QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
If Burrow became available for two 1sts in the offseason - you do it. Period.

Only scenario to not do it is if Brock wins us the Super Bowl this year.

Or we can let the Rams do it again like with Stafford and give up the two 1sts for Burrow and win another Super Bowl for the Rams.

Brock played great on Sunday - but we have not been accustomed to seeing performances like that from him the last 20 games he started. Hopefully he can resurrect 2022-2023 Brock for this stretch run as I've been waiting to see it return consistently.

Let's see how he does against the Bears and Seahawks and in the playoffs and see if the 1st 20 games of his career Brock is back or will he revert to his last 20 game form.

All we want is for him to play like he did on Sunday and do it more often than not. Like his first 20 games starting. If he does nobody will complain.

What is that value based on though? Why is the gap between Burrow and Purdy two 1st round picks worth?

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
If Purdy can play and look as comfortable as he did against the Titans for the rest of the season and into the playoffs, I like our chances.

I am just concerned about our D, would like our chances more with Warner and/or Bosa . Our D is so hit and miss idk if they can win an SB. I mean, how the heck would our D stop some dude named Puka? I hate that guy cause he is so good on a team I cannot stand. He is totally on fire too . But one game at a time, next will be Prime Time Purdy

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
If Purdy can play and look as comfortable as he did against the Titans for the rest of the season and into the playoffs, I like our chances.

I am just concerned about our D, would like our chances more with Warner and/or Bosa . Our D is so hit and miss idk if they can win an SB. I mean, how the heck would our D stop some dude named Puka? I hate that guy cause he is so good on a team I cannot stand. He is totally on fire too . But one game at a time, next will be Prime Time Purdy

I see where you're coming from, but to me I have faith in Saleh doing enough to stop whomever we're playing as long as Purdy and our offense can keep churning along. Our team that plays with Saleh's defense and doesn't turn the ball over is hard to beat. I'm banking on that if we can produce.

Drew Brees has often been used as a comp for Purdy. Similar size, similar arm strength, etc.

So I pulled up some data on the two:

Lifetime completion percentage:
Brees - 67
Purdy - 69.6

TD/Int. %
Brees - 2.35 (among the best ever)
Purdy - 2.24

Career passer rating
Brees - 98.7
Purdy - 103

I know raw data isn't everything but it does give some insight into our guy.

Originally posted by dj43:
Drew Brees has often been used as a comp for Purdy. Similar size, similar arm strength, etc.

So I pulled up some data on the two:

Lifetime completion percentage:
Brees - 67
Purdy - 69.6

TD/Int. %
Brees - 2.35 (among the best ever)
Purdy - 2.24

Career passer rating
Brees - 98.7
Purdy - 103

I know raw data isn't everything but it does give some insight into our guy.

Actually, it doesn't. The Brees comparison, much like the Burrow case, is based on incredibly flawed logic IMO. As I've stated before, you cannot compare these QB's simply based on what is asked of them, and what the opposing defenses do when they played against these QB's.

With Purdy, he is operating a run-first, play action offense, and every defense that Purdy has ever faced gears up against CMC and the rushing attack first. It does not really matter at this point that the running attack is not at its usual standards under Shanahan, but those are the facts. Purdy has shown he can play above the x's and o's, unlike other guys that KS has sent out at QB, but there are still limitations, and until we see it consistently like you did with Brees and do see with Burrow, he's just not on the level of those guys.

With Brees and Burrow, it is the exact opposite. Those guys are running a pass-first offense, and every single defense that those guys go against, they are game planning to stop the passing game first and foremost....and they still tear it up. While Purdy is attempting for the most part 25 to 30 passes a game for around 450 per year, Burrow and Brees are/were constantly putting up 35-44+ times or around 600-650+ attempts per year.

You can't sit back and extrapolate numbers and say 'if Purdy threw as much as those guys did, he'd have the same numbers'....it doesn't work that way at all. It's really night and day. Purdy is a good QB and a good fit us....maybe he's a top 10 guy today....I don't know, nor really care. Burrow is an elite QB who is on a dumpster franchise, but still managed to guide them to a Super Bowl trip. Drew Brees walks into the HOF on the first ballot. There really is no legit comparison.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Actually, it doesn't. The Brees comparison, much like the Burrow case, is based on incredibly flawed logic IMO. As I've stated before, you cannot compare these QB's simply based on what is asked of them, and what the opposing defenses do when they played against these QB's.

