QB Brock Purdy Thread

Surprised they haven't just put him on IR yet. I really don't think we will see him for about 4-5 more games.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I know that when some of those INTs happened the announcers said that it was a poor decision. I seem to remember Brock himself saying it about a couple after the game. You can keep making excuses for his recent poor play but it is what it is. Mac Jones came in and played better than Brock in those 3 games. He had a knee injury that limited his mobility and was still able to play well enough to lead the team to wins. He had fewer weapons to throw to than Purdy did and he got the job done.

I'm not ready to suggest that Jones should replace him but you can't deny he's played better than Brock this year. Brock now needs to show he can return to that 2023 form.

Let's be real...what mobility? Purdy's injury impacted his accuracy which is a lot more impactful to QB play than mobility issues for QBs who are not very mobile in the first place.

And announcers say a lot of stuff in the moment. It doesn't always make them right. Mark Sanchez also claimed Upton Stout slingshot himself vs the Jags which is an absolute joke of a take on that BS DPI.

The only real terrible decision by Brock this year was the 2nd Seattle pick and I said as much from the moment he made that throw and never wavered from that.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I know that when some of those INTs happened the announcers said that it was a poor decision. I seem to remember Brock himself saying it about a couple after the game. You can keep making excuses for his recent poor play but it is what it is. Mac Jones came in and played better than Brock in those 3 games. He had a knee injury that limited his mobility and was still able to play well enough to lead the team to wins. He had fewer weapons to throw to than Purdy did and he got the job done.

I'm not ready to suggest that Jones should replace him but you can't deny he's played better than Brock this year. Brock now needs to show he can return to that 2023 form.

Let's be real...what mobility? Purdy's injury impacted his accuracy which is a lot more impactful to QB play than mobility issues for QBs who are not very mobile in the first place.

And announcers say a lot of stuff in the moment. It doesn't always make them right. Mark Sanchez also claimed Upton Stout slingshot himself vs the Jags which is an absolute joke of a take on that BS DPI.

The only real terrible decision by Brock this year was the 2nd Seattle pick and I said as much from the moment he made that throw and never wavered from that.

The toe? He was tossing up gifts to the defense all last season as well. Do you also remember the 4 int game vs. the Ravens two seasons ago?

Originally posted by 49erKing:

The toe? He was tossing up gifts to the defense all last season as well. Do you also remember the 4 int game vs. the Ravens two seasons ago?

How many picks were due to accuracy though? Not one against the Ravens, so idk why you bring up that game to try to prove genus wrong for thinking the toe was affecting accuracy

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I know that when some of those INTs happened the announcers said that it was a poor decision. I seem to remember Brock himself saying it about a couple after the game. You can keep making excuses for his recent poor play but it is what it is. Mac Jones came in and played better than Brock in those 3 games. He had a knee injury that limited his mobility and was still able to play well enough to lead the team to wins. He had fewer weapons to throw to than Purdy did and he got the job done.

I'm not ready to suggest that Jones should replace him but you can't deny he's played better than Brock this year. Brock now needs to show he can return to that 2023 form.

Brock in Seattle was better than Mac against New Orleans or Arizona despite the turnovers. This last game Mac was impressive.

No. Mac's start in New Orleans was better Brock's start in Seattle. Brock got away with a 50/50 ball to beat Seattle.

This is an insane take honestly. Seattle was a MUCH tougher opponent. Mac had way less pressure coming at him vs the Saints and he didn't lose Kittle and Jennings mid game in that one.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Some people just can't accept criticism of the guy they like. Purdy fans can deny, explain away, make excuses, rationalize and whatever but the numbers can't be changed. Brock may come back and throw 20 TD passes with no INTs the rest of the year but it won't change what he's done in his last 5 games. Just like what he did in the last 5 games doesn't change what he did in 2023. Some of us are just pointing out the fact that he hasn't been good in those games and Jones has been good in the 3 he played.

It's not an argument to replace Brock as the starter when he's ready to come back but it does give him something to shoot for. Control that gunslinger urge and stop trying to make a big play when it's not needed. Take what's there and save the hero ball for the last second like he did with that throw to Tonges. It wasn't a great throw but at the time it was needed.

I find this type of stuff silly. We all have our biases and none of us are truly objective but the fact remains that looking for people to add context to NFL stats is not excuses.

I like Purdy, I obviously defend him a lot. If you go back to early Purdy starts I was in this thread looking to see more from him. It took me several games to start to believe in him. However I have never claimed the guy was perfect or an elite QB in this league. But I've also asked people criticizing him to be more nuanced in their discussions.

Posting up his stats and saying he's making a lot of turnovers is lazy to me IMO. Yes those numbers speak for themselves but when you use those numbers and make blanket statements like his decision making has been poor you're leaving out what actually happened on those picks. People have no issue claiming Purdy's game winning TD to Tonges was a 50/50 ball. WHO CARES? It was a game winning TD. I don't remember any other QB getting that treatment.

How many QBs do we have to watch underperform when some of their best players are out? Especially in an offense that relies on timing and anticipation? People bring up his struggles last year like everything else was great with the team and it was just Brock struggling. It was just last season...did we forget about how much everyone was underperforming out there save for like 4-5 players?

