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This is the way I see the QB situation. Assuming Trey beats Darnold out for QB2. If Brock continues to play exceptionally well and takes this team deep into the playoffs again. Trey will become trade bait next off season. If Brock, god forbid, gets injured again or struggles for a stretch, Trey will get another opportunity. Depending on how Trey performs and how far he takes this team, he will either be given back the QB1 or there will be a true QB competition next off season.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

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Originally posted by libertyforever:

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I don't know if serious or not. But if this team spent 20+ million on a back up rather than surrounding a rookie 7th round contract with the most talent to play with that would be embarrassing.

I have seen this suggestion at least a half dozen times now, it assumes the guy is backup QB, and goes on to say we should pay him QB1 dollars, anyway. Blows my mind everytime..

It's the first I've seen it and yeah we know this is todays NFL championship window. Cheap rookie contract and surround that contract with expensive talent.

People keep saying we should pick up the 5th year, at $20m or so, I think that's where I am seeing it. They say we should do that, even in a QB2 role. To me that is for QB1s, only. For Jones and Love, those guys are in fact QB1s, and they aren't even getting the 5th year..

Yeah I'd rather 20 mil goes to a RT or Trent's eventual replacement

20M we can use to extend players like Aiyuk and Hufanga.

Yeah or that. Could you imagine if we let Aiyuk and Huf walk cause they picked up Lances 5th year lol

Yeah, you can trade for a left tackle, but a starting QB? Once your starting QB is gone, your season is gone.

I'm personally waiting to see if Trey is a starting QB

Jimmy knew the offense, and Trey does also. If Brock goes down, the season isn't lost if Trey steps in, even if he can't dislodge Brock for QB1. At least, in my opinion, the season isn't lost if Trey steps in for Brock. (knock on wood). Trading Trey and getting another QB that's one year away from being competent in Kyle's offense is (I think given the QB injuries to this team) well worth the 20+ million cap space.

I strongly disagree. But i respect what you're saying. I just couldn't accept spending 20 mil on a back up QB because we're planning for the worst possible situation to happen.

Losing one QB isn't the worst thing that can happen. Losing Four, is.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Jimmy knew the offense, and Trey does also. If Brock goes down, the season isn't lost if Trey steps in, even if he can't dislodge Brock for QB1. At least, in my opinion, the season isn't lost if Trey steps in for Brock. (knock on wood). Trading Trey and getting another QB that's one year away from being competent in Kyle's offense is (I think given the QB injuries to this team) well worth the 20+ million cap space.

trading him makes zero sense at this point. Reports of cutting him made even less sense

Agree, and actually keeping him for one more year (assuming a credible improvement) also makes sense. He's such a physically talented QB, why lose him or trade him for peanuts?

from Kyle about Brock's draft grade and film

"We were studying college quarterbacks [this offseason], and I know we're not taking any, but I just like to watch the first-round guys just so I can stack them up," Shanahan said. "In February, I went back and watched Brock's last game versus Clemson. I'm watching guys, trying to evaluate where they'll go [in the 2023 draft], and I thought, 'After watching these guys, let me go watch Brock again, just from college — not the NFL — just to compare.'

"I was like, 'Well, s***. He looks like a first- or second-round guy in college,'" Shanahan said. "We put him in the fourth round, I thought he'd still be there in the sixth, then we took him in the seventh. … Now it's easy to see. It's not like it just happened. He's always been a good player."

Originally posted by YACBros85:
This is the way I see the QB situation. Assuming Trey beats Darnold out for QB2. If Brock continues to play exceptionally well and takes this team deep into the playoffs again. Trey will become trade bait next off season. If Brock, god forbid, gets injured again or struggles for a stretch, Trey will get another opportunity. Depending on how Trey performs and how far he takes this team, he will either be given back the QB1 or there will be a true QB competition next off season.

Why trade bait for next year? Trey's 5th year option is in (I think) 2024. You can trade him after next year. He might be even more valuable with another year of development (again assuming his current improvement trajectory continues.)

