OTAs/Training Camp 2025

So, here it is - with Jesse Sapolu. We started out talking about training camp a little bit, Cameron Latu, Dwight Clark day and then dove into a bunch of questions, talked some line technique stuff, great stories. You have GOT to listen to the story at the end. He drops some little heard extras on the infamous Jerry and Deion confrontation the week of Super Bowl 29. One of the coolest moments of what I've done creating content was this interview - he was an absolute pleasure to have on.

It is comically people here want to get rid of Lance ASAP when there are major uncertainties about Purdy's durability (let alone is ability to replicate this performance from last year).

Purdy is coming back from a surgically repaired UCL with an internal brace that to my knowledge has only been done once before to ironically an ex-49er Mullens (who is barely in the NFL). There is literally no history to say that he will last in the NFL without any setbacks, re-injuries, loss of arm strength after x number of games, etc. There are plenty of QBs with significant lower body injuries (ACL, fractures) as well as significant upper body injuries (labral tears, etc) that have come back to play for a long perio of time but no one with this specific repair of the UCL . There is no guarantee at all that he can last even this year with full strength. Hell can he play week 3 on Thursday after playing a Sunday game? (Right now he needs an extra day of rest) It's a little crazy how early he came back as reports from doctors were not to rush it. I really hope he isn't putting unnecessary pressure on himself to say he is okay so he doesn't lose the QB1 spot.

First few weeks will be rough for whoever is the starting QB (at this point Purdy) and he will be a huge disadvantage IMO. We generally start out slow, oline (outside Trent) looks the weakest it has been in a while so likely lots of sacks/missed blocks for running game (Banks missing time doesn't help, no Brunskill to rotate with Burford which means he may struggle early, McKivitiz has had multiple MCL sprains, Brendel did fine last year ).
Week 1 is away against a good defense and actual home field advantage and with our luck prolly s**tty raining weather which favors the weaker pittsburgh team.
Week 2 is lambs at their house prolly still healthy with Stafford still having a few brain cells left and I'm sure Kupp will be 100% to go. McVay looking to get revenge on Shanny as he knows his old team won't last for another SB run and he will retire at the end of year or next year.
Week 3 a short week against Giants (easiest game but short week). Hopefully we don't have any early injuries to our stars and if we do this game is no gimme.

Another comical point is Darnold being QB2. Dude doesn't know the playbook fully (literally impossible for a QB to know it perfectly this early in TC, even Purdy if he really knew everything that first year probably didn't get it all down until the later weeks of the season). Sam's play has been mediocre all TC with mostly checkdowns and him too scared to make a mistake, and he still talks about ghosts every chance he gets with the media (we are a serious organization trying to win a SB not a f**king clown show org like the Jets and Carolina where those talks are normal). Outside of Lance getting injured or playing like absolute s**t during the preseason he will be the backup QB. Not to mention Shanny probably wants his running ability for a few goal line plays/short yardage scenarios like he did Trey's first year with Jimmy G which did end up working quite well (First TD in Lions game, Packers running TD, etc).

Originally posted by tankle104:

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This is the way I see the QB situation. Assuming Trey beats Darnold out for QB2. If Brock continues to play exceptionally well and takes this team deep into the playoffs again. Trey will become trade bait next off season. If Brock, god forbid, gets injured again or struggles for a stretch, Trey will get another opportunity. Depending on how Trey performs and how far he takes this team, he will either be given back the QB1 or there will be a true QB competition next off season.

Why trade bait for next year? Trey's 5th year option is in (I think) 2024. You can trade him after next year. He might be even more valuable with another year of development (again assuming his current improvement trajectory continues.)

Cause his value to other teams would be higher if they know they control him longer. So in turn we get more value in theory

If Brock is truly Shanny's guy long term, I don't see us prolonging the inevitable.

I think the opposite, reason being is, if you think about it, would trading him help our chances at a Super Bowl? Would our depth be better or worse at the position? What real benefit would that be to us this year? Would we get great value? Is it worth the risk?

