yr anyway…Any money we save in cap space will go right back into the backup QB spot that we just opened up by moving him.

unless it's something meaningful, I don't see the point. They wanted to develop him, welp that's what they're currently doing apparently. Unless we're now agreeing making a QB a backup isn't really developing

Correct me if I am wrong but we have until next May to decide whether to execise his 5th year option or not. We aren't paying him 20 million to sit on the bench. So unless he gets an opportunity to prove himself this season, we might as well try to get something for him rather than just let him walk.

Id rather take the hir on the draft pick and keep him as a backup QB this year

He isn't going anywhere this year. We are talking about next off season if he sits on the bench all this season.

Originally posted by Shorteous:
I think the nuanced point to pull out is that this evaluation of players year over year is not perfect and players can be often overlooked for a number of human elements.

Absolutely that can happen. More often than not it all comes out in the wash though. Especially at certain positions.

No one can look at Brock's film in college and come away with the idea that he was playing at a 1st/2nd rd level. Simply not true.

also doesn't mean he couldn't prove people wrong, have a chip on his shoulder or whatever. We've seen late rd guys become great. It's rare, especially at QB but it's happened.

My point is I don't believe kyle's comments about Brock. You don't call him Mullens 2.0, say he's played at a 1st/2nd rd level then drafted him with the last pick in the draft. Proof is in the pudding, regardless of what is said.