OTAs/Training Camp 2025

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Update: #49ers list former 2021 3rd overall pick Trey Lance and former 2018 3rd overall pick Sam Darnold as "Or" for the QB2 spot on the team behind 7th round pick QB1 Brock Purdy.

Will Lance manage to beat out Sam Darnold for the back up spot during pre-season?

Some reports… pic.twitter.com/GSqSvBXbfz

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) August 8, 2023

Nah, barring a Trey collapse in the Raiders game, my gut says Trey is QB2, and the real battle is between Sam and Allen for QB3.

This whole place is going to explode if Lance doesnt have a good game and darnold does. Lol

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I don't know if serious or not. But if this team spent 20+ million on a back up rather than surrounding a rookie 7th round contract with the most talent to play with that would be embarrassing.

I have seen this suggestion at least a half dozen times now, it assumes the guy is backup QB, and goes on to say we should pay him QB1 dollars, anyway. Blows my mind everytime..

It's the first I've seen it and yeah we know this is todays NFL championship window. Cheap rookie contract and surround that contract with expensive talent.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I don't know if serious or not. But if this team spent 20 million on a back up rather than surrounding a rookie 7th round contract with the most talent to play with that would be embarrassing.

It's just completely unreasonable. We are spending extra money now on QB depth because we're effectively locked into Trey's contract and his ability and Brock's health was/is unknown. Brock has his chance to lock up the position this season, and if that happens, they are going to spend very little on backups going forward… especially with our cap strapped roster.

Think 2 million guaranteed for Nate Sudfeld type money. That's what we did when we thought we had a set QB1 (though it obviously changed in a matter of months and we paid big backup money to Jimmy).

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I don't know if serious or not. But if this team spent 20+ million on a back up rather than surrounding a rookie 7th round contract with the most talent to play with that would be embarrassing.

I have seen this suggestion at least a half dozen times now, it assumes the guy is backup QB, and goes on to say we should pay him QB1 dollars, anyway. Blows my mind everytime..

It's the first I've seen it and yeah we know this is todays NFL championship window. Cheap rookie contract and surround that contract with expensive talent.

People keep saying we should pick up the 5th year, at $20m or so, I think that's where I am seeing it. They say we should do that, even in a QB2 role. To me that is for QB1s, only. For Jones and Love, those guys are in fact QB1s, and they aren't even getting the 5th year..

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Update: #49ers list former 2021 3rd overall pick Trey Lance and former 2018 3rd overall pick Sam Darnold as "Or" for the QB2 spot on the team behind 7th round pick QB1 Brock Purdy.

Will Lance manage to beat out Sam Darnold for the back up spot during pre-season?

Some reports… pic.twitter.com/GSqSvBXbfz

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) August 8, 2023

Nah, barring a Trey collapse in the Raiders game, my gut says Trey is QB2, and the real battle is between Sam and Allen for QB3.

This whole place is going to explode if Lance doesnt have a good game and darnold does. Lol

Draft picks are over rated so I dont care, just be 100% confident.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I don't know if serious or not. But if this team spent 20+ million on a back up rather than surrounding a rookie 7th round contract with the most talent to play with that would be embarrassing.

I have seen this suggestion at least a half dozen times now, it assumes the guy is backup QB, and goes on to say we should pay him QB1 dollars, anyway. Blows my mind everytime..

It's the first I've seen it and yeah we know this is todays NFL championship window. Cheap rookie contract and surround that contract with expensive talent.

People keep saying we should pick up the 5th year, at $20m or so, I think that's where I am seeing it. They say we should do that, even in a QB2 role. To me that is for QB1s, only. For Jones and Love, those guys are in fact QB1s, and they aren't even getting the 5th year..

Yeah I'd rather 20 mil goes to a RT or Trent's eventual replacement

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I don't know if serious or not. But if this team spent 20+ million on a back up rather than surrounding a rookie 7th round contract with the most talent to play with that would be embarrassing.

I have seen this suggestion at least a half dozen times now, it assumes the guy is backup QB, and goes on to say we should pay him QB1 dollars, anyway. Blows my mind everytime..

It's the first I've seen it and yeah we know this is todays NFL championship window. Cheap rookie contract and surround that contract with expensive talent.

People keep saying we should pick up the 5th year, at $20m or so, I think that's where I am seeing it. They say we should do that, even in a QB2 role. To me that is for QB1s, only. For Jones and Love, those guys are in fact QB1s, and they aren't even getting the 5th year..

Yeah I'd rather 20 mil goes to a RT or Trent's eventual replacement

20M we can use to extend players like Aiyuk and Hufanga.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:
To be devils advocate and argue the the Pro-Trey's crowd point of view -- they want a Patrick Mahomes. They see Trey as possibly somebody who can turn into Patrick. They want that athleticism, intangibles, and just raw power to oblitierate defenses the way Mahomes can. They see that in Trey, if Kyle will just allow Trey some more reps and a faster development. I see Trey as more of Steve Young than Patrick - but that's just me.

The Pro-Purdy side can see the Joe Montana/Drew Brees aspects of Brock's game. I definitely can see Joe's intangibles a bit in Brock Purdy's game. He's one intenlligent QB that makes things happen with both his arm and his mind.

As for me, I say let the chips fall where they may. As how Kyle is allowing it to happen right now. Have Purdy be QB1 and have Trey continue to develop to the point where hopefully Trey can unseat QB1 - if given the opporutnity. Kyle has both Trey and Brock on their rookie contracts for '24 and I think '25. I say keep them for both years and then let Brock/Trey walk when their rookie contracts are up and you keep the better player.

