QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Mac Jones isn't bad. He already went to the pro bowl without Kyle. Hes started out hot just like all the other QBs. We will see if he can keep this up but nobody else does in this offense and that's across the league

I agree he isn't bad. He's an average player and a good system fit because of his skillset. I wanted the team to draft him in 21… thought he was the only player of the three available to us that made any sense.

The bolded is blatantly false, lol. We have an easy example in our own division.

Hard to play bad with the way Rams keep their targets stacked, but he's still been up and down in this offense and he's a 15 years vet. He gets a pass because of his sb run (which wasn't anything special tbh) but he isn't always great in this offense. I also doubt it's as rigid for stafford as Kyle likes to keep it

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Matt Ryan was a good QB BUT he wasn't winning MVPs before or after Kyle, he wasn't going to SBs before or after Kyle.

Jimmy with about 80% of the other coaches in this league isn't becoming the highest paid player in the League. Brock on about 80% of the league isn't getting $265M.

Kyle made freaking Matt Schaub a pro-bowler.

go see what coach manning would love to play for if he came back…Kyle.

deflecting to poor playing calling for Brock inconsistency is a joke. There isn't a single fan base or organization that's taking Brock over Kyle.

we're back in the Twilight zone when a lot of you thought Kyle was holding back Jimmy smh

This is how I feel bro. Seeing the same thing happen again is wild.

Twilight zone vibes for sure when fans say "if the INTs become a pattern then I'll be concerned", when there literally has been a pattern…. Just a complete turn of a blind eye to the available facts.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Hard to play bad with the way Rams keep their targets stacked, but he's still been up and down in this offense and he's a 15 years vet. He gets a pass because of his sb run (which wasn't anything special tbh) but he isn't always great in this offense. I also doubt it's as rigid for stafford as Kyle likes to keep it

He gets a 'pass' because anybody who competently reviews QB play understands he is a legitimately great QB and has been for pretty much the entirety of his career.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Hard to play bad with the way Rams keep their targets stacked, but he's still been up and down in this offense and he's a 15 years vet. He gets a pass because of his sb run (which wasn't anything special tbh) but he isn't always great in this offense. I also doubt it's as rigid for stafford as Kyle likes to keep it

He gets a 'pass' because anybody who competently reviews QB play understands he is a legitimately great QB and has been for pretty much the entirety of his career.

Then why does he have down years in this ever so amazing offense?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Then why does he have down years in this ever so amazing offense?

It's understandable that the average person doesn't have the time or knowledge to break down film and actually analyze what's happening on the field.

That said, your argument isn't that great QB's have down years (production wise - to be clear). Your argument is that QBs can start out hot in this system but can't keep it up:

'We will see if he can keep this up but nobody else does in this offense and that's across the league'

Stafford is in his 5th year of this offense, and producing arguably his best season ever. It immediately contradicts your argument.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Hard to play bad with the way Rams keep their targets stacked, but he's still been up and down in this offense and he's a 15 years vet. He gets a pass because of his sb run (which wasn't anything special tbh) but he isn't always great in this offense. I also doubt it's as rigid for stafford as Kyle likes to keep it

He gets a 'pass' because anybody who competently reviews QB play understands he is a legitimately great QB and has been for pretty much the entirety of his career.

Also, the "rigidity" of Kyle's offense here is directly related to the skill set of the QB. There's no reason to assume Kyle wouldn't call an offense similar to what McVay runs if he had Stafford.

Saying Stafford's accuracy and arm strength don't provide an offense more possibilities than Brock is a bad faith take.

I wonder if fans undermine arm talent or fail to see how it could elevate this offense because they have forgotten what a QB with a strong arm looks like on the 49ers. Besides Kaep (who had other issues), a majority of our recent QBs have had weak arms: Smith, Garoppolo, Mullens, Purdy.

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:
Also, the "rigidity" of Kyle's offense here is directly related to the skill set of the QB. There's no reason to assume Kyle wouldn't call an offense similar to what McVay runs if he had Stafford.

Saying Stafford's accuracy and arm strength don't provide an offense more possibilities than Brock is a bad faith take.

I wonder if fans undermine arm talent or fail to see how it could elevate this offense because they have forgotten what a QB with a strong arm looks like on the 49ers. Besides Kaep (who had other issues), a majority of our recent QBs have had weak arms: Smith, Garoppolo, Mullens, Purdy.

I wouldn't boil it down to arm strength across our recent QB history necessarily. I think arm strength is under special focus here, so to speak, because Brock is right on the fringe of what would be acceptable to start in the NFL. We simply haven't had a great QB since the 90s.

There is no defect in our system, or really any version of it, that prevents QB's from having success long term.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Then why does he have down years in this ever so amazing offense?

It's understandable that the average person doesn't have the time or knowledge to break down film and actually analyze what's happening on the field.

That said, your argument isn't that great QB's have down years (production wise - to be clear). Your argument is that QBs can start out hot in this system but can't keep it up:

'We will see if he can keep this up but nobody else does in this offense and that's across the league'

Stafford is in his 5th year of this offense, and producing arguably his best season ever. It immediately contradicts your argument.

Problem is we can't say it's the offense anymore when it's only great when they have a stacked receiving core. Any offense works then

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Then why does he have down years in this ever so amazing offense?

It's understandable that the average person doesn't have the time or knowledge to break down film and actually analyze what's happening on the field.

That said, your argument isn't that great QB's have down years (production wise - to be clear). Your argument is that QBs can start out hot in this system but can't keep it up:

'We will see if he can keep this up but nobody else does in this offense and that's across the league'

Stafford is in his 5th year of this offense, and producing arguably his best season ever. It immediately contradicts your argument.

He's going to ignore the facts you just said and will mention that it's because of Puka and Adams. Rinse and repeat.

Also, the idea that offensive scheme is solely responsible for a QB's down year is questionable at best. Would that mean the offensive scheme is responsible in successful years? This is what I call disingenuous/bad faith discourse…

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Problem is we can't say it's the offense anymore when it's only great when they have a stacked receiving core. Any offense works then

I called it!!!! Like clock work.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Problem is we can't say it's the offense anymore when it's only great when they have a stacked receiving core. Any offense works then

That's because you're focused on production and statistics. You aren't really analyzing play.

There are very few seasons throughout the history of the sport, across every offensive system, where elite production wasn't the product of elite players beyond the QB.

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Problem is we can't say it's the offense anymore when it's only great when they have a stacked receiving core. Any offense works then

I called it!!!! Like clock work.

The only example of this offenses longevity is through a qb who was already good without the offense and having to keep his receiving core loaded. All offenses would look good in that situation. Sorry if that hurts

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Problem is we can't say it's the offense anymore when it's only great when they have a stacked receiving core. Any offense works then

Eagles offense isn't.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Problem is we can't say it's the offense anymore when it's only great when they have a stacked receiving core. Any offense works then

I called it!!!! Like clock work.

The only example of this offenses longevity is through a qb who was already good without the offense and having to keep his receiving core loaded. All offenses would look good in that situation. Sorry if that hurts

Name some offenses that have succeeded without elite playmakers for a long period of time. You've created this standard, and now I'm genuinely curious about examples.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The only example of this offenses longevity is through a qb who was already good without the offense and having to keep his receiving core loaded. All offenses would look good in that situation. Sorry if that hurts

Ridiculous comment even when focusing on production only. This system, and variations of it, have been successful across multiple teams and QBs for decades.