It's ok to look deeper into why someone played poorly. It's no different than the Shanahan discussions where people just claim he lost all the SBs so he sucks and anyone who disagrees is a homer just making excuses.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Lol. Stats… if we ever needed more reasons.

To be fair he was replying to Catch's post saying numbers don't change...

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Surprised they haven't just put him on IR yet. I really don't think we will see him for about 4-5 more games.

If Mac gets hurt. Purdy goes in.

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by Chance:
Purdy will be the starter when healthy. It's delusional to think otherwise. We should all be happy to have a guy as good as Mac in the wings, but Purdy knows this offense and has been a guy who has taken this team to the SB. He's not being benched.

You sound like a 9-year old kid saying that his 15-year old dog will live 100 more years.

49ers aren't going to bench their newly signed franchise QB who has a 4-2 postseason record for Mac Jones who is signed for a 2 year deal.

Even with the rough Jags game where Purdy was clearly hampered by the injury and likely rushed to play so Mac could get healthier, there are several metrics that show Purdy as the better QB.

A 4-5-6 whatever game sample Mac ends up playing, is not enough to bench your franchise QB with proven post season play and 40+ starts on your team.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Lol. Stats… if we ever needed more reasons.

To be fair he was replying to Catch's post saying numbers don't change...

The numbers you post don't change. Once the game is over and those numbers are on your record they stay. Going out and playing well for the next several games is great but it doesn't erase your previous numbers.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Lol. Stats… if we ever needed more reasons.

To be fair he was replying to Catch's post saying numbers don't change...

The numbers aren't even the point. The point is a bad qb can play above his level while a great qb is playing below his. People just want to focus on the example I used because they can't attack the actual point. Or it just flew over their head

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I know that when some of those INTs happened the announcers said that it was a poor decision. I seem to remember Brock himself saying it about a couple after the game. You can keep making excuses for his recent poor play but it is what it is. Mac Jones came in and played better than Brock in those 3 games. He had a knee injury that limited his mobility and was still able to play well enough to lead the team to wins. He had fewer weapons to throw to than Purdy did and he got the job done.

I'm not ready to suggest that Jones should replace him but you can't deny he's played better than Brock this year. Brock now needs to show he can return to that 2023 form.

Let's be real...what mobility? Purdy's injury impacted his accuracy which is a lot more impactful to QB play than mobility issues for QBs who are not very mobile in the first place.

And announcers say a lot of stuff in the moment. It doesn't always make them right. Mark Sanchez also claimed Upton Stout slingshot himself vs the Jags which is an absolute joke of a take on that BS DPI.

The only real terrible decision by Brock this year was the 2nd Seattle pick and I said as much from the moment he made that throw and never wavered from that.

The toe? He was tossing up gifts to the defense all last season as well. Do you also remember the 4 int game vs. the Ravens two seasons ago?

Those picks had absolutely nothing to do with his accuracy. All you're doing is throwing out Brock's worst game interception wise and trying to pretend it's the same thing.

It's not even close. I'll pull up the picks from that game right now.

1st one was Brock not seeing or not respecting Kyle Hamilton and thinking he looked him off enough, who undercuts the throw to Deebo.
2nd Batted up by the defender at the line and caught by another defender. Same exact thing happens to Lamar in that game and ball falls to the ground.
3rd Bounces off Kittle up in the air and picked off
4th He's hit as he throws to CMC

None of those were anything close to what was happening in the Jags game. None of the passes sailed on him or thrown high.

You're just proving my point that people are bringing up his numbers and lumping them all in as whatever narrative you want to go with whether bad decision making or poor accuracy.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Lol. Stats… if we ever needed more reasons.

To be fair he was replying to Catch's post saying numbers don't change...

The numbers you post don't change. Once the game is over and those numbers are on your record they stay. Going out and playing well for the next several games is great but it doesn't erase your previous numbers.

Cool...tell me which numbers you'd choose.

QB1:
9/21 123 yards 0TD 2INT 25 yards rushing 1 TD

QB2:
26/49 273 1TD 1INT 35 rushing yards

Seems to me that stats without understanding the context don't have value to discussion. Purdy's accuracy issues (accuracy being one of his strengths) in the Jags game was obviously hampered by that toe. His game is reliant upon footwork, and turf toe doesn't lend towards great footwork.

Last season's interception struggles looked much less about accuracy, but more about trying to keep up with the other team's offense while STs and Sorenson's Defense only made the situations worse.

People are taking stats alone to say "See, it started last season and continues now." There isn't enough to prove that true. The defense is much better, and ST is a mixed bag. Purdy needs to only be responsible for leading the offense, not putting the entire team on his shoulders (personally, I don't believe any one player can do this in such a team sport, but others disagree).

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by Chance:
Purdy will be the starter when healthy. It's delusional to think otherwise. We should all be happy to have a guy as good as Mac in the wings, but Purdy knows this offense and has been a guy who has taken this team to the SB. He's not being benched.

You sound like a 9-year old kid saying that his 15-year old dog will live 100 more years.

I'm explaining the reality of the situation. A healthy Purdy will not be benched. Our coaches aren't as fickle as our fans.