Right now it sounds like Sam has had a meh camp overall, starting decently and then fading. His NFL track record is not good thus far. He doesn't know the offense as well as Lance and is not the caliber of dual threat that he is either.

If we're being fair and honest, the upside, trustworthiness to make the right decisions based on understanding of the system, the ability to force 11-on-11 in the run game, and the ability to make plays off schedule when things break down all favor Trey.

It just seems like the most sensible idea is to have Trey as plan B and Sam (or Allen if something unforeseen happens) as plan C.

Most likely we would get poor value for any trade right now while simultaneously damaging our our strong QB depth. That's two pretty major negatives.

All that said, we'll see if anything changes during the preseason. I would be very surprised if it did, but you never know until these guys play.

The cap savings alone by not having to pay him 20 million to sit on the bench could go toward beefing up the O line and adding some more weapons for Brock. That is what would increase our odds of winning a SB. Betting on Trey to come off the bench to win a SB without any evidence of him even taking a team into the playoffs is a far stretch.

Also, this is based on Brock continuing to excel this season and Trey not stepping onto the field for any significant time. If Trey gets another opportunity to play this season than all bets are off of course.

I misunderstood you were talking about after this season, I was talking about this year. There is a valid argument for a trade next year in some scenarios, definitely.

This year though, it's just not logical and would more likely hurt the team than help it while also putting us at an incredibly greater risk of not being able to overcome an injury to Brock.

Agreed. Trey isn't going anywhere this year. We have seen a lot more good from Brock than Trey at this point. But its only been 8 games. We need to see Brock play an entire season at a high level before we ever think about moving on from Trey.

I think we need both guys this year honestly. Let's say Lance gets traded. If Brock gets hurt and Sam can't come in and keep us afloat, we're screwed.

I wouldn't even trade him for another player until after this year. We have picks we can use while still preserving our depth, and we can recoup those by trading Trey after the season if we so choose.

If we want to keep him on the roster for a fifth year, the only scenario where that would happen is if we declined his fifth year option after this season and extended him like the packers did with Love, just doing a one year extension at a lower price.

The fifth year option is kind of like a franchise tag. We don't have to use it, and it only makes sense in certain situations. People are acting too much like we'll be forced to use it to keep him, which isn't necessarily true.

If he doesn't play at all this year, and is still on the roster, I'm sure he and Kyle and John will have a long discussion about the options then. Those topics/options I'm sure would include: Would he want to be traded, would he want to come back and backup Purdy (assuming he's still firmly got the job on lock at that time), and would he want to be extended beyond the 2024-25 season or test free agency if they opted not to trade him next season either?

We aren't paying a backup 20 million and Trey isn't staying here just to be a bench warmer. Like I said in previous posts. If Trey has to come in at any point during the season for any stretch of time and play's at a high level, than it obviously changes everything.

We're both in agreement on that, that's why I keep saying there's no way we pickup that option. If he doesn't play this year and he actually wants to stay beyond next year and the team wants the same, they would decline the option and probably do a one year extension.

Look at the average salaries for NFL backups right now, most fall between $5-10 million. If Trey doesn't play at all this year, he'd probably fall in that range too or close if they tried to agree on a one year deal. All super speculative though. It's way early to really know.

Obviously yeah, definitely play time could affect that price too, as well as whether he'd even want to stick around.

Why would Trey want to sign an extension if Brock has solidified himself as QB1?

Originally posted by jonnydel:
So, here it is - with Jesse Sapolu. We started out talking about training camp a little bit, Cameron Latu, Dwight Clark day and then dove into a bunch of questions, talked some line technique stuff, great stories. You have GOT to listen to the story at the end. He drops some little heard extras on the infamous Jerry and Deion confrontation the week of Super Bowl 29. One of the coolest moments of what I've done creating content was this interview - he was an absolute pleasure to have on.

