QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Purdy is still my QB, he just gotta get healthy like for real healthy no b******t like he pulled in week 4. But I'm really loving what Mac Jones is doing for the 9ers, I really wish he could stay on as the back up. But if Mac Jones wins the Super Bowl this season in Santa Clara (I'm praying), then he gotta stay on as the starter no offense Brock.

If Mac Jones wins us a SB. Sign me up! I don't care who the QB is honestly. I just want to experience that feeling again.

However a reminder that Mac is signed to a 2 year deal. If he wins the SB for us this year whether this offseason or the following one he will require a new contract as well. Maybe he won't command the same deal as Brock but a SB win goes a long way in the negotiations.

So what do we do there? Just let him play out his deal and bring in another reclamation project?

If Jones ended up leading the team to a SB victory and the Niners decided to go with him they can release Purdy after the 2026 season without a major cap hit. It's unlikely that this will happen so it's all just talk.

People that are using the toe as an excuse for Brock's recent performance need to go back and look at his last 5 games. Including the last 3 from 2024 he's thrown 9 TD passes and has 8 INTs. His stats for last season and the 2 games this year are 24 TDs and 16 INTs in 17 games. Not a very good TD to INT ratio. If he's going to go forward and continue as the starter he'll need to cut way down on those INTs and increase the TD number.

He shot out of a cannon his first year, but after that it has been a slow decline. Not sure the reasons behind it, but I wish we could get the young Purdy back.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
He shot out of a cannon his first year, but after that it has been a slow decline. Not sure the reasons behind it, but I wish we could get the young Purdy back.

It's not uncommon to see a first year QB have some impressive numbers only to come back to earth the following year. Maybe it's because DCs haven't seen enough of them to know how to defend against them. Whatever the reason it happens often. On the flip side you have guys that struggle early on and take 3-4 years before they develop.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
He shot out of a cannon his first year, but after that it has been a slow decline. Not sure the reasons behind it, but I wish we could get the young Purdy back.

Surprisingly similar arc to Jimmy G's tenure with the 49ers so far. I remember posting game stats of both, when they both had CMC (and the rest of the gang) and they were almost identical. He's thrown way too many interceptions last year and this year. And that's my main hesitation with him atm. It's nerve wracking watching him drop back now. Your QB1 shouldn't make you feel that way. Let's hope he gets healthy and gets out of this funk.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
If Jones ended up leading the team to a SB victory and the Niners decided to go with him they can release Purdy after the 2026 season without a major cap hit. It's unlikely that this will happen so it's all just talk.

People that are using the toe as an excuse for Brock's recent performance need to go back and look at his last 5 games. Including the last 3 from 2024 he's thrown 9 TD passes and has 8 INTs. His stats for last season and the 2 games this year are 24 TDs and 16 INTs in 17 games. Not a very good TD to INT ratio. If he's going to go forward and continue as the starter he'll need to cut way down on those INTs and increase the TD number.

Once again his issues from the Jags game have absolutely nothing to do with other games. There is a clear difference in his accuracy even from the first game this season which I would say is a much better indicator of Brock now vs last year.

I'm not sure why some people are so eager to overlook that clear difference which is easily explained by the injury.

I went back to look at the interceptions last year and there were not many terrible decisions out there. I recommend others go back and see for themselves(my eyes could be biased) but so far nobody simply pointing at Brock's turnovers has done that.

One thing we didn't have last season for the most part is a healthy Christian McCaffrey. People are still talking about what an impact he has on the offense.

Last year CMC was active(not sure how healthy) for 4 games. 3 of them with Brock as QB.

Brock in those games:
25/36 353 yards 2TD 0INT Tampa Bay
21/28 159 yards 1 TD 1INT 40 yards rushing 1 rushing TD Seattle - the interception was on a checkdown to CMC that the defender made a great play on and batted it up in the air that a DLMan caught it.
11/18 94 yards 0 TD 0 INT 1 fumble lost

So when CMC was on the field with him last year his turnovers were not rampant.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
He shot out of a cannon his first year, but after that it has been a slow decline. Not sure the reasons behind it, but I wish we could get the young Purdy back.

It's a tough sell to say he shot out of a cannon his first year if you're talking about 2023 and forgetting the whole 8 starts he had(including 3 in the playoffs) during his rookie season.

