QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I know that when some of those INTs happened the announcers said that it was a poor decision. I seem to remember Brock himself saying it about a couple after the game. You can keep making excuses for his recent poor play but it is what it is. Mac Jones came in and played better than Brock in those 3 games. He had a knee injury that limited his mobility and was still able to play well enough to lead the team to wins. He had fewer weapons to throw to than Purdy did and he got the job done.

I'm not ready to suggest that Jones should replace him but you can't deny he's played better than Brock this year. Brock now needs to show he can return to that 2023 form.

Let's be real...what mobility? Purdy's injury impacted his accuracy which is a lot more impactful to QB play than mobility issues for QBs who are not very mobile in the first place.

And announcers say a lot of stuff in the moment. It doesn't always make them right. Mark Sanchez also claimed Upton Stout slingshot himself vs the Jags which is an absolute joke of a take on that BS DPI.

The only real terrible decision by Brock this year was the 2nd Seattle pick and I said as much from the moment he made that throw and never wavered from that.

The toe? He was tossing up gifts to the defense all last season as well. Do you also remember the 4 int game vs. the Ravens two seasons ago?

Those picks had absolutely nothing to do with his accuracy. All you're doing is throwing out Brock's worst game interception wise and trying to pretend it's the same thing.

It's not even close. I'll pull up the picks from that game right now.

1st one was Brock not seeing or not respecting Kyle Hamilton and thinking he looked him off enough, who undercuts the throw to Deebo.
2nd Batted up by the defender at the line and caught by another defender. Same exact thing happens to Lamar in that game and ball falls to the ground.
3rd Bounces off Kittle up in the air and picked off
4th He's hit as he throws to CMC

None of those were anything close to what was happening in the Jags game. None of the passes sailed on him or thrown high.

You're just proving my point that people are bringing up his numbers and lumping them all in as whatever narrative you want to go with whether bad decision making or poor accuracy.

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Dude the point is Brock throws interceptions regardless if hes injured. Cant spin our way around this.

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Dude the point is Brock throws interceptions regardless if hes injured. Cant spin our way around this.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Dude the point is Brock throws interceptions regardless if hes injured. Cant spin our way around this.

If he said "Brock doesn't throw interceptions", then your rant about ints and the Ravens game would make sense. Coming at his comment about the injury affecting his accuracy by singling out the ravens game makes no sense

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I know that when some of those INTs happened the announcers said that it was a poor decision. I seem to remember Brock himself saying it about a couple after the game. You can keep making excuses for his recent poor play but it is what it is. Mac Jones came in and played better than Brock in those 3 games. He had a knee injury that limited his mobility and was still able to play well enough to lead the team to wins. He had fewer weapons to throw to than Purdy did and he got the job done.

I'm not ready to suggest that Jones should replace him but you can't deny he's played better than Brock this year. Brock now needs to show he can return to that 2023 form.

Let's be real...what mobility? Purdy's injury impacted his accuracy which is a lot more impactful to QB play than mobility issues for QBs who are not very mobile in the first place.

And announcers say a lot of stuff in the moment. It doesn't always make them right. Mark Sanchez also claimed Upton Stout slingshot himself vs the Jags which is an absolute joke of a take on that BS DPI.

The only real terrible decision by Brock this year was the 2nd Seattle pick and I said as much from the moment he made that throw and never wavered from that.

The toe? He was tossing up gifts to the defense all last season as well. Do you also remember the 4 int game vs. the Ravens two seasons ago?

Those picks had absolutely nothing to do with his accuracy. All you're doing is throwing out Brock's worst game interception wise and trying to pretend it's the same thing.

It's not even close. I'll pull up the picks from that game right now.

1st one was Brock not seeing or not respecting Kyle Hamilton and thinking he looked him off enough, who undercuts the throw to Deebo.
2nd Batted up by the defender at the line and caught by another defender. Same exact thing happens to Lamar in that game and ball falls to the ground.
3rd Bounces off Kittle up in the air and picked off
4th He's hit as he throws to CMC

None of those were anything close to what was happening in the Jags game. None of the passes sailed on him or thrown high.

You're just proving my point that people are bringing up his numbers and lumping them all in as whatever narrative you want to go with whether bad decision making or poor accuracy.

Dude the point is Brock throws interceptions regardless if hes injured. Cant spin our way around this.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Dude the point is Brock throws interceptions regardless if hes injured. Cant spin our way around this.

He's gonna try to though lol

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I know that when some of those INTs happened the announcers said that it was a poor decision. I seem to remember Brock himself saying it about a couple after the game. You can keep making excuses for his recent poor play but it is what it is. Mac Jones came in and played better than Brock in those 3 games. He had a knee injury that limited his mobility and was still able to play well enough to lead the team to wins. He had fewer weapons to throw to than Purdy did and he got the job done.