With Purdy, he is operating a run-first, play action offense, and every defense that Purdy has ever faced gears up against CMC and the rushing attack first. It does not really matter at this point that the running attack is not at its usual standards under Shanahan, but those are the facts. Purdy has shown he can play above the x's and o's, unlike other guys that KS has sent out at QB, but there are still limitations, and until we see it consistently like you did with Brees and do see with Burrow, he's just not on the level of those guys.

With Brees and Burrow, it is the exact opposite. Those guys are running a pass-first offense, and every single defense that those guys go against, they are game planning to stop the passing game first and foremost....and they still tear it up. While Purdy is attempting for the most part 25 to 30 passes a game for around 450 per year, Burrow and Brees are/were constantly putting up 35-44+ times or around 600-650+ attempts per year.

You can't sit back and extrapolate numbers and say 'if Purdy threw as much as those guys did, he'd have the same numbers'....it doesn't work that way at all. It's really night and day. Purdy is a good QB and a good fit us....maybe he's a top 10 guy today....I don't know, nor really care. Burrow is an elite QB who is on a dumpster franchise, but still managed to guide them to a Super Bowl trip. Drew Brees walks into the HOF on the first ballot. There really is no legit comparison.

lol nobody is saying Purdy is better than Drew Brees. He's using the numbers to show that Purdy is a lot better than most people will give him credit for.

Fans and media have a weird obsession with demanding a QB be great with zero talent around them if they want to truly be considered elite. 49ers fans in particular should never buy into that nonsense, considering we have to hear the idiotic arguments about how Montana and Young had Bill Walsh Jerry Rice to inflate their performance.

Burrow being considered "elite" is pure narrative and draft pedigree. He's had two star WR's his entire career, but people like you make the narrative that he's on a "dumpster franchise", and he carries them.

Joe Burrow has done nothing to separate himself from Brock Purdy, both from a statistical standpoint and a winning standpoint. If Burrow had been a late round pick nobody would say we should trade two 1sts to get him to replace Purdy.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:
Actually, it doesn't. The Brees comparison, much like the Burrow case, is based on incredibly flawed logic IMO. As I've stated before, you cannot compare these QB's simply based on what is asked of them, and what the opposing defenses do when they played against these QB's.

With Purdy, he is operating a run-first, play action offense, and every defense that Purdy has ever faced gears up against CMC and the rushing attack first. It does not really matter at this point that the running attack is not at its usual standards under Shanahan, but those are the facts. Purdy has shown he can play above the x's and o's, unlike other guys that KS has sent out at QB, but there are still limitations, and until we see it consistently like you did with Brees and do see with Burrow, he's just not on the level of those guys.

With Brees and Burrow, it is the exact opposite. Those guys are running a pass-first offense, and every single defense that those guys go against, they are game planning to stop the passing game first and foremost....and they still tear it up. While Purdy is attempting for the most part 25 to 30 passes a game for around 450 per year, Burrow and Brees are/were constantly putting up 35-44+ times or around 600-650+ attempts per year.

You can't sit back and extrapolate numbers and say 'if Purdy threw as much as those guys did, he'd have the same numbers'....it doesn't work that way at all. It's really night and day. Purdy is a good QB and a good fit us....maybe he's a top 10 guy today....I don't know, nor really care. Burrow is an elite QB who is on a dumpster franchise, but still managed to guide them to a Super Bowl trip. Drew Brees walks into the HOF on the first ballot. There really is no legit comparison.

lol nobody is saying Purdy is better than Drew Brees. He's using the numbers to show that Purdy is a lot better than most people will give him credit for.

Fans and media have a weird obsession with demanding a QB be great with zero talent around them if they want to truly be considered elite. 49ers fans in particular should never buy into that nonsense, considering we have to hear the idiotic arguments about how Montana and Young had Bill Walsh Jerry Rice to inflate their performance.

Burrow being considered "elite" is pure narrative and draft pedigree. He's had two star WR's his entire career, but people like you make the narrative that he's on a "dumpster franchise", and he carries them.

Joe Burrow has done nothing to separate himself from Brock Purdy, both from a statistical standpoint and a winning standpoint. If Burrow had been a late round pick nobody would say we should trade two 1sts to get him to replace Purdy.