And you're not sure of the reasons? How about the constant player shuffle due to injury on offense or the terrible special teams and defense play last season?

Originally posted by genus49:
You know you're going to get push back simply on the fact that the article is by Grant Cohn.

I don't necessarily disagree that Brock is holding the ball too long but I also think that people throw that out there in bad faith. It's easy to say he's holding the ball too long but the why is important.

I think it was pretty clear that we went into that Rams game Thursday with the Jimmy G Rams gameplan. Get the ball out quick. The passing chart shows we took very few deep or even intermediate shots. And no question Mac executed it to perfection. Would we have had the same gameplan with Brock at QB? I would think so but I have no way of knowing it.

Question is do we have a different game plan for Brock because Kyle thinks he can handle more? A lot of the plays people are yelling for Brock to get the ball out quicker there are no great looks and difference between Brock and Mac is Brock knows he can buy time in the pocket and find a play(may not always happen that way) but Mac understands his limitations mobility wise. If he sees an ugly play he'll get the ball out.

It's a balancing act. We all love the big plays and if you're constantly checking the ball down it limits your offense. This is the issue we had with Alex Smith and later with Jimmy G. Now we're starting to celebrate this type of play again because it's worked for us during our wins.

Eventually it won't work and then what?

It's all about balance. I went back to look at Brock's turnovers this year and the only one that looked to me like a bad decision by Brock where he should've checked it down or just thrown the ball away was the 2nd pick vs Seattle. An inexcusable type of throw IMO.

I was never a believer in Kyle altering play calls for different QBs. As far as deep, short, middle, outside, quick etc..... sure the game plan changes from week to week but I dont think it changes for what I stated.

During Jimmy's tenure people said Kyle was afraid to call plays deep or outside because of Jimmy. I truly believed he called the same type of game the QB decides where the ball goes. Mullens was never afraid to go deep. Jimmy was.

I think that's the same thing you're seeing here with Brock and Mac. I don't think the plan is different the execution from the QBs are different.

Also, Mac has taking his deep shots. He just hasn't been looking for it every other play.

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Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

He shot out of a cannon his first year, but after that it has been a slow decline. Not sure the reasons behind it, but I wish we could get the young Purdy back.

Surprisingly similar arc to Jimmy G's tenure with the 49ers so far. I remember posting game stats of both, when they both had CMC (and the rest of the gang) and they were almost identical. He's thrown way too many interceptions last year and this year. And that's my main hesitation with him atm. It's nerve wracking watching him drop back now. Your QB1 shouldn't make you feel that way. Let's hope he gets healthy and gets out of this funk.

The narrative always works against Brock even if people have to straight up lie. Not saying you are knowingly lying, but nobody ever gives him credit for winning without Deebo his rookie year. It's always "here's his comparison with Jimmy and the whole cast"…….no it wasn't the whole cast

Then the next season the big narrative was that he can't win without Deebo, when he had already done it multiple times. So many things that have been said about him that are straight up lies (like he's been a bottom half qb for 20 games now or whatever)

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
He shot out of a cannon his first year, but after that it has been a slow decline. Not sure the reasons behind it, but I wish we could get the young Purdy back.

It's a tough sell to say he shot out of a cannon his first year if you're talking about 2023 and forgetting the whole 8 starts he had(including 3 in the playoffs) during his rookie season.

And you're not sure of the reasons? How about the constant player shuffle due to injury on offense or the terrible special teams and defense play last season?

Yeah that take was whack. Dude was on fire his rookie year and he nearly won MVP and got us to the Super Bowl his first full year starting. Our team was decimated by injuries last year, special teams was terrible, and our defense couldn't hold a 10 point lead with 2 minutes to go. Brock play well given the circumstances. The sample size this year is 2 games, and one of them he was clearly still injured.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by genus49:
You know you're going to get push back simply on the fact that the article is by Grant Cohn.

I don't necessarily disagree that Brock is holding the ball too long but I also think that people throw that out there in bad faith. It's easy to say he's holding the ball too long but the why is important.

