SF 49ERS at Bears Pregame Thread - 2022 Season Week 1

As we approach a new season I took the time to look back on the 70 years I've been following this team. Here a some thoughts and highlights of those years.

In those days there were only 12 teams. Players didn't even wear face masks yet. It was pretty common for guys to lose teeth like they did in hockey. Players of course were smaller but the game itself was a lot rougher. Guys played with injuries more because if they didn't they got cut. There were no rules to protect them from being cut while injured.

I remember hearing Bob Fouts (Dan's father) calling those Tittle passes to Billy Wilson and McElhenny's long runs on the radio. We didn't get to see any home games on TV in those days. Very few away games either. My first game in person was when I was about 6. We went to Kezar and saw the Detroit Lions who were a powerhouse in those days. The Niners always had good teams and great talent but they couldn't quite make it to the top.

In 1971 I bought my first season tickets. This was the first year at the stick and was viewed as a big improvement over Kezar. As bad as it was getting in and out of the parking lot it was way better than trying to find a place to park in Golden Gate Park for games at Kezar. The first few years were good as Brodie was having his best years and the Niners were contending for the title. Then came the mid seventies and some really dark times. We sat there in the stands with about 35000 loyal Niner fans wondering if we ever would have a team as good as those guys across the bay. The Raiders were in their hey day and their fans would never let us forget it. It seemed like we would never have a good team again as we went through one coach after another and more QBs than I care to remember. Then Eddie D bought the team.

Most of us thought it was a terrible move to sell the team to a young guy with no experience as a team owner. He was the same age as me for Pete's sake. His initial moves were terrible but Eddie quickly showed the trait that would make him a great owner. He was impatient as hell and wasn't afraid to make changes. He dumped Joe Thomas, hired Carmen Policy and Bill Walsh and changed the history of the team. They went from being laughing stocks to the team everyone tried to copy. The west coast offense was virtually unstoppable.

I feel so fortunate to have been able to see every game during that period. It was magical and probably will never be duplicated again. We went to every game expecting to win no matter who the opponent was. I saw so many great players including every Niner HOF player in person from Tittle to McElhenny to Montana and Lott to Young and BY. Five SB titles. All those playoff wins. Ten win seasons were almost automatic. Montana seemed like he could always find the open receiver whether it was Solomon, Clark, Rice or Taylor.

In spite of all those wins my favorite game was against the Falcons when Jerry Glanville brought out a 5 foot tall trophy and set it on the sidelines during pre game warmups. It was supposed to be the West Coast Championship trophy since they had swept all the teams on the west coast the previous season. The Niner players all looked a that thing and laughed then proceeded to dismantle the Falcons 56-17. Niner fans were laughing during the entire game. I think the Niner players were too. I always wondered what happened to that trophy. My guess is the Falcon's players made Glanville eat it.

Players are bigger and faster now and rules have changed drastically over all those years but it's still football. I hope all you younger fans will be able to look back in 50 years and have all the great memories I have of 49er football. Unfortunately rising prices may keep many of you from being able to attend as many games as I did (nearly 400 counting playoffs) It's a shame that prices have gotten so high because it makes it harder to take your kids to games. Nothing gets a kid into a team as much as attending games in person.

Enjoy the season Niner fans. Go Niners!

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
As we approach a new season I took the time to look back on the 70 years I've been following this team. Here a some thoughts and highlights of those years.

In those days there were only 12 teams. Players didn't even wear face masks yet. It was pretty common for guys to lose teeth like they did in hockey. Players of course were smaller but the game itself was a lot rougher. Guys played with injuries more because if they didn't they got cut. There were no rules to protect them from being cut while injured.

I remember hearing Bob Fouts (Dan's father) calling those Tittle passes to Billy Wilson and McElhenny's long runs on the radio. We didn't get to see any home games on TV in those days. Very few away games either. My first game in person was when I was about 6. We went to Kezar and saw the Detroit Lions who were a powerhouse in those days. The Niners always had good teams and great talent but they couldn't quite make it to the top.