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
This is the way I see the QB situation. Assuming Trey beats Darnold out for QB2. If Brock continues to play exceptionally well and takes this team deep into the playoffs again. Trey will become trade bait next off season. If Brock, god forbid, gets injured again or struggles for a stretch, Trey will get another opportunity. Depending on how Trey performs and how far he takes this team, he will either be given back the QB1 or there will be a true QB competition next off season.

Why trade bait for next year? Trey's 5th year option is in (I think) 2024. You can trade him after next year. He might be even more valuable with another year of development (again assuming his current improvement trajectory continues.)

Cause his value to other teams would be higher if they know they control him longer. So in turn we get more value in theory

Originally posted by Giedi:
Why trade bait for next year? Trey's 5th year option is in (I think) 2025. You can trade him after next year. He might be even more valuable with another year of development (again assuming his current improvement trajectory continues.)

We are getting a tad ahead of the calendar here. I'm just gonna focus as they say, in the parlance of these times, stacking days here. He just has to continue stacking days, and prep like he's the QB1, and let God, or in this case Shanny, sort it out

Originally posted by tankle104:
from Kyle about Brock's draft grade and film

"We were studying college quarterbacks [this offseason], and I know we're not taking any, but I just like to watch the first-round guys just so I can stack them up," Shanahan said. "In February, I went back and watched Brock's last game versus Clemson. I'm watching guys, trying to evaluate where they'll go [in the 2023 draft], and I thought, 'After watching these guys, let me go watch Brock again, just from college — not the NFL — just to compare.'

"I was like, 'Well, s***. He looks like a first- or second-round guy in college,'" Shanahan said. "We put him in the fourth round, I thought he'd still be there in the sixth, then we took him in the seventh. … Now it's easy to see. It's not like it just happened. He's always been a good player."

Kyle got lucky, the way Walsh and Bellichick and Reid got lucky. These hall of fame level Qb's don't fall out of trees. A certain amount of luck (I spell it W.O.R.K) is involved. He waited till the last pick in the draft, that's how lucky Kyle was. Vermile - same thing - he got lucky that Mariucci was a idot and landed Kurt before he called it quits.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
This is the way I see the QB situation. Assuming Trey beats Darnold out for QB2. If Brock continues to play exceptionally well and takes this team deep into the playoffs again. Trey will become trade bait next off season. If Brock, god forbid, gets injured again or struggles for a stretch, Trey will get another opportunity. Depending on how Trey performs and how far he takes this team, he will either be given back the QB1 or there will be a true QB competition next off season.

Why trade bait for next year? Trey's 5th year option is in (I think) 2024. You can trade him after next year. He might be even more valuable with another year of development (again assuming his current improvement trajectory continues.)

Cause his value to other teams would be higher if they know they control him longer. So in turn we get more value in theory

True, but for us, the super bowl window is small - do you want to have zero QB depth during our super bowl window? How valuable was Steve Young in 1989 when he ran through the number 1 defense in football and allowed the 10-6 49ers get a super bowl? If not for that run, the 49ers don't get into the playoffs.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
This is the way I see the QB situation. Assuming Trey beats Darnold out for QB2. If Brock continues to play exceptionally well and takes this team deep into the playoffs again. Trey will become trade bait next off season. If Brock, god forbid, gets injured again or struggles for a stretch, Trey will get another opportunity. Depending on how Trey performs and how far he takes this team, he will either be given back the QB1 or there will be a true QB competition next off season.

Why trade bait for next year? Trey's 5th year option is in (I think) 2024. You can trade him after next year. He might be even more valuable with another year of development (again assuming his current improvement trajectory continues.)

Cause his value to other teams would be higher if they know they control him longer. So in turn we get more value in theory

True, but for us, the super bowl window is small - do you want to have zero QB depth during our super bowl window? How valuable was Steve Young in 1989 when he ran through the number 1 defense in football and allowed the 10-6 49ers get a super bowl? If not for that run, the 49ers don't get into the playoffs.

