QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Don't waste your time. He suffers from being the charter member of the Alex Smith Syndrome club. You'll never convince him that Alex Smith ever did a single good thing in his entire career or be able to make a reasonable argument about the various plusses and minuses of his game. In fact, if you were to post a lament about Nick Bosa going down with a knee injury this year, he would find a way to blame it on Alex Smith.

Respectfully, I think Alex Smith wasn't very good. I just vehemently disagree that a checkdown, from a QB who clearly needs to check it down more, would be inherently Alex Smith-style and a bad thing. He also thought it was 'comical' that an errant over the middle pass that results in an interception reminded some people of Jimmy G. It's baffling.

Not specifically directed at SWH but I think there are knowledge gaps and a lack of objectivity in the vast majority of these arguments. It's pretty much always the same s**t regardless of who the current players are.

The difference in the perspectives of this play is that you see the fact that a pass rusher was right on Purdy when he released the ball as a reckless, hero ball type of decision....while I see a wide open CMC downfield as exactly where I would want my QB to throw the ball.

When I brought up Alex Smith, its because Alex would take the short easy throw 100 times out of 100, and often times miss out on a huge play. Well thats exactly what would have happened here. Now, Purdy didnt make an accurate throw. But the decision to throw it there is what you and I will simply just disagree on.

Can you and I at least agree that if the ball was thrown accurately, its at the very least a HUGE gain (even if you wont go as far as saying it would have been an easy touchdown)?

(and for the record, I thought it was comical that the pass reminded people of Jimmy G because, much like Alex Smith, I dont believe Jimmy would have even attempted that pass)

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Brock shouldn't be out there Thursday. He's clearly not 100% and I don't trust him right now..

He is better off healing. Team knows Mac can do it.

I think what you and all of the "Mac should have started" people are clearly missing is the fact that Mac is hurt too. If Mac wasnt hurt, he absolutely would have started against Jacksonville.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Agreed. Shut him down for the season and let him heal up.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The difference in the perspectives of this play is that you see the fact that a pass rusher was right on Purdy when he released the ball as a reckless, hero ball type of decision....while I see a wide open CMC downfield as exactly where I would want my QB to throw the ball.

When I brought up Alex Smith, its because Alex would take the short easy throw 100 times out of 100, and often times miss out on a huge play. Well thats exactly what would have happened here. Now, Purdy didnt make an accurate throw. But the decision to throw it there is what you and I will simply just disagree on.

Can you and I at least agree that if the ball was thrown accurately, its at the very least a HUGE gain (even if you wont go as far as saying it would have been an easy touchdown)?

(and for the record, I thought it was comical that the pass reminded people of Jimmy G because, much like Alex Smith, I dont believe Jimmy would have even attempted that pass)

That's not entirely correct. There is also the aspect of why the rusher is basically right on top of him when he releases the ball. I touched on it in a previous post.

Of course I agree that it's a big play if the ball is accurately thrown and completed. That ball wasn't randomly inaccurate though.

After 9 frigging years you'd think you could be on board with the best QB we have had in a long time. I think many won't be happy until the next John Doe is in the line-up so you can start all over again.

The injuries suck but we will get thru.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The difference in the perspectives of this play is that you see the fact that a pass rusher was right on Purdy when he released the ball as a reckless, hero ball type of decision....while I see a wide open CMC downfield as exactly where I would want my QB to throw the ball.

When I brought up Alex Smith, its because Alex would take the short easy throw 100 times out of 100, and often times miss out on a huge play. Well thats exactly what would have happened here. Now, Purdy didnt make an accurate throw. But the decision to throw it there is what you and I will simply just disagree on.

Can you and I at least agree that if the ball was thrown accurately, its at the very least a HUGE gain (even if you wont go as far as saying it would have been an easy touchdown)?

(and for the record, I thought it was comical that the pass reminded people of Jimmy G because, much like Alex Smith, I dont believe Jimmy would have even attempted that pass)

That's not entirely correct. There is also the aspect of why the rusher is basically right on top of him when he releases the ball. I touched on it in a previous post.

Of course I agree that it's a big play if the ball is accurately thrown and completed. That ball wasn't randomly inaccurate though.

Right. The play took a little longer to develop because CMC was being held (of course no call). I think that CMC broke free early enough that Purdy still thought he could get him the ball before the rusher got there. I think that if he was held for a split second longer, Purdy would have gone to the check down. Its not like Purdy never checks down. He just opts for the bigger play if its there too.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Well, when you have no running game, most of your WRs hurt, Kittle hurt, and Trent playing horrible (in spite of what PFF says), there arent many QBs that can make up for that.

Yeha and the ones that can't make up fot that shouldn't get paid a top-7 contract

Actually, it is a top-8 contract.

It is worth noting that Lawrence and Tua are getting paid MORE than Purdy. How much are they making up for?

Sure, Purdy needs to return to the level he has been in the past but SWH's comment is pivotal: With no running game, and a whole bunch of key players out or limited by injury, Purdy included, the chasm is too great to cross right now.

Its just Nick Wright-esque talking points. "A top paid QB should be able to overcome blah blah blah."

We have quite a few Nick Wright's in here.

Originally posted by Patton:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Dude....you are ridiculous today. Every one of your posts is flat out wrong. That's a touchdown if he catches it. Kyle agrees.

I'll disagree. He's gotta reach up and grab that and run in stride? AND it doesn't matter because it was a poorly thrown ball regardless.

Lol, Bro….stop.

He's relentless. Actually arguing that the right read was to a stagnant Juice standing 2-3 yards behind the LOS with his back to the defense and a defender close by.

Keep letting it rip, Brock. Playing scared is whack.

We've seen Brock throw the ball accurately with a defender in his face before. Many times. It's just not as easy when you can't throw with your normal mechanics due to a debilitating foot injury.

Kyle Posey broke down the play on YouTube and I think I agree with him. It's not a bad decision, just a bad throw (caused by a horrific toe injury that might have killed a lesser man.)


(His breakdown of the play starts at around 6 minutes in.)

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Right. The play took a little longer to develop because CMC was being held (of course