That was fantastic! Thanks JD!!!! One of my favorite Niners ever for obvious reasons

Originally posted by tankle104:
from Kyle about Brock's draft grade and film

"We were studying college quarterbacks [this offseason], and I know we're not taking any, but I just like to watch the first-round guys just so I can stack them up," Shanahan said. "In February, I went back and watched Brock's last game versus Clemson. I'm watching guys, trying to evaluate where they'll go [in the 2023 draft], and I thought, 'After watching these guys, let me go watch Brock again, just from college — not the NFL — just to compare.'

"I was like, 'Well, s***. He looks like a first- or second-round guy in college,'" Shanahan said. "We put him in the fourth round, I thought he'd still be there in the sixth, then we took him in the seventh. … Now it's easy to see. It's not like it just happened. He's always been a good player."

And yet didn't draft him until the last pick in the draft

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why would Trey want to sign an extension if Brock has solidified himself as QB1?

We're talking about 2 seasons from now. I don't understand the point of discussing that. A s**t ton of things will and always happens in that time frame.

if he gets the opportunity to start and does well, sweet resign him. If he doesn't do much in the next seasons, move on.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why would Trey want to sign an extension if Brock has solidified himself as QB1?

We're talking about 2 seasons from now. I don't understand the point of discussing that. A s**t ton of things will and always happens in that time frame.

if he gets the opportunity to start and does well, sweet resign him. If he doesn't do much in the next seasons, move on.

Because the conversion started off by me stating all the possible scenarios and it ended up in this direction organically. And if you do not like the direction of this particular conversation, you have every right to just ignore it.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why would Trey want to sign an extension if Brock has solidified himself as QB1?

We're talking about 2 seasons from now. I don't understand the point of discussing that. A s**t ton of things will and always happens in that time frame.

if he gets the opportunity to start and does well, sweet resign him. If he doesn't do much in the next seasons, move on.

Because the conversion started off by me stating all the possible scenarios and it ended up in this direction organically. And if you do not like the direction of this particular conversation, you have every right to just ignore it.

I'm just stating it's two seasons from now, just my opinion but the 5th yr option doesn't make sense to use at this point. I don't even know who is saying we should? They kinda lost that card by sitting him for a year and him getting hurt. That's why I said they should have played him from day 1. See what you got and what needs to be worked on. At the very least there's an idea of what's what. Spending all that draft capital to sit him was dumb.

they got two seasons to figure out if he has a future here. At that point either resign, tag or let him test the market. I'd say we will have a good idea by the end of the year. I'll be shocked if he gets tagged.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
from Kyle about Brock's draft grade and film

"We were studying college quarterbacks [this offseason], and I know we're not taking any, but I just like to watch the first-round guys just so I can stack them up," Shanahan said. "In February, I went back and watched Brock's last game versus Clemson. I'm watching guys, trying to evaluate where they'll go [in the 2023 draft], and I thought, 'After watching these guys, let me go watch Brock again, just from college — not the NFL — just to compare.'

"I was like, 'Well, s***. He looks like a first- or second-round guy in college,'" Shanahan said. "We put him in the fourth round, I thought he'd still be there in the sixth, then we took him in the seventh. … Now it's easy to see. It's not like it just happened. He's always been a good player."

And yet didn't draft him until the last pick in the draft

He literally said they weren't drafting a qb.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why would Trey want to sign an extension if Brock has solidified himself as QB1?

We're talking about 2 seasons from now. I don't understand the point of discussing that. A s**t ton of things will and always happens in that time frame.

if he gets the opportunity to start and does well, sweet resign him. If he doesn't do much in the next seasons, move on.

Because the conversion started off by me stating all the possible scenarios and it ended up in this direction organically. And if you do not like the direction of this particular conversation, you have every right to just ignore it.

