QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by frenchmov:
I watched Stafford vs bucs and vs us.... Where were the amazing throws? He doesn't get pressured and guys are more or less wide open.

I'm not saying he isn't at the top of the QB list this year, he is. But again his WRs lead the league in separation yards (I made this stat up but prove me wrong!!)

He is of course better than Brock. He is also playing better than every other QB this year so I'm not sure why that's really being discussed

Dude is tossing no look passes every week. He's accurate as f**k. His OL is not great. 5th highest in hits and 9th most pressures this yr for Stafford. They're like 20th in rushing yards per game as well.

you can't toss out made up stats and telling me I have to prove you wrong lol. That's not how it works

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Do you think Stafford would be playing as well without Puka and Davante? I think Stafford is great, but his previous 3 years in LA before this season were all meh and he never did anything with the Lions even with Calvin Johnson.

QBs don't need elite supporting casts, but they need somebody. Our offense does not have any starting caliber WRs right now. We have no speed on offense. Nobody scares defenses.

I think Stafford himself has been a great QB his whole career. Do you think Puka would be amazing if he played on the Jets right now? Adams wasn't exactly Adams with Jimmy G tossing him hospital balls.

Stafford is rolling out there with massive back issues for years and still winning games. Who do they have that has "speed"? Puka isn't a downfield threat and Adams isn't fast at all.

this whole narrative that Brock is surrounded with s**t on offense is such a b******t excuse. Freaking Mac Jones was winning games top 10 in YPG and top 3 in comp %

Agreed.

Kittle, Pearsall, JJ and CMC Is more than enough talent for Brock to work with Imo

Agreed.

And, more than Jones had and didn't look as averge.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Do you think Stafford would be playing as well without Puka and Davante? I think Stafford is great, but his previous 3 years in LA before this season were all meh and he never did anything with the Lions even with Calvin Johnson.

QBs don't need elite supporting casts, but they need somebody. Our offense does not have any starting caliber WRs right now. We have no speed on offense. Nobody scares defenses.

I think Stafford himself has been a great QB his whole career. Do you think Puka would be amazing if he played on the Jets right now? Adams wasn't exactly Adams with Jimmy G tossing him hospital balls.

Stafford is rolling out there with massive back issues for years and still winning games. Who do they have that has "speed"? Puka isn't a downfield threat and Adams isn't fast at all.

this whole narrative that Brock is surrounded with s**t on offense is such a b******t excuse. Freaking Mac Jones was winning games top 10 in YPG and top 3 in comp %

They may not be the fastest WRs, but they can be depended on to get open consistently play after play. Our guys don't do that other than maybe Kittle and CMC and not more than a few yards beyond the LOS.

Our offense wasn't good under Mac in terms of scoring. We were in the bottom 3rd of the league offensively in most meaningful metrics (like scoring). That's probably why they benched Mac for Purdy before he was fully healthy. They were hoping that would spark something on offense, but I'm not sure it's going to work when Purdy isn't healthy and his accuracy isn't quite there yet.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
I do not understand people who are bigger fans of a QB over the team.

it was like this with Alex smith. I want the best qb for the team and Purdy ain't it! However I know shanny and the front office aren't gonna sit him cause of how much he's getting paid AND it would be very embarrassing to them to do so. So…..he'll be here for another season. The 49ers can get out from under his contract at the end of next season so we are stuck, it is what it is.

If you are going to say Mac Jones IS it, thats where the conversation will end. I have always been of the belief that if you dont have an elite QB, you should never stop looking for one. But at this point, its not a 100% fact that Brock cannot be one. He has played at that level before. Will he get there again? No one knows.

But to say "Purdy aint it" at this point in his career, given everything he has accomplished so far, is ridiculous IMO.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I don't want to hear excuses like his toe is still bothering him. If it is then he's lying which is worse than just having a bad game. He could be putting his career at risk. I imagine at least half the QBs in the league are at less than 100% right now. It's part of being an NFL player to play when not 100% so hus toe must be good enough. He said it's not bothering him so let's not keep insisting it is.

No excuses at all. He played absolutely gash. He sucked, and if he keeps on sucking he should be benched. If he's still injured but has insisted that he can go, it's down to him and should be held accountable. I just noted that his throws sailed in a way they haven't tended to sail before, and that may mean that he is not stepping into them with the same authority.

EDIT: Let me also note that this is what wrecked Mayfield's initially very promising start with the Browns. He sort of came back with a dicky shoulder and of course he sucked. But he's come back to at least serviceable levels now, and the Browns are still without a QB.

Let's not be the Browns. If Purdy is still injured, just shut him down for the season and we reconvene next year. It's not as if we're doing anything in the playoffs anyway, even if we get there.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
They may not be the fastest WRs, but they can be depended on to get open consistently play after play. Our guys don't do that other than maybe Kittle and CMC and not more than a few yards beyond the LOS.

Our offense wasn't good under Mac in terms of scoring. We were in the bottom 3rd of the league offensively in most meaningful metrics (like scoring). That's probably why they benched Mac for Purdy before he was fully healthy. They were hoping that would spark something on offense, but I'm not sure it's going to work when Purdy isn't healthy and his accuracy isn't quite there yet.

Definitely not true, lol.

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
There is zero argument about how Purdy played in the first half. He was awful, and there is no excusing it.

