QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

I don't think it's all about weak arms. Getting a receiver like a Lamb or Pickens or Jefferson would change a lot, but Kyle doesn't seem to like receivers like that. Even then I still think it's just part of the Shanahan offense, and that's the gift and the curse of tying the pass game so heavily to the run game. Even Matt Ryans mvp year he led the league in throwing between the numbers. Seems like a Kyle thing to me

You really believe Ryan wasn't throwing outside the numbers? Just because a QB leads the league in throwing over the middle doesn't mean they don't make other throws on a consistent basis. Brock doesn't make other throws on a consistent basis, and it's not because of Shanahan. It's his lack of arm strength. Why wouldn't Shanahan add another element to his offense if it was something his QB could execute?

You're not watching if you believe Brock doesn't throw outside the numbers either. He's actually been successful doing it according to his career numbers. He'd be even more successful with a real downfield receiver. But even with Julio Jones Kyle's offense spams the middle so idk if that would change things

Originally posted by Niner4Life21_:

Originally posted by mitpdub:
I think what bothers me most with this comp is Brock seems to throw these in bunches.

He had a few opportunities to hit the underneath receiver and not force the tight throw, like that first int when he had Kittle wide open who could have scored.

Brock Purdy has thrown 34 INTs over his first 40 NFL starts. Other QB comps:

Tom Brady: 34
Joe Montana: 37
Kurt Warner: 47
Peyton Manning: 51
Patrick Mahomes: 19
Drew Brees: 37
Steve Young: 35
Justin Herbert: 30
Matthew Stafford: 47
Josh Allen: 31
Brett Favre: 48
Joe Burrow: 29 pic.twitter.com/N96W7ccQAz

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) November 26, 2025

Looking at these numbers only and not assessing INT percentages is disingenous/misleading. The Niners have had low pass volume for much of Brock's career. Guys like Herbert, Brees, Mahomes, Manning, Brady, etc. played in pass heavy offenses.

Herbert's ints have dropped drastically because Harbaugh and Roman changed their offense to their ball control philosophy. Brees, Mahomes, Manning, and Brady all had much better Olines than we currently have. Time in the pocket helps a lot.

1. Originally posted by mitpdub:
   

   Originally posted by 49ers9797:
   

   Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
   

   Originally posted by 49ers9797:
   Had Purdy not received that mega extension in the offseason, he would be looking at potentially a new home or fighting for the starting position in 2026. But where they already gave it to him, he will start for the foreseeable future.

   
   I don't buy that. He won't make it through the year playing like he did on Sunday

   
   No team is touching that contract. Benching him would admit failure. Which I don't think this egocentric HC will do.

   "I'm going to give him starting every game through the end of the year before I make any conclusions. When healthy and protected Brock sees the field well and executes Kyle's system. There will always be fans that want a particular player to stumble, there's even fans here that want Kap back.
   Facts are that Brock has the single season passing records for our franchise and he's been good at the intermediate passing game. If you think he stinks watch the playoff games between the Packers and Lions. That's where he separates himself between a system QB and someone that is calm under pressure. Jimmy G, Kap, Darnold all wilted under intense pressure.
   
   Let's protect Brock like other top QBs get, and let's improve our D then become a dominant team every year starting in 2026. I think we might squeak into the playoffs this year but a team will ball control us out is my best prediction."

Most of your points are respectable and make sense. Passing records? I don't think that is a reflection of his greatness. Prime Montana would throw 4500-5k yards in today's NFL.

Originally posted by mitpdub:
I think what bothers me most with this comp is Brock seems to throw these in bunches.

He had a few opportunities to hit the underneath receiver and not force the tight throw, like that first int when he had Kittle wide open who could have scored.

