QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Problem is we can't say it's the offense anymore when it's only great when they have a stacked receiving core. Any offense works then

That's because you're focused on production and statistics. You aren't really analyzing play.

There are very few seasons throughout the history of the sport, across every offensive system, where elite production wasn't the product of elite players beyond the QB.

Not only are those few seasons rare, Charlie is making it seem like the mark of a good scheme is that such seasons occur consistently over a long period of time.

lol

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Problem is we can't say it's the offense anymore when it's only great when they have a stacked receiving core. Any offense works then

That's because you're focused on production and statistics. You aren't really analyzing play.

There are very few seasons throughout the history of the sport, across every offensive system, where elite production wasn't the product of elite players beyond the QB.

That's definitely not the narrative when we discuss our QBs but alright. I guess we can give Stafford a pass for being so great

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Problem is we can't say it's the offense anymore when it's only great when they have a stacked receiving core. Any offense works then

Eagles offense isn't.

The one that just won a sb?

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Problem is we can't say it's the offense anymore when it's only great when they have a stacked receiving core. Any offense works then

I called it!!!! Like clock work.

The only example of this offenses longevity is through a qb who was already good without the offense and having to keep his receiving core loaded. All offenses would look good in that situation. Sorry if that hurts

Name some offenses that have succeeded without elite playmakers for a long period of time. You've created this standard, and now I'm genuinely curious about examples.

With such a great qb and and great offense I expect having better years than he has been. QBs like him don't need weapons because they elevate

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The one that just won a sb?

Have you watched them this season? Are having entire halfs of no points. Can't even get first downs.

Brock is a good QB with limitations. SB 58 is not his fault. But plays were there to be made. And he just could not come through. Whereas a Stafford probably makes those plays and the opponent has no chance at a comeback.

It's not his fault the front office has been handing out bad contracts the past few years. Including his mega extension last spring. You take what you can get.

Twighlight zone starting QB thread. Just like I mentioned yesterday and NY said today. The best thing about these things is that it will eventually play out

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
That's definitely not the narrative when we discuss our QBs but alright. I guess we can give Stafford a pass for being so great

I'm not basing my argument on statistics and production. I didn't think Brock was a top 1-2 QB in football in 2022 and 2023 because EPA, passer rating, and QBR said so, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

That's definitely not the narrative when we discuss our QBs but alright. I guess we can give Stafford a pass for being so great

I'm not basing my argument on statistics and production. I didn't think Brock was a top 1-2 QB in football in 2022 and 2023 because EPA, passer rating, and QBR said so, lol.

Alright if the film shows that stafford maintained his greatness I'll give you guys stafford and McVay, but it's still a stretch. McVay is part of the tree but he's not quite running the Kyle offense like dudes like Slowik and McDaniel came out of sf running. Even Gruden said his passing scheme is much better than Kyle's

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Alright if the film shows that stafford maintained his greatness I'll give you guys stafford and McVay, but it's still a stretch. McVay is part of the tree but he's not quite running the Kyle offense like dudes like Slowik and McDaniel came out of sf running. Even Gruden said his passing scheme is much better than Kyle's

He's not the only example. There's another QB in his 3rd year starting, and 6th or 7th year in the system, that's also at or near the top of the league in EPA, QBR, and passer rating (your standards moreso than mine)

It seems disingenuous to point out differences in McVay's system (generally and not specifically) but also not acknowledge when you use other coordinators, including those who worked directly under McVay, as examples to support your argument against this system. You'll use Bobby Slowek against Kyle Shanahan, but not Nick Caley with McVay? What about Kevin O'Connell? There will be subtle differences and playcall sequences but it's all stemming from the same foundation. The players, especially the QBs, make a difference.

Can you link what Gruden said?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Alright if the film shows that stafford maintained his greatness I'll give you guys stafford and McVay, but it's still a stretch. McVay is part of the tree but he's not quite running the Kyle offense like dudes like Slowik and McDaniel came out of sf running. Even Gruden said his passing scheme is much better than Kyle's

He's not the only example. There's another QB in his 3rd year starting, and 6th or 7th year in the system, that's also at or near the top of the league in EPA, QBR, and passer rating (your standards moreso than mine)

It seems disingenuous to point out differences in McVay's system (generally and not specifically) but also not acknowledge when you use other coordinators, including those who worked directly under McVay, as examples to support your argument against this system. You'll use Bobby Slowek against Kyle Shanahan, but not Nick Caley with McVay? What about Kevin O'Connell? There will be subtle differences and playcall sequences but it's all stemming from the same foundation. The players, especially the QBs, make a difference.

Can you link what Gruden said?

I'm sure you can find the comments, they aren't hard to find. A basic summary is McVay >>>> Kyle. And unfortunately it's true. Slowik came out of sf after spending years here. He didn't get to evolve with McVay. I don't consider the mike Shanahan tree the same as the kyle tree

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I'm sure you can find the comments, they aren't hard to find. A basic summary is McVay >>>> Kyle. And unfortunately it's true. Slowik came out of sf after spending years here. He didn't get to evolve with McVay. I don't consider the mike Shanahan tree the same as the kyle tree

I did look for the comments.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I'm sure you can find the comments, they aren't hard to find. A basic summary is McVay >>>> Kyle. And unfortunately it's true. Slowik came out of sf after spending years here. He didn't get to evolve with McVay. I don't consider the mike Shanahan tree the same as the kyle tree

I did look for the comments.

Look harder

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Look harder

I'll pass. You've pretty clearly demonstrated that you're capable of misrepresenting what people have said. JTO, Matt Ryan, perhaps Gruden here… I'm not sure. Ultimately it's on you to substantiate your claims, and if you're unwilling to, so be it.

Brock Stans the same dudes that blindly defended Jimmy G. Same episode different season. Common knowledge that Jimmy is a bad QB, but we all remember the Niner fans who relentlessly claimed be was a top 5 QB in the league.

Fans will overrate the hell out of their team's starting QB. It is what it is, I guess.