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Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Originally posted by Chance:
One guy I saw say that today in this thread, which you used to portray those of us who view Brock more highly in a negative light.
I just told you that it was more than one. On top of that, it extends to a larger problem......if 'you' think John Elway was average, then your opinion of QB play is irrelevant to me.
The same I'd say with a lot of these Purdy comparisons.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Originally posted by Chance:
One guy I saw say that today in this thread, which you used to portray those of us who view Brock more highly in a negative light.
I just told you that it was more than one. On top of that, it extends to a larger problem......if 'you' think John Elway was average, then your opinion of QB play is irrelevant to me.
The same I'd say with a lot of these Purdy comparisons.
I am ok with my opinion of QB play being irrelevant to you, Ricky.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I am ok with my opinion of QB play being irrelevant to you, Ricky.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by Chance:
John Elway was not average. Don't lump that take with those of us who think Brock's better than good.
It's not lumped in with anybody's arguments about Brock. It just reveals a lack of understanding of the statistics and the position.
Elway is a funny example because even a surface evaluation of his statistics throughout his career should point to questions about the validity of the statistics in the first place. Elway being overrated or average is a really common argument, and it's always centered around a comparison of his numbers (like completion percentage, passer rating, tds, ints etc) against his peers.
Pressure and sack rates across #NFL QBs
— SFdata9ers🏈📊 (@sfdata9ers) December 18, 2025
Brock Purdy has been in a league of his own at avoiding sacks, with Bo Nix coming in at #2. Meanwhile, Shedeur Sanders has faced pressure at an absurd rate.
Data: @pfref pic.twitter.com/7cGlqdtldK
Troy Aikman on Brock Purdy:
— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) December 19, 2025
"I think he's playing his best football right now. What I've seen without a running game is he's had to create a lot with his legs and he's done a good job of that. He's a real weapon. He's a much better athlete than he gets credit for. I like his… pic.twitter.com/LWbz1WSobL
Originally posted by Furlow:
How else would you measure QB's and how good they were/are? Their NFL draft profile and measurables? Elway was/is the greatest QB prospect ever coming out of college. As you pointed out, he did not perform well statistically to his peers. Perhaps a better example that won't trigger people would be Joe Namath, who is in the HOF but performed below average relative to his peers.
Anyway, not trying to derail the thread which is about Purdy. My point is that some fans simply fall in love with measurables and then overrate QB's with elite traits. They make excuses for their lack of success. Then do the opposite for good/great QB's who lack elite measurables. We've seen this for decades now.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Originally posted by Chance:
One guy I saw say that today in this thread, which you used to portray those of us who view Brock more highly in a negative light.
I just told you that it was more than one. On top of that, it extends to a larger problem......if 'you' think John Elway was average, then your opinion of QB play is irrelevant to me.
The same I'd say with a lot of these Purdy comparisons.
I am ok with my opinion of QB play being irrelevant to you, Ricky.
truth hurts. Have always agreed with SWH on this. I also thought Elway's ego was far bigger than what it should have been, given his overall performance as qb. Guy walked around like he was king s**t towards the end. F him lol 55-10
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Troy Aikman on Brock Purdy:
— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) December 19, 2025
"I think he's playing his best football right now. What I've seen without a running game is he's had to create a lot with his legs and he's done a good job of that. He's a real weapon. He's a much better athlete than he gets credit for. I like his… pic.twitter.com/LWbz1WSobL
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
#NFL Composite QB Rankings through Week 15
— SFdata9ers🏈📊 (@sfdata9ers) December 18, 2025
Brock Purdy claims the top spot. His ranks:
- Total QBR #2
- EPA/Play #3
- CPOE #4
- Bad Throw% #7
- Pressure-to-Sack Ratio #1
- Air Yards/Reception #10 pic.twitter.com/zTbPjvM6KM
FWIW he was playing against an inferior team. As of right now his numbers SHOULD look good. To me his best game was against Cleveland and Myles Garrett. His numbers could've very well have been crap against a top 5 defense at home in the cold.
That's for the season.
Originally posted by Kolohe:I understand that, I'm just pointing out that he played the Titans to add to his superb stats.After all he hasn't started a whole season so his stats can be a little misleading.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I understand that, I'm just pointing out that he played the Titans to add to his superb stats.After all he hasn't started a whole season so his stats can be a little misleading.
There are a lot of bad defenses out there. Cin, Wsh, both NYs. Cowboys were really bad to start the year. Every qb has had their opportunity to add to their superb stats against bad defenses
Originally posted by tankle104:
No, only Brock has had his chance to pad his stats. It isn't like Sam Darnold/Stafford/Arizona offense and everyone on those offenses are playing nearly the exact schedule we are. Every other team has played insanely hard schedule and put up great stats and performances against the best teams in the league every single week.
its not like the 49ers have the hardest SOS for the final 3 games of this season. Etc etc. lol
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by tankle104:
No, only Brock has had his chance to pad his stats. It isn't like Sam Darnold/Stafford/Arizona offense and everyone on those offenses are playing nearly the exact schedule we are. Every other team has played insanely hard schedule and put up great stats and performances against the best teams in the league every single week.
its not like the 49ers have the hardest SOS for the final 3 games of this season. Etc etc. lol
This is NFL football. Everyone is getting paid everyone has top tier talent. Big difference is coaching and that's it. Lots of teams on paper over and underperform what pundits think and over 14 games we've faced roughly the same challenges every other team has faced. Winning in this league is extremely hard and we've done more with less. Brock has played less than more and we're right where we need to be
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Originally posted by Chance:
One guy I saw say that today in this thread, which you used to portray those of us who view Brock more highly in a negative light.
I just told you that it was more than one. On top of that, it extends to a larger problem......if 'you' think John Elway was average, then your opinion of QB play is irrelevant to me.
The same I'd say with a lot of these Purdy comparisons.
I am ok with my opinion of QB play being irrelevant to you, Ricky.
But Elway was on the average side though
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Troy Aikman on Brock Purdy:
— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) December 19, 2025
"I think he's playing his best football right now. What I've seen without a running game is he's had to create a lot with his legs and he's done a good job of that. He's a real weapon. He's a much better athlete than he gets credit for. I like his… pic.twitter.com/LWbz1WSobL
Have always thought Purdy's athleticism has not gotten as much credit as it should. I am glad to see lizard Purdy again cause we are gunna need that the rest of the season.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Elway has some iconic moments like "the drive" and the diving helicopter run in the Super Bowl. He could throw the ball a mile so there are also some incredible highlights. Those get replayed over and over and you combine that with his measurables and draft profile, and people simply look back on him as "great." The truth is he just didn't ever perform great statistically, even relative to his peers. Check out his stats in his MVP season of 1987, then compare those stats to Montana (and even Rice) in 1987. It's a complete joke that Elway was voted MVP.
Back to Purdy lol. I agree it's great seeing him use his legs to extend plays and avoid sacks. Mac Jones did a solid job stepping in but the difference with Purdy is glaringly obvious. Even from a pure ability and measurables standpoint, Purdy is superior. If that doesn't prove how flawed the draft process is, I'm not sure what will.