I think it was pretty clear that we went into that Rams game Thursday with the Jimmy G Rams gameplan. Get the ball out quick. The passing chart shows we took very few deep or even intermediate shots. And no question Mac executed it to perfection. Would we have had the same gameplan with Brock at QB? I would think so but I have no way of knowing it.

Question is do we have a different game plan for Brock because Kyle thinks he can handle more? A lot of the plays people are yelling for Brock to get the ball out quicker there are no great looks and difference between Brock and Mac is Brock knows he can buy time in the pocket and find a play(may not always happen that way) but Mac understands his limitations mobility wise. If he sees an ugly play he'll get the ball out.

It's a balancing act. We all love the big plays and if you're constantly checking the ball down it limits your offense. This is the issue we had with Alex Smith and later with Jimmy G. Now we're starting to celebrate this type of play again because it's worked for us during our wins.

Eventually it won't work and then what?

It's all about balance. I went back to look at Brock's turnovers this year and the only one that looked to me like a bad decision by Brock where he should've checked it down or just thrown the ball away was the 2nd pick vs Seattle. An inexcusable type of throw IMO.

I was never a believer in Kyle altering play calls for different QBs. As far as deep, short, middle, outside, quick etc..... sure the game plan changes from week to week but I dont think it changes for what I stated.

During Jimmy's tenure people said Kyle was afraid to call plays deep or outside because of Jimmy. I truly believed he called the same type of game the QB decides where the ball goes. Mullens was never afraid to go deep. Jimmy was.

I think that's the same thing you're seeing here with Brock and Mac. I don't think the plan is different the execution from the QBs are different.

Also, Mac has taking his deep shots. He just hasn't been looking for it every other play.

To a degree I think you're right. But for the Rams game it wasn't just about difference in QBs it was based on the personnel we had and the strengths and weaknesses of the Rams. Everything going into that game screamed Jimmy G type of game vs the Rams and I'm shocked the Rams weren't ready for it. That plan was 100% intended to get the ball out quickly.

I also don't think Kyle was afraid to call deep plays or outside plays for Jimmy. I simply think Jimmy avoided taking those shots most of the time. Though ironically he would take those type of shots when his arm couldn't make those throws.

I don't have the time to do it but if someone else does I would love to count how many 7 step drops Kyle calls for Mac vs Brock.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by krizay:
Hopefully that SI article on the front page will help people to understand why some think Purdy's issues go further than this year and his current injuries. SI article explains exactly what some of us were saying.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/how-brock-purdy-slowly-regressed-49ers-starting-quarterback

Anyone aligning their opinion with Grant Cohns is bold......

...is "bold" the right word?

Defensive coordinators may have picked out that Brock's early success was based on throwing over the middle. His timing and accuracy were impressive. But if the DCs have plugged up the middle, that may have forced Brock to throw outside, challenging his arm strength. He has also thrown "lucky" passes. The final TD vs. Seattle in week 1 is an example. I agree with those who say last season is not a fair basis to judge Brock. Still, Brock has many intangibles including quick processing and quick feet. Let him recover fully with no risk of aggravating the injury. Regardless, the 49ers will have a valuable trade possibility in the off-season, if not before.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Defensive coordinators may have picked out that Brock's early success was based on throwing over the middle. His timing and accuracy were impressive. But if the DCs have plugged up the middle, that may have forced Brock to throw outside, challenging his arm strength. He has also thrown "lucky" passes. The final TD vs. Seattle in week 1 is an example. I agree with those who say last season is not a fair basis to judge Brock. Still, Brock has many intangibles including quick processing and quick feet. Let him recover fully with no risk of aggravating the injury. Regardless, the 49ers will have a valuable trade possibility in the off-season, if not before.

Possibly. 2 TE sets could definitely help him out

Originally posted by Youngone:

Originally posted by krizay:
Hopefully that SI article on the front page will help people to understand why some think Purdy's issues go further than this year and his current injuries. SI article explains exactly what some of us were saying.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/how-brock-purdy-slowly-regressed-49ers-starting-quarterback

lol, f**k grant cohn

Second that opinion. Especially after he called out Sigle. Granted, the kid needs to be a bit tighter on his coverage. But he's one of the big reasons why the Rams were stopped cold on a 4th and 1 play that delivered an improbable victory. You just don't overlook that. Grant did. Horrible reporting.