Brock Purdy has thrown 34 INTs over his first 40 NFL starts. Other QB comps:

Tom Brady: 34
Joe Montana: 37
Kurt Warner: 47
Peyton Manning: 51
Patrick Mahomes: 19
Drew Brees: 37
Steve Young: 35
Justin Herbert: 30
Matthew Stafford: 47
Josh Allen: 31
Brett Favre: 48
Joe Burrow: 29 pic.twitter.com/N96W7ccQAz

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) November 26, 2025

What shocks me most is Tom Brady with 34 picks in his first 40 starts. The most picks he had in a season was 14. He had ten or less picks nine times in his career.

The problem with Brock is that he does not throw enough TD's to offset the picks that he throws. Most of those other guys do enough great things to offset mistakes.

But that's deceiving what Lombardi is posting. He started out excellent early in his career. So his interceptions have come lately. Which means has last 20 games or so are much worse. However you want to look at it. You can take whatever block of games you want. But we will say his interceptions and wild throws have been more lately than at the beginning. Maybe other teams now have a book on him and know where he wants to throw.

Originally posted by paulk205:
It's equally arbitrary with saying that "oh, we must use his whole career to know". Or even "only this year counts". It's a starting point we take to extrapolate a trend based on historical data. Baseball data analysis also has that dilemma. There is no statistical reason to go one or the other way (there are in fact two biases working in opposite ways). He's been starting for us for effectively three seasons now. It's not that long.

Anyway, I don't really want to repeat what I said above. I'm neither a defender nor an opponent of Purdy. I hope he gets back to his best, mainly for the team (which is who I support after all) and also for the lad who seems to be an all round good egg. If he comes back to his best, fantastic. If he goes on sucking, tough cookies, but we'll deal with that in the offseason and beyond. I suspect (but I do not know) that he's not fully healthy yet, mostly based on the shape of his throws (even completed ones). He was never the strongest but the throws seem to be sailing, and may hint at a lack of confidence to plant the foot and drive the ball. With his tendency for deep passing that's a problem. But I'm not his doctor. In any event, we'll find out: there are five regular season games left, and perhaps one (or hopefully more) playoff ones. We can wait for a couple of months before we decide either way.

Good post.

According to earlier medical reports, his toe will not fully heal until the off-season. Hence, we should not be surprised if he isn't driving the ball like he has in the past. Brock himself said he needs to get back to driving the ball harder. He has in the past and he has, despite his naysayers, thrown sideline passes well. The criticism of his arm strength is an old tale that was well discussed two years ago. It was established that he has NFL average ball speed. So did Drew Brees.

One other point that bears repeating is how unsettled the WR group has been this year. We are only now getting the starting group healthy enough to practice each day. That has not been the case for the last 8 weeks. I expect to see much better connections now that Pearsall is getting going again, along with JJ, and the rest.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by bud49:
I don't think it's Kyle's offense IMO.

His passing offense gets called out by former coaches and QBs. It is very rigid, and even Brady talked about how he wouldn't want to be in an offense where he couldn't switch the plays and protections. Kyles passing offense is different. Awesome when it works, not so awesome when corners from the other side of the formation are jumping your plays

lol please...

Some former people say they have personal preferences in SOME situations and you're painting it like his whole passing offense is called out by a bunch of people.

Super disingenuous on your part. His offense is praised overall by virtually everyone who understands the game at a high level. That includes Tom Brady, even if he has his preferences.

Yes. There are a lot of coaches being hired has head coaches off of this offensive system.

Originally posted by bud49:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by bud49:

I don't think it's Kyle's offense IMO.

His passing offense gets called out by former coaches and QBs. It is very rigid, and even Brady talked about how he wouldn't want to be in an offense where he couldn't switch the plays and protections. Kyles passing offense is different. Awesome when it works, not so awesome when corners from the other side of the formation are jumping your plays

lol please...

Some former people say they have personal preferences in SOME situations and you're painting it like his whole passing offense is called out by a bunch of people.

Super disingenuous on your part. His offense is praised overall by virtually everyone who understands the game at a high level. That includes Tom Brady, even if he has his preferences.