P.S. if Trey can accept maybe 20+ million after his 5th year option as a backup QB to Purdy - while Purdy is on his last year of his rookie contract - I'd take that deal in a heartbeat. The QB depth we'll have for the next 3+ years (if Trey is amendable to it and assuming Brock is QB1) - will be unmatched in the NFL.

I don't know if serious or not. But if this team spent 20+ million on a back up rather than surrounding a rookie 7th round contract with the most talent to play with that would be embarrassing.

Didn't they have a backup for Trey in Jimmy for almost that amount of money last year?

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I don't know if serious or not. But if this team spent 20+ million on a back up rather than surrounding a rookie 7th round contract with the most talent to play with that would be embarrassing.

I have seen this suggestion at least a half dozen times now, it assumes the guy is backup QB, and goes on to say we should pay him QB1 dollars, anyway. Blows my mind everytime..

It's the first I've seen it and yeah we know this is todays NFL championship window. Cheap rookie contract and surround that contract with expensive talent.

People keep saying we should pick up the 5th year, at $20m or so, I think that's where I am seeing it. They say we should do that, even in a QB2 role. To me that is for QB1s, only. For Jones and Love, those guys are in fact QB1s, and they aren't even getting the 5th year..

Yeah I'd rather 20 mil goes to a RT or Trent's eventual replacement

20M we can use to extend players like Aiyuk and Hufanga.

Yeah or that. Could you imagine if we let Aiyuk and Huf walk cause they picked up Lances 5th year lol

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Update: #49ers list former 2021 3rd overall pick Trey Lance and former 2018 3rd overall pick Sam Darnold as "Or" for the QB2 spot on the team behind 7th round pick QB1 Brock Purdy.

Will Lance manage to beat out Sam Darnold for the back up spot during pre-season?

Some reports… pic.twitter.com/GSqSvBXbfz

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) August 8, 2023

Nah, barring a Trey collapse in the Raiders game, my gut says Trey is QB2, and the real battle is between Sam and Allen for QB3.

This whole place is going to explode if Lance doesnt have a good game and darnold does. Lol

The Trey Lance thread will also explode if Trey has a great game. Some will ignore that it is only preseason...

Originally posted by Giedi:
Didn't they have a backup for Trey in Jimmy for almost that amount of money last year?

6.5 million guaranteed with incentives up to 16 ish, I believe.

And that was in a situation where QB1 was a question mark and a projection. We'll have a body of work at the NFL level for our QB1 in the situation you're describing… and he'll have to be paid himself.

Teams pay bigger money for backups when their starter is a question mark. When the starter is established they pay next to nothing.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Update: #49ers list former 2021 3rd overall pick Trey Lance and former 2018 3rd overall pick Sam Darnold as "Or" for the QB2 spot on the team behind 7th round pick QB1 Brock Purdy.

Will Lance manage to beat out Sam Darnold for the back up spot during pre-season?

Some reports… pic.twitter.com/GSqSvBXbfz

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) August 8, 2023

Nah, barring a Trey collapse in the Raiders game, my gut says Trey is QB2, and the real battle is between Sam and Allen for QB3.

This whole place is going to explode if Lance doesnt have a good game and darnold does. Lol

The Trey Lance thread will also explode if Trey has a great game. Some will ignore that it is only preseason...

Kyle is going to put more stock into the joint practices than the pre season game, IMO.

anyone know if media is allowed at the raiders joint practice in Vegas?

Originally posted by Giedi:
To a certain extent, neither did George Kittle at Iowa. So if Kyle saw something in Latu I'd wait for Latu's development. P.S. I think he switched from DE to TE about (I think) halfway into his college career, so it makes sense for anybody not to have seen him do much in college as a TE.

Kittle was at the very least an elite athlete. His sparq score was the same as OJ Howard in that draft. Kid was a freak athlete stuck in a run blocking position.

Fred Warner was another elite level sparq score athlete who was misused at BYU.

I thought they overdrafted Latu.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I don't know if serious or not. But if this team spent 20+ million on a back up rather than surrounding a rookie 7th round contract with the most talent to play with that would be embarrassing.

I have seen this suggestion at least a half dozen times now, it assumes the guy is backup QB, and goes on to say we should pay him QB1 dollars, anyway. Blows my mind everytime..

It's the first I've seen it and yeah we know this is todays NFL championship window. Cheap rookie contract and surround that contract with expensive talent.

People keep saying we should pick up the 5th year, at $20m or so, I think that's where I am seeing it. They say we should do that, even in a QB2 role. To me that is for QB1s, only. For Jones and Love, those guys are in fact QB1s, and they aren't even getting the 5th year..

Yeah I'd rather 20 mil goes to a RT or Trent's eventual replacement

20M we can use to extend players like Aiyuk and Hufanga.

17 million in dead money is gone by the end of this year, and the cap next year (if it goes up) by 1% (assuming the cap is 200 million) is 2 milion dollars, and (I defer to AB81) but it usually goes up WAY more than that in a typical year.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Update: #49ers list former 2021 3rd overall pick Trey Lance and former 2018 3rd overall pick Sam Darnold as "Or" for the QB2 spot on the team behind 7th round pick QB1 Brock Purdy.

Will Lance manage to beat out Sam Darnold for the back up spot during pre-season?

Some reports… pic.twitter.com/GSqSvBXbfz

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) August 8, 2023

Nah, barring a Trey collapse in the Raiders game, my gut says Trey is QB2, and the real battle is between Sam and Allen for QB3.

This whole place is going to explode if Lance doesnt have a good game and darnold does. Lol

The joint practices mean more than the actual game according to Kyle