I'm not ready to suggest that Jones should replace him but you can't deny he's played better than Brock this year. Brock now needs to show he can return to that 2023 form.

Let's be real...what mobility? Purdy's injury impacted his accuracy which is a lot more impactful to QB play than mobility issues for QBs who are not very mobile in the first place.

And announcers say a lot of stuff in the moment. It doesn't always make them right. Mark Sanchez also claimed Upton Stout slingshot himself vs the Jags which is an absolute joke of a take on that BS DPI.

The only real terrible decision by Brock this year was the 2nd Seattle pick and I said as much from the moment he made that throw and never wavered from that.

The toe? He was tossing up gifts to the defense all last season as well. Do you also remember the 4 int game vs. the Ravens two seasons ago?

Those picks had absolutely nothing to do with his accuracy. All you're doing is throwing out Brock's worst game interception wise and trying to pretend it's the same thing.

It's not even close. I'll pull up the picks from that game right now.

1st one was Brock not seeing or not respecting Kyle Hamilton and thinking he looked him off enough, who undercuts the throw to Deebo.
2nd Batted up by the defender at the line and caught by another defender. Same exact thing happens to Lamar in that game and ball falls to the ground.
3rd Bounces off Kittle up in the air and picked off
4th He's hit as he throws to CMC

None of those were anything close to what was happening in the Jags game. None of the passes sailed on him or thrown high.

You're just proving my point that people are bringing up his numbers and lumping them all in as whatever narrative you want to go with whether bad decision making or poor accuracy.

Dude the point is Brock throws interceptions regardless if hes injured. Cant spin our way around this.

Dude...you literally bolded me specifically saying the toe led to accuracy issues in the Jags game and then used the Ravens game as a rebutal.

All you're doing is proving my point that some of you can't be bothered with nuanced analysis.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Dude the point is Brock throws interceptions regardless if hes injured. Cant spin our way around this.

If he said "Brock doesn't throw interceptions", then your rant about ints and the Ravens game would make sense. Coming at his comment about the injury affecting his accuracy by singling out the ravens game makes no sense

Beyond not making sense, it is ignorant to what happened in the game. Some great plays by the Ravens' defense, another bounced off Kittle (through his hands, if I remember right - good pass, bad result). Ravens just got all the bounces that game (again).

Originally posted by genus49:
I find this type of stuff silly. We all have our biases and none of us are truly objective but the fact remains that looking for people to add context to NFL stats is not excuses.

I like Purdy, I obviously defend him a lot. If you go back to early Purdy starts I was in this thread looking to see more from him. It took me several games to start to believe in him. However I have never claimed the guy was perfect or an elite QB in this league. But I've also asked people criticizing him to be more nuanced in their discussions.

Posting up his stats and saying he's making a lot of turnovers is lazy to me IMO. Yes those numbers speak for themselves but when you use those numbers and make blanket statements like his decision making has been poor you're leaving out what actually happened on those picks. People have no issue claiming Purdy's game winning TD to Tonges was a 50/50 ball. WHO CARES? It was a game winning TD. I don't remember any other QB getting that treatment.

How many QBs do we have to watch underperform when some of their best players are out? Especially in an offense that relies on timing and anticipation? People bring up his struggles last year like everything else was great with the team and it was just Brock struggling. It was just last season...did we forget about how much everyone was underperforming out there save for like 4-5 players?

It's ok to look deeper into why someone played poorly. It's no different than the Shanahan discussions where people just claim he lost all the SBs so he sucks and anyone who disagrees is a homer just making excuses.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The numbers aren't even the point. The point is a bad qb can play above his level while a great qb is playing below his. People just want to focus on the example I used because they can't attack the actual point. Or it just flew over their head

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Not for nothing, but having been involved in those arguments you're only telling half the story. The part you left out isn't unlike the arguments you're making now, at least from the standpoint of the style of the argument and what was seemingly motivating it.

Originally posted by genus49:
What? My brain short circuited trying to understand what you're saying here.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
What? My brain short circuited trying to understand what you're saying here.

You're making a point about objectivity. You referenced your hesitation to embrace Purdy early as an example of your objectivity. Having been involved directly in conversations with you at the time, you're leaving out a significant factor in that reluctance.

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Dude the point is Brock throws interceptions regardless if hes injured. Cant spin our way around this.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
So, your argument is that a ball that's tipped at the line by one defender and intercepted by another, or a catchable ball that goes off a receiver's hands and is intercepted, are as much the QB's fault as a ball that he (not necessarily Brock, but any QB) throws right into a defender's hands because he misread the coverage or made a bad throw? What if a defender just happens to make an incredible play on a ball that he intercepts? Is that the QB's fault too, or should the defender be given some props for his effort?