Then the second half, Kyle started calling much shorter routes and quick throws, and what do you know? Purdy played well in the 2nd half. All he needed was the Mac Jones playbook, and he completely turned his game around.

What I would like to see is the opposite. The short quick throws early to establish rhythm, and then hit them with the longer stuff as the game opens up. That is the WCO in a nutshell. Do that more please.

He never needed anything like that before. From the first game he was thrown into he has been slinging it and that's one of the things I've loved about his game. But he has been terribly off lately, from bad reads to bad passes, something has definitely gone wrong.

I agree with that. But thats what happens when your #1 WR is a real #3 WR. His accuracy has been off recently, theres no denying it. I would push back some on the bad reads part, as I do believe he is processing the field fine.

While you are right that he hasnt really needed to start off short to then lead to the long, its much preferred to what we saw last night. Get in a rhythm, complete some passes, and the field will open up.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Do you think Stafford would be playing as well without Puka and Davante? I think Stafford is great, but his previous 3 years in LA before this season were all meh and he never did anything with the Lions even with Calvin Johnson.

QBs don't need elite supporting casts, but they need somebody. Our offense does not have any starting caliber WRs right now. We have no speed on offense. Nobody scares defenses.

I think Stafford himself has been a great QB his whole career. Do you think Puka would be amazing if he played on the Jets right now? Adams wasn't exactly Adams with Jimmy G tossing him hospital balls.

Stafford is rolling out there with massive back issues for years and still winning games. Who do they have that has "speed"? Puka isn't a downfield threat and Adams isn't fast at all.

this whole narrative that Brock is surrounded with s**t on offense is such a b******t excuse. Freaking Mac Jones was winning games top 10 in YPG and top 3 in comp %

Agreed.

Kittle, Pearsall, JJ and CMC Is more than enough talent for Brock to work with Imo

Kittle and CMC are good, but you need more than that to keep defenses honest. JJ is an ok #2, better as a #3. Pearsall looks closer to Dante Pettis than Aiyuk at this point, but I suspect he's not healed from his knee injury.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Had a massive overthrow to Kittle on one play and miscommunication with JJ (that almost lead to another INT) on another play.

Look this is the NFL, one play can change the outcome of a game. Trying to toss out "only 3 plays" is BS coming from Warner.

I don't think the plays themselves were bad, but the execution of the pass was horrible. Late, inaccurate and floating passes out there shouldn't be downplayed because he made the right read. Warner is coming off as bias based on their careers.

Brock is a gunslinger, he's not making the smart play 95% of the time…he's trying to make the big play. I'll take a QB willing to make plays, but understand the situation. Understand the down and distance and your other options on any given down. Dude throws a ton of INTs on early downs when there's other options available.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Brock's tight window throws are bottom of the league. Stafford makes amazing throws weekly, he's a much better QB.

if Brock needs half a dozen amazing playmakers to play well, then he's not a very good QB and not worth that contract.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think Stafford himself has been a great QB his whole career. Do you think Puka would be amazing if he played on the Jets right now? Adams wasn't exactly Adams with Jimmy G tossing him hospital balls.

Stafford is rolling out there with massive back issues for years and still winning games. Who do they have that has "speed"? Puka isn't a downfield threat and Adams isn't fast at all.

this whole narrative that Brock is surrounded with s**t on offense is such a b******t excuse. Freaking Mac Jones was winning games top 10 in YPG and top 3 in comp %

NY on 🔥

Agree on all points

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
We don't have a WR that scares or challenges defenses. Look at how open Puka and Davante get for the Rams, all Stafford has to do is throw to the wide open guy. Purdy needs a pinpoint accurate pass or it'll be broken up or intercepted. Pearsall hasn't been the same since the knee injury unfortunately.

Brock's tight window throws are bottom of the league. Stafford makes amazing throws weekly, he's a much better QB.

if Brock needs half a dozen amazing playmakers to play well, then he's not a very good QB and not worth that contract.

And how did Brock compare in other seasons?

BCB due for a big game this week vs CLE

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Agreed.

Kittle, Pearsall, JJ and CMC Is more than enough talent for Brock to work with Imo

This would be among the worst WR corps in the NFL. Bottom 10 at the absolute best.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
There is zero argument about how Purdy played in the first half. He was awful, and there is no excusing it.

Then the second half, Kyle started calling much shorter routes and quick throws, and what do you know? Purdy played well in the 2nd half. All he needed was the Mac Jones playbook, and he completely turned his game around.

What I would like to see is the opposite. The short quick throws early to establish rhythm, and then hit them with the longer stuff as the game opens up. That is the WCO in a nutshell. Do that more please.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
If you are going to say Mac Jones IS it, thats where the conversation will end. I have always been of the belief that if you dont have an elite QB, you should never stop looking for one. But at this point, its not a 100% fact that Brock cannot be one. He has played at that level before. Will he get there again? No one knows.

But to say "Purdy aint it" at this point in his career, given everything he has accomplished so far, is ridiculous IMO.

My boy SWH with the 🔥 too. Agree with it all

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This would be among the worst WR corps in the NFL. Bottom 10 at the absolute best.

Agreed, but you have one of the greatest receiving backs of all time and a hof tight end.

It's unlikely we have a group like we had in 22-23 any time soon.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
BCB due for a big game this week vs CLE

Not with the weather expected.