Yes. There are a lot of coaches being hired has head coaches off of this offensive system.

Only one. And the same thing with his qb. Started out killing it, and now looks timid and hesitant

Time for a return of the Mac! Last two seasons have proved Brock's come back down to earth. Following Jimmy's trajectory. Mediocre QB at best with weak arm. Hearing same excuses that were made for Jimmy. Now he's a perpetual back up.

Originally posted by irief:
Time for a return of the Mac! Last two seasons have proved Brock's come back down to earth. Following Jimmy's trajectory. Mediocre QB at best with weak arm. Hearing same excuses that were made for Jimmy. Now he's a perpetual back up.

Whole lot of cognitive dissonance on this board and the 49ers Reddit fan page.

Notice how the instant attacks are to call his critics "Grant Cohn" or "fake fans" or "a*****es" or "idiots".

Fans would rather do all of that than just accept the s**tty reality that we still don't have a franchise QB that play at a high level without an elite supporting cast. It is a pretty depressing thing to realize, but I'd rather do that than live in this alternate reality where the facts aren't what they are.

Not only is Purdy physically limited, but he's showing an inability to fix the mental mistakes. That's what I find most troubling.

Originally posted by mitpdub:
Herbert's ints have dropped drastically because Harbaugh and Roman changed their offense to their ball control philosophy. Brees, Mahomes, Manning, and Brady all had much better Olines than we currently have. Time in the pocket helps a lot.

Herbert's int percentage* dropped drastically last year, but it was always very low. It's the highest it's ever been this season at 2.4 percent.

Originally posted by irief:
Time for a return of the Mac! Last two seasons have proved Brock's come back down to earth. Following Jimmy's trajectory. Mediocre QB at best with weak arm. Hearing same excuses that were made for Jimmy. Now he's a perpetual back up.

There's something funny about calling Purdy a mediocre QB at best with a weak arm while saying the solution is that we should go back to Mac Jones.

Originally posted by irief:

Time for a return of the Mac! Last two seasons have proved Brock's come back down to earth. Following Jimmy's trajectory. Mediocre QB at best with weak arm. Hearing same excuses that were made for Jimmy. Now he's a perpetual back up.

I'm not saying these guys are great, but I think this offense makes things worse when the struggles come, which then just kills the QB. I see the same thing happening to Mac after they figure out what him and Kyle do. I don't care how much Aikman and Collinsworth suck Kyle off, I trust the former QBs and coaches that aren't fans of the passin game

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by irief:
Time for a return of the Mac! Last two seasons have proved Brock's come back down to earth. Following Jimmy's trajectory. Mediocre QB at best with weak arm. Hearing same excuses that were made for Jimmy. Now he's a perpetual back up.

I'm not saying these guys are great, but I think this offense makes things worse when the struggles come, which then just kills the QB. I see the same thing happening to Mac after they figure out what him and Kyle do. I don't care how much Aikman and Collinsworth suck Kyle off, I trust the former QBs and coaches that aren't fans of the passin game

Some of you seriously undermine the weaknesses in Jimmy and Purdy's games. Shanahan has made guys like Jimmy and Mac look better here than anywhere else. Jimmy was an absolute disaster after leaving, while I remember a lot of our fans expecting he would "excel and make Shanahan look like he was the problem". How did that turn out?

It's not the coach's fault that the QB has a limited arm, or a tendency to make poor decisions.

Placing minimal accountability on the player making the most money on the team seems odd when all other players and coaches are subject to routine criticism. Sounds like fans avoiding an uncomfortable reality given the importance of the QB position.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
I'm not saying these guys are great, but I think this offense makes things worse when the struggles come, which then just kills the QB. I see the same thing happening to Mac after they figure out what him and Kyle do. I don't care how much Aikman and Collinsworth suck Kyle off, I trust the former QBs and coaches that aren't fans of the passin game

Only thing JT isn't a fan of is the 7 step drops. He raves about a lot of the other stuff Kyle does.