Two great recievers diesn't make a good franchise. The Bengals O line has been problematoc for some time and their defense is average at best. It's a poorly run franchise with poor ownership.

Burrow the victim

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by dj43:
Drew Brees has often been used as a comp for Purdy. Similar size, similar arm strength, etc.

So I pulled up some data on the two:

Lifetime completion percentage:
Brees - 67
Purdy - 69.6

TD/Int. %
Brees - 2.35 (among the best ever)
Purdy - 2.24

Career passer rating
Brees - 98.7
Purdy - 103

I know raw data isn't everything but it does give some insight into our guy.

Actually, it doesn't. The Brees comparison, much like the Burrow case, is based on incredibly flawed logic IMO. As I've stated before, you cannot compare these QB's simply based on what is asked of them, and what the opposing defenses do when they played against these QB's.

With Purdy, he is operating a run-first, play action offense, and every defense that Purdy has ever faced gears up against CMC and the rushing attack first. It does not really matter at this point that the running attack is not at its usual standards under Shanahan, but those are the facts. Purdy has shown he can play above the x's and o's, unlike other guys that KS has sent out at QB, but there are still limitations, and until we see it consistently like you did with Brees and do see with Burrow, he's just not on the level of those guys.

With Brees and Burrow, it is the exact opposite. Those guys are running a pass-first offense, and every single defense that those guys go against, they are game planning to stop the passing game first and foremost....and they still tear it up. While Purdy is attempting for the most part 25 to 30 passes a game for around 450 per year, Burrow and Brees are/were constantly putting up 35-44+ times or around 600-650+ attempts per year.

You can't sit back and extrapolate numbers and say 'if Purdy threw as much as those guys did, he'd have the same numbers'....it doesn't work that way at all. It's really night and day. Purdy is a good QB and a good fit us....maybe he's a top 10 guy today....I don't know, nor really care. Burrow is an elite QB who is on a dumpster franchise, but still managed to guide them to a Super Bowl trip. Drew Brees walks into the HOF on the first ballot. There really is no legit comparison.

Go back to my opening line drawing on the physical comparison between the two. (You brought Joe Burrow into the conversation but he does not belong here. Burrow is a much more physically gifted player than either Brees or Purdy.) Purdy's detractors, here and in the national media, point to the same measurements that Brees had.. I remember when the Chargers let him go in large part because they felt he would never overcome those limitations. Of course, time has proven them wrong, as I believe it will with Purdy. Not that I am predicting a HOF career for him but that his physical limitations will not be the insurmountable barrier some want to put in his path.

Recent posts have focused on Purdy's "YOLO" passes, whatever that is, as if it is a constant detriment. Any pass that is intercepted is a detriment whether it is a throw into an exceedingly tight window or just a great move by a defender. Raw data does not separate those but it does provide a worthwhile basis for comparison. Brees is notable for a very good TD/Int ratio. Size or lack of arm strength didn't limit Brees. Purdy's numbers put him in that same conversation.

Offensive systems do come into play at some point but there were years when Brees had a solid run game to back him. In the end, it was consistency that will put Brees in the HOF. Only time will tell if Purdy will travel the same route. In the meantime, the "size" narrative needs to take a vacation.

Originally posted by Montana:
Burrow the victim

He's such a big, strong guy. He just should not be getting hurt so much. What is wrong with him?

Originally posted by dj43:
Go back to my opening line drawing on the physical comparison between the two. (You brought Joe Burrow into the conversation but he does not belong here. Burrow is a much more physically gifted player than either Brees or Purdy.) Purdy's detractors, here and in the national media, point to the same measurements that Brees had.. I remember when the Chargers let him go in large part because they felt he would never overcome those limitations. Of course, time has proven them wrong, as I believe it will with Purdy. Not that I am predicting a HOF career for him but that his physical limitations will not be the insurmountable barrier some want to put in his path.

Recent posts have focused on Purdy's "YOLO" passes, whatever that is, as if it is a constant detriment. Any pass that is intercepted is a detriment whether it is a throw into an exceedingly tight window or just a great move by a defender. Raw data does not separate those but it does provide a worthwhile basis for comparison. Brees is notable for a very good TD/Int ratio. Size or lack of arm strength didn't limit Brees. Purdy's numbers put him in that same conversation.