I'm just stating it's two seasons from now, just my opinion but the 5th yr option doesn't make sense to use at this point. I don't even know who is saying we should? They kinda lost that card by sitting him for a year and him getting hurt. That's why I said they should have played him from day 1. See what you got and what needs to be worked on. At the very least there's an idea of what's what. Spending all that draft capital to sit him was dumb.

they got two seasons to figure out if he has a future here. At that point either resign, tag or let him test the market. I'd say we will have a good idea by the end of the year. I'll be shocked if he gets tagged.

We have 1 season to figure out if we want to trade him. And that's ultimately where this is going

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
from Kyle about Brock's draft grade and film

"We were studying college quarterbacks [this offseason], and I know we're not taking any, but I just like to watch the first-round guys just so I can stack them up," Shanahan said. "In February, I went back and watched Brock's last game versus Clemson. I'm watching guys, trying to evaluate where they'll go [in the 2023 draft], and I thought, 'After watching these guys, let me go watch Brock again, just from college — not the NFL — just to compare.'

"I was like, 'Well, s***. He looks like a first- or second-round guy in college,'" Shanahan said. "We put him in the fourth round, I thought he'd still be there in the sixth, then we took him in the seventh. … Now it's easy to see. It's not like it just happened. He's always been a good player."

And yet didn't draft him until the last pick in the draft

He literally said they weren't drafting a qb.

I don't believe s**t with after that fact we had such & such a grade on a player. If anyone in here would agree it would be you lol.

kyle said played like a 1st/2nd rd QB, yet they had a 4th rd grade and he thought he would go until the 6th lol. They drafted a DB from Toledo, and IOL from Fordham and a DT who had a torn ACL over a QB…a guy that he thought played like a 1st/2nd rd QB? Come on now.

Kyle said Brock reminded him of Nick Mullens for god sake. hey I'm glad they got him, but give me a break with that stuff. No one thought he would be who he is. Not even our own coaches.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
We have 1 season to figure out if we want to trade him. And that's ultimately where this is going

Why trade him if you're getting absolutely nothing in return? No one is gonna do anything for a guy with one yr of his contract left, hasn't played and they don't plain on tagging. We save a little cash nothing outlandish by trading him next yr anyway…Any money we save in cap space will go right back into the backup QB spot that we just opened up by moving him.

unless it's something meaningful, I don't see the point. They wanted to develop him, welp that's what they're currently doing apparently. Unless we're now agreeing making a QB a backup isn't really developing

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tankle104:
from Kyle about Brock's draft grade and film

"We were studying college quarterbacks [this offseason], and I know we're not taking any, but I just like to watch the first-round guys just so I can stack them up," Shanahan said. "In February, I went back and watched Brock's last game versus Clemson. I'm watching guys, trying to evaluate where they'll go [in the 2023 draft], and I thought, 'After watching these guys, let me go watch Brock again, just from college — not the NFL — just to compare.'

"I was like, 'Well, s***. He looks like a first- or second-round guy in college,'" Shanahan said. "We put him in the fourth round, I thought he'd still be there in the sixth, then we took him in the seventh. … Now it's easy to see. It's not like it just happened. He's always been a good player."

And yet didn't draft him until the last pick in the draft

He literally said they weren't drafting a qb.

I don't believe s**t with after that fact we had such & such a grade on a player. If anyone in here would agree it would be you lol.

kyle said played like a 1st/2nd rd QB, yet they had a 4th rd grade and he thought he would go until the 6th lol. They drafted a DB from Toledo, and IOL from Fordham and a DT who had a torn ACL over a QB…a guy that he thought played like a 1st/2nd rd QB? Come on now.

Kyle said Brock reminded him of Nick Mullens for god sake. hey I'm glad they got him, but give me a break with that stuff. No one thought he would be who he is. Not even our own coaches.

He said 4th round grade at the time. And I don't think Kyle would have drafted him were it not for griese and the other scout who who pushed for him. So I agree with you that Kyle is full of s**t. He was also full of s**t when he said it was Lance all along, only later to state it was between him and Mac. I've warned you not to trust anything Kyle says. Now you know