In 1971 I bought my first season tickets. This was the first year at the stick and was viewed as a big improvement over Kezar. As bad as it was getting in and out of the parking lot it was way better than trying to find a place to park in Golden Gate Park for games at Kezar. The first few years were good as Brodie was having his best years and the Niners were contending for the title. Then came the mid seventies and some really dark times. We sat there in the stands with about 35000 loyal Niner fans wondering if we ever would have a team as good as those guys across the bay. The Raiders were in their hey day and their fans would never let us forget it. It seemed like we would never have a good team again as we went through one coach after another and more QBs than I care to remember. Then Eddie D bought the team.

Most of us thought it was a terrible move to sell the team to a young guy with no experience as a team owner. He was the same age as me for Pete's sake. His initial moves were terrible but Eddie quickly showed the trait that would make him a great owner. He was impatient as hell and wasn't afraid to make changes. He dumped Joe Thomas, hired Carmen Policy and Bill Walsh and changed the history of the team. They went from being laughing stocks to the team everyone tried to copy. The west coast offense was virtually unstoppable.

I feel so fortunate to have been able to see every game during that period. It was magical and probably will never be duplicated again. We went to every game expecting to win no matter who the opponent was. I saw so many great players including every Niner HOF player in person from Tittle to McElhenny to Montana and Lott to Young and BY. Five SB titles. All those playoff wins. Ten win seasons were almost automatic. Montana seemed like he could always find the open receiver whether it was Solomon, Clark, Rice or Taylor.

In spite of all those wins my favorite game was against the Falcons when Jerry Glanville brought out a 5 foot tall trophy and set it on the sidelines during pre game warmups. It was supposed to be the West Coast Championship trophy since they had swept all the teams on the west coast the previous season. The Niner players all looked a that thing and laughed then proceeded to dismantle the Falcons 56-17. Niner fans were laughing during the entire game. I think the Niner players were too. I always wondered what happened to that trophy. My guess is the Falcon's players made Glanville eat it.

Players are bigger and faster now and rules have changed drastically over all those years but it's still football. I hope all you younger fans will be able to look back in 50 years and have all the great memories I have of 49er football. Unfortunately rising prices may keep many of you from being able to attend as many games as I did (nearly 400 counting playoffs) It's a shame that prices have gotten so high because it makes it harder to take your kids to games. Nothing gets a kid into a team as much as attending games in person.

Enjoy the season Niner fans. Go Niners!

AMAZIN

70 years. Catchmaster a true Niners OG.

Originally posted by FL9er:
Montgomery
Fields
Mooney
Quinn
Roquan
Brisker

Eberflus is familiar with Kyle, all the matchups with Dallas and Indy since Kyle has been our head coach as well as his time with other teams.

This should, and I stress "should" be the Detroit game from last year.

That game was crazy. JV goes down and immediately our secondary goes down hill. Some dude on Detroit was eating our DB's alive

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
As we approach a new season I took the time to look back on the 70 years I've been following this team. Here a some thoughts and highlights of those years.

In those days there were only 12 teams. Players didn't even wear face masks yet. It was pretty common for guys to lose teeth like they did in hockey. Players of course were smaller but the game itself was a lot rougher. Guys played with injuries more because if they didn't they got cut. There were no rules to protect them from being cut while injured.

I remember hearing Bob Fouts (Dan's father) calling those Tittle passes to Billy Wilson and McElhenny's long runs on the radio. We didn't get to see any home games on TV in those days. Very few away games either. My first game in person was when I was about 6. We went to Kezar and saw the Detroit Lions who were a powerhouse in those days. The Niners always had good teams and great talent but they couldn't quite make it to the top.

In 1971 I bought my first season tickets. This was the first year at the stick and was viewed as a big improvement over Kezar. As bad as it was getting in and out of the parking lot it was way better than trying to find a place to park in Golden Gate Park for games at Kezar. The first few years were good as Brodie was having his best years and the Niners were contending for the title. Then came the mid seventies and some really dark times. We sat there in the stands with about 35000 loyal Niner fans wondering if we ever would have a team as good as those guys across the bay. The Raiders were in their hey day and their fans would never let us forget it. It seemed like we would never have a good team again as we went through one coach after another and more QBs than I care to remember. Then Eddie D bought the team.

Most of us thought it was a terrible move to sell the team to a young guy with no experience as a team owner. He was the same age as me for Pete's sake. His initial moves were terrible but Eddie quickly showed the trait that would make him a great owner. He was impatient as hell and wasn't afraid to make changes. He dumped Joe Thomas, hired Carmen Policy and Bill Walsh and changed the history of the team. They went from being laughing stocks to the team everyone tried to copy. The west coast offense was virtually unstoppable.