How valuable was Blaine Gabbert to the Buccs when they won a Super Bowl? Who is the Chiefs back up QB?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
How valuable was Blaine Gabbert to the Buccs when they won a Super Bowl? Who is the Chiefs back up QB?

You actually answered your own question, it's Blaine Gabbert lol.. wherever he goes, SBs follow, I am seeing the correlation here..

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
This is the way I see the QB situation. Assuming Trey beats Darnold out for QB2. If Brock continues to play exceptionally well and takes this team deep into the playoffs again. Trey will become trade bait next off season. If Brock, god forbid, gets injured again or struggles for a stretch, Trey will get another opportunity. Depending on how Trey performs and how far he takes this team, he will either be given back the QB1 or there will be a true QB competition next off season.

Why trade bait for next year? Trey's 5th year option is in (I think) 2024. You can trade him after next year. He might be even more valuable with another year of development (again assuming his current improvement trajectory continues.)

Cause his value to other teams would be higher if they know they control him longer. So in turn we get more value in theory

True, but for us, the super bowl window is small - do you want to have zero QB depth during our super bowl window? How valuable was Steve Young in 1989 when he ran through the number 1 defense in football and allowed the 10-6 49ers get a super bowl? If not for that run, the 49ers don't get into the playoffs.

How valuable was Blaine Gabbert to the Buccs when they won a Super Bowl? Who is the Chiefs back up QB?

Have you seen the injuries to the QB's that Kyle's had to deal with?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:
from Kyle about Brock's draft grade and film

"We were studying college quarterbacks [this offseason], and I know we're not taking any, but I just like to watch the first-round guys just so I can stack them up," Shanahan said. "In February, I went back and watched Brock's last game versus Clemson. I'm watching guys, trying to evaluate where they'll go [in the 2023 draft], and I thought, 'After watching these guys, let me go watch Brock again, just from college — not the NFL — just to compare.'

"I was like, 'Well, s***. He looks like a first- or second-round guy in college,'" Shanahan said. "We put him in the fourth round, I thought he'd still be there in the sixth, then we took him in the seventh. … Now it's easy to see. It's not like it just happened. He's always been a good player."

Kyle got lucky, the way Walsh and Bellichick and Reid got lucky. These hall of fame level Qb's don't fall out of trees. A certain amount of luck (I spell it W.O.R.K) is involved. He waited till the last pick in the draft, that's how lucky Kyle was. Vermile - same thing - he got lucky that Mariucci was a idot and landed Kurt before he called it quits.

Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it), part of football is luck! Hahaha it's a great story though and I hope it's just starting! Would be so cool to have a young innovative coach and a young star qb to start a dynasty with!

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
This is the way I see the QB situation. Assuming Trey beats Darnold out for QB2. If Brock continues to play exceptionally well and takes this team deep into the playoffs again. Trey will become trade bait next off season. If Brock, god forbid, gets injured again or struggles for a stretch, Trey will get another opportunity. Depending on how Trey performs and how far he takes this team, he will either be given back the QB1 or there will be a true QB competition next off season.

Why trade bait for next year? Trey's 5th year option is in (I think) 2024. You can trade him after next year. He might be even more valuable with another year of development (again assuming his current improvement trajectory continues.)

Cause his value to other teams would be higher if they know they control him longer. So in turn we get more value in theory

True, but for us, the super bowl window is small - do you want to have zero QB depth during our super bowl window? How valuable was Steve Young in 1989 when he ran through the number 1 defense in football and allowed the 10-6 49ers get a super bowl? If not for that run, the 49ers don't get into the playoffs.

How valuable was Blaine Gabbert to the Buccs when they won a Super Bowl? Who is the Chiefs back up QB?

Have you seen the injuries to the QB's that Kyle's had to deal with?

That's what Sam Darnold is for not 20 million for a QB who hasn't played more than 8 quarters a season before getting hurt.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
How valuable was Blaine Gabbert to the Buccs when they won a Super Bowl? Who is the Chiefs back up QB?

You actually answered your own question, it's Blaine Gabbert lol.. wherever he goes, SBs follow, I am seeing the correlation here..

Priority signing next year