Offensive systems do come into play at some point but there were years when Brees had a solid run game to back him. In the end, it was consistency that will put Brees in the HOF. Only time will tell if Purdy will travel the same route. In the meantime, the "size" narrative needs to take a vacation.

I don't think they let him go because of talent limitations. He suffered a serious injury on his throwing shoulder and they had Rivers waiting in the wings, who they drafted after Brees struggled in his first two years as a starter. They still offered him a contract as well.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by dj43:
Go back to my opening line drawing on the physical comparison between the two. (You brought Joe Burrow into the conversation but he does not belong here. Burrow is a much more physically gifted player than either Brees or Purdy.) Purdy's detractors, here and in the national media, point to the same measurements that Brees had.. I remember when the Chargers let him go in large part because they felt he would never overcome those limitations. Of course, time has proven them wrong, as I believe it will with Purdy. Not that I am predicting a HOF career for him but that his physical limitations will not be the insurmountable barrier some want to put in his path.

Recent posts have focused on Purdy's "YOLO" passes, whatever that is, as if it is a constant detriment. Any pass that is intercepted is a detriment whether it is a throw into an exceedingly tight window or just a great move by a defender. Raw data does not separate those but it does provide a worthwhile basis for comparison. Brees is notable for a very good TD/Int ratio. Size or lack of arm strength didn't limit Brees. Purdy's numbers put him in that same conversation.

Offensive systems do come into play at some point but there were years when Brees had a solid run game to back him. In the end, it was consistency that will put Brees in the HOF. Only time will tell if Purdy will travel the same route. In the meantime, the "size" narrative needs to take a vacation.

I don't think they let him go because of talent limitations. He suffered a serious injury on his throwing shoulder and they had Rivers waiting in the wings, who they drafted after Brees struggled in his first two years as a starter. They still offered him a contract as well.

Fair point.

They drafted Rivers, a bigger guy, who they felt could do what Brees didn't.

Bottom line: Brees proved all the naysayers wrong.

I don't know how anyone who has watched the entirety of Purdy's young career who does not see him as a fringe elite QB already. His second year, he was an MVP candidate for crying out loud. Yes, last year was a step backwards, but not so much so that we just delete from our memory the 28 or so games of consistently great play that preceded it. I get a cautiously optimistic approach, and support those that maintain a level of wait-and-see as he navigates the ups and downs of an early NFL career. But what I don't accept, is the people who flat out deny that Purdy has put more great play on the tape than he has good play, and far more good play than he has poor play. His numbers back that up, and portray a start to a career that rivals some pretty elite QBs. Sure, a lot of that is on an offense that has playmakers, and a coach that can help a QB reach maximum potential, but what the tape also shows to anyone who's watched it, is a guy who pushes the ball downfield and makes big time plays, reads defenses lightning fast, rifles through progressions, maneuvers with agility, sees guys open, and delivers balls accurately in tight windows.

There's still a lot of work to do, and a looming questions of whether he's just a flash in the pan, or that his early magic can reappear and remain the norm. But, I for one have never been ready to label him as some middle of the road QB when he's put far more elite tape out there than any other QB that's played as long or less than he has. I still see something special in him. Like, in 15 years if he had a career that rivaled Drew Brees', I would not be shocked in the least. I'd honestly be more shocked if he turned into a pumpkin and became the middling QB too many of you see him as.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
If Purdy can play and look as comfortable as he did against the Titans for the rest of the season and into the playoffs, I like our chances.

I am just concerned about our D, would like our chances more with Warner and/or Bosa . Our D is so hit and miss idk if they can win an SB. I mean, how the heck would our D stop some dude named Puka? I hate that guy cause he is so good on a team I cannot stand. He is totally on fire too . But one game at a time, next will be Prime Time Purdy

I see where you're coming from, but to me I have faith in Saleh doing enough to stop whomever we're playing as long as Purdy and our offense can keep churning along. Our team that plays with Saleh's defense and doesn't turn the ball over is hard to beat. I'm banking on that if we can produce.

The problem is that you start seeing better defenses in the playoffs so it makes it unlikely that the 49ers are going to be able to score as easily. Especially without the defense getting quick stops and setting them up with good field position. They need to find some way to get pressure on the QB and maybe force some INTs or get more sacks. Being last in the league in sacxks and 30th in pressures doesn't bode well for the playoffs.

The fact this is the only place where people think Purdy is better than Burrow is all you need to know lol. It's closed eyed fandom and nothing more.