I feel so fortunate to have been able to see every game during that period. It was magical and probably will never be duplicated again. We went to every game expecting to win no matter who the opponent was. I saw so many great players including every Niner HOF player in person from Tittle to McElhenny to Montana and Lott to Young and BY. Five SB titles. All those playoff wins. Ten win seasons were almost automatic. Montana seemed like he could always find the open receiver whether it was Solomon, Clark, Rice or Taylor.

In spite of all those wins my favorite game was against the Falcons when Jerry Glanville brought out a 5 foot tall trophy and set it on the sidelines during pre game warmups. It was supposed to be the West Coast Championship trophy since they had swept all the teams on the west coast the previous season. The Niner players all looked a that thing and laughed then proceeded to dismantle the Falcons 56-17. Niner fans were laughing during the entire game. I think the Niner players were too. I always wondered what happened to that trophy. My guess is the Falcon's players made Glanville eat it.

Players are bigger and faster now and rules have changed drastically over all those years but it's still football. I hope all you younger fans will be able to look back in 50 years and have all the great memories I have of 49er football. Unfortunately rising prices may keep many of you from being able to attend as many games as I did (nearly 400 counting playoffs) It's a shame that prices have gotten so high because it makes it harder to take your kids to games. Nothing gets a kid into a team as much as attending games in person.

Enjoy the season Niner fans. Go Niners!

This is how to get amped for a new season.

Originally posted by FL9er:
Montgomery
Fields
Mooney
Quinn
Roquan
Brisker

Eberflus is familiar with Kyle, all the matchups with Dallas and Indy since Kyle has been our head coach as well as his time with other teams.

This should, and I stress "should" be the Detroit game from last year.

Too soon

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by mojave45:
Not worried about Pettis or Fields. The condition of the "field "itself though…

Pettis will have to show me he is willing to run a proper route and catch the ball in front of our linebackers before I worry about him.

Pettis route running has always been pretty filthy but he's a soft as s**t.

True, about his routes, which is why I added "and catch the ball in front of a LB" and should have added "or one of our safeties". 😂

IT'S SEPTEMBER!! LETS GOOOOO NINERS!!!!

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
As we approach a new season I took the time to look back on the 70 years I've been following this team. Here a some thoughts and highlights of those years.

In those days there were only 12 teams. Players didn't even wear face masks yet. It was pretty common for guys to lose teeth like they did in hockey. Players of course were smaller but the game itself was a lot rougher. Guys played with injuries more because if they didn't they got cut. There were no rules to protect them from being cut while injured.

I remember hearing Bob Fouts (Dan's father) calling those Tittle passes to Billy Wilson and McElhenny's long runs on the radio. We didn't get to see any home games on TV in those days. Very few away games either. My first game in person was when I was about 6. We went to Kezar and saw the Detroit Lions who were a powerhouse in those days. The Niners always had good teams and great talent but they couldn't quite make it to the top.

In 1971 I bought my first season tickets. This was the first year at the stick and was viewed as a big improvement over Kezar. As bad as it was getting in and out of the parking lot it was way better than trying to find a place to park in Golden Gate Park for games at Kezar. The first few years were good as Brodie was having his best years and the Niners were contending for the title. Then came the mid seventies and some really dark times. We sat there in the stands with about 35000 loyal Niner fans wondering if we ever would have a team as good as those guys across the bay. The Raiders were in their hey day and their fans would never let us forget it. It seemed like we would never have a good team again as we went through one coach after another and more QBs than I care to remember. Then Eddie D bought the team.

Most of us thought it was a terrible move to sell the team to a young guy with no experience as a team owner. He was the same age as me for Pete's sake. His initial moves were terrible but Eddie quickly showed the trait that would make him a great owner. He was impatient as hell and wasn't afraid to make changes. He dumped Joe Thomas, hired Carmen Policy and Bill Walsh and changed the history of the team. They went from being laughing stocks to the team everyone tried to copy. The west coast offense was virtually unstoppable.

I feel so fortunate to have been able to see every game during that period. It was magical and probably will never be duplicated again. We went to every game expecting to win no matter who the opponent was. I saw so many great players including every Niner HOF player in person from Tittle to McElhenny to Montana and Lott to Young and BY. Five SB titles. All those playoff wins. Ten win seasons were almost automatic. Montana seemed like he could always find the open receiver whether it was Solomon, Clark, Rice or Taylor.

In spite of all those wins my favorite game was against the Falcons when Jerry Glanville brought out a 5 foot tall trophy and set it on the sidelines during pre game warmups. It was supposed to be the West Coast Championship trophy since they had swept all the teams on the west coast the previous season. The Niner players all looked a that thing and laughed then proceeded to dismantle the Falcons 56-17. Niner fans were laughing during the entire game. I think the Niner players were too. I always wondered what happened to that trophy. My guess is the Falcon's players made Glanville eat it.

Players are bigger and faster now and rules have changed drastically over all those years but it's still football. I hope all you younger fans will be able to look back in 50 years and have all the great memories I have of 49er football. Unfortunately rising prices may keep many of you from being able to attend as many games as I did (nearly 400 counting playoffs) It's a shame that prices have gotten so high because it makes it harder to take your kids to games. Nothing gets a kid into a team as much as attending games in person.

Enjoy the season Niner fans. Go Niners!

This gave me chills. Thanks for sharing and Go Niners!

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
As we approach a new season I took the time to look back on the 70 years I've been following this team. Here a some thoughts and highlights of those years.

In those days there were only 12 teams. Players didn't even wear face masks yet. It was pretty common for guys to lose teeth like they did in hockey. Players of course were smaller but the game itself was a lot rougher. Guys played with injuries more because if they didn't they got cut. There were no rules to protect them from being cut while injured.

I remember hearing Bob Fouts (Dan's father) calling those Tittle passes to Billy Wilson and McElhenny's long runs on the radio. We didn't get to see any home games on TV in those days. Very few away games either. My first game in person was when I was about 6. We went to Kezar and saw the Detroit Lions who were a powerhouse in those days. The Niners always had good teams and great talent but they couldn't quite make it to the top.

In 1971 I bought my first season tickets. This was the first year at the stick and was viewed as a big improvement over Kezar. As bad as it was getting in and out of the parking lot it was way better than trying to find a place to park in Golden Gate Park for games at Kezar. The first few years were good as Brodie was having his best years and the Niners were contending for the title. Then came the mid seventies and some really dark times. We sat there in the stands with about 35000 loyal Niner fans wondering if we ever would have a team as good as those guys across the bay. The Raiders were in their hey day and their fans would never let us forget it. It seemed like we would never have a good team again as we went through one coach after another and more QBs than I care to remember. Then Eddie D bought the team.

Most of us thought it was a terrible move to sell the team to a young guy with no experience as a team owner. He was the same age as me for Pete's sake. His initial moves were terrible but Eddie quickly showed the trait that would make him a great owner. He was impatient as hell and wasn't afraid to make changes. He dumped Joe Thomas, hired Carmen Policy and Bill Walsh and changed the history of the team. They went from being laughing stocks to the team everyone tried to copy. The west coast offense was virtually unstoppable.

I feel so fortunate to have been able to see every game during that period. It was magical and probably will never be duplicated again. We went to every game expecting to win no matter who the opponent was. I saw so many great players including every Niner HOF player in person from Tittle to McElhenny to Montana and Lott to Young and BY. Five SB titles. All those playoff wins. Ten win seasons were almost automatic. Montana seemed like he could always find the open receiver whether it was Solomon, Clark, Rice or Taylor.

In spite of all those wins my favorite game was against the Falcons when Jerry Glanville brought out a 5 foot tall trophy and set it on the sidelines during pre game warmups. It was supposed to be the West Coast Championship trophy since they had swept all the teams on the west coast the previous season. The Niner players all looked a that thing and laughed then proceeded to dismantle the Falcons 56-17. Niner fans were laughing during the entire game. I think the Niner players were too. I always wondered what happened to that trophy. My guess is the Falcon's players made Glanville eat it.

Players are bigger and faster now and rules have changed drastically over all those years but it's still football. I hope all you younger fans will be able to look back in 50 years and have all the great memories I have of 49er football. Unfortunately rising prices may keep many of you from being able to attend as many games as I did (nearly 400 counting playoffs) It's a shame that prices have gotten so high because it makes it harder to take your kids to games. Nothing gets a kid into a team as much as attending games in person.

Enjoy the season Niner fans. Go Niners!

Great post CatchMaster......

YOU ARE THE SAN FRANCISCO 49ers!!!!

Originally posted by 9erguy:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
As we approach a new season I took the time to look back on the 70 years I've been following this team. Here a some thoughts and highlights of those years.

In those days there were only 12 teams. Players didn't even wear face masks yet. It was pretty common for guys to lose teeth like they did in hockey. Players of course were smaller but the game itself was a lot rougher. Guys played with injuries more because if they didn't they got cut. There were no rules to protect them from being cut while injured.

I remember hearing Bob Fouts (Dan's father) calling those Tittle passes to Billy Wilson and McElhenny's long runs on the radio. We didn't get to see any home games on TV in those days. Very few away games either. My first game in person was when I was about 6. We went to Kezar and saw the Detroit Lions who were a powerhouse in those days. The Niners always had good teams and great talent but they couldn't quite make it to the top.

In 1971 I bought my first season tickets. This was the first year at the stick and was viewed as a big improvement over Kezar. As bad as it was getting in and out of the parking lot it was way better than trying to find a place to park in Golden Gate Park for games at Kezar. The first few years were good as Brodie was having his best years and the Niners were contending for the title. Then came the mid seventies and some really dark times. We sat there in the stands with about 35000 loyal Niner fans wondering if we ever would have a team as good as those guys across the bay. The Raiders were in their hey day and their fans would never let us forget it. It seemed like we would never have a good team again as we went through one coach after another and more QBs than I care to remember. Then Eddie D bought the team.

Most of us thought it was a terrible move to sell the team to a young guy with no experience as a team owner. He was the same age as me for Pete's sake. His initial moves were terrible but Eddie quickly showed the trait that would make him a great owner. He was impatient as hell and wasn't afraid to make changes. He dumped Joe Thomas, hired Carmen Policy and Bill Walsh and changed the history of the team. They went from being laughing stocks to the team everyone tried to copy. The west coast offense was virtually unstoppable.

I feel so fortunate to have been able to see every game during that period. It was magical and probably will never be duplicated again. We went to every game expecting to win no matter who the opponent was. I saw so many great players including every Niner HOF player in person from Tittle to McElhenny to Montana and Lott to Young and BY. Five SB titles. All those playoff wins. Ten win seasons were almost automatic. Montana seemed like he could always find the open receiver whether it was Solomon, Clark, Rice or Taylor.

In spite of all those wins my favorite game was against the Falcons when Jerry Glanville brought out a 5 foot tall trophy and set it on the sidelines during pre game warmups. It was supposed to be the West Coast Championship trophy since they had swept all the teams on the west coast the previous season. The Niner players all looked a that thing and laughed then proceeded to dismantle the Falcons 56-17. Niner fans were laughing during the entire game. I think the Niner players were too. I always wondered what happened to that trophy. My guess is the Falcon's players made Glanville eat it.

Players are bigger and faster now and rules have changed drastically over all those years but it's still football. I hope all you younger fans will be able to look back in 50 years and have all the great memories I have of 49er football. Unfortunately rising prices may keep many of you from being able to attend as many games as I did (nearly 400 counting playoffs) It's a shame that prices have gotten so high because it makes it harder to take your kids to games. Nothing gets a kid into a team as much as attending games in person.

Enjoy the season Niner fans. Go Niners!

This gave me chills. Thanks for sharing and Go Niners!

I'm glad you and others enjoyed it. I really mean that part about hoping you younger fans can look back 30,40, 50 years from now and have some similar memories. We live so much in the moment now that it's easy to forget what's happened before. Seriously, player s playing without face masks and smashing elbows into opponents' face. Now they can barely touch the QB.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
As we approach a new season I took the time to look back on the 70 years I've been following this team. Here a some thoughts and highlights of those years.

In those days there were only 12 teams. Players didn't even wear face masks yet. It was pretty common for guys to lose teeth like they did in hockey. Players of course were smaller but the game itself was a lot rougher. Guys played with injuries more because if they didn't they got cut. There were no rules to protect them from being cut while injured.

I remember hearing Bob Fouts (Dan's father) calling those Tittle passes to Billy Wilson and McElhenny's long runs on the radio. We didn't get to see any home games on TV in those days. Very few away games either. My first game in person was when I was about 6. We went to Kezar and saw the Detroit Lions who were a powerhouse in those days. The Niners always had good teams and great talent but they couldn't quite make it to the top.

In 1971 I bought my first season tickets. This was the first year at the stick and was viewed as a big improvement over Kezar. As bad as it was getting in and out of the parking lot it was way better than trying to find a place to park in Golden Gate Park for games at Kezar. The first few years were good as Brodie was having his best years and the Niners were contending for the title. Then came the mid seventies and some really dark times. We sat there in the stands with about 35000 loyal Niner fans wondering if we ever would have a team as good as those guys across the bay. The Raiders were in their hey day and their fans would never let us forget it. It seemed like we would never have a good team again as we went through one coach after another and more QBs than I care to remember. Then Eddie D bought the team.

Most of us thought it was a terrible move to sell the team to a young guy with no experience as a team owner. He was the same age as me for Pete's sake. His initial moves were terrible but Eddie quickly showed the trait that would make him a great owner. He was impatient as hell and wasn't afraid to make changes. He dumped Joe Thomas, hired Carmen Policy and Bill Walsh and changed the history of the team. They went from being laughing stocks to the team everyone tried to copy. The west coast offense was virtually unstoppable.

I feel so fortunate to have been able to see every game during that period. It was magical and probably will never be duplicated again. We went to every game expecting to win no matter who the opponent was. I saw so many great players including every Niner HOF player in person from Tittle to McElhenny to Montana and Lott to Young and BY. Five SB titles. All those playoff wins. Ten win seasons were almost automatic. Montana seemed like he could always find the open receiver whether it was Solomon, Clark, Rice or Taylor.

In spite of all those wins my favorite game was against the Falcons when Jerry Glanville brought out a 5 foot tall trophy and set it on the sidelines during pre game warmups. It was supposed to be the West Coast Championship trophy since they had swept all the teams on the west coast the previous season. The Niner players all looked a that thing and laughed then proceeded to dismantle the Falcons 56-17. Niner fans were laughing during the entire game. I think the Niner players were too. I always wondered what happened to that trophy. My guess is the Falcon's players made Glanville eat it.

Players are bigger and faster now and rules have changed drastically over all those years but it's still football. I hope all you younger fans will be able to look back in 50 years and have all the great memories I have of 49er football. Unfortunately rising prices may keep many of you from being able to attend as many games as I did (nearly 400 counting playoffs) It's a shame that prices have gotten so high because it makes it harder to take your kids to games. Nothing gets a kid into a team as much as attending games in person.

Enjoy the season Niner fans. Go Niners!

Very cool read. Honestly . Fun fact.. Jerry Glanville is the Head coach of the Alabama Airborn of the Major League Football lol

Originally posted by BMoore56:
Very cool read. Honestly . Fun fact.. Jerry Glanville is the Head coach of the Alabama Airborn of the Major League Football lol

Thanks for that info. I bet he doesn't bring any more trophies out for games.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm glad you and others enjoyed it. I really mean that part about hoping you younger fans can look back 30,40, 50 years from now and have some similar memories. We live so much in the moment now that it's easy to forget what's happened before. Seriously, player s playing without face masks and smashing elbows into opponents' face. Now they can barely touch the QB.

I am 38 and can only dream about seeing those early years in person. Have a deep appreciation for the history of this great game and most of all our 49ers. Some of these rules changes are frustrating but it is what it is at this point. Always appreciate the wisdom and insight from a guy like you! Thanks again.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
As we approach a new season I took the time to look back on the 70 years I've been following this team.
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Enjoy the season Niner fans. Go Niners!

I'm grateful for your fandom.
Early 70's vs. Cowboys heartbreaks we're my first connection.
That's what made the Catch so special.

Sadly, enough time has elapsed that all many fans have is a bad 2000's run followed by Jed moving the team to Santa Clara and losing 2 Super Bowls.

This game has the potential to begin a great new chapter. That's the perfect thing about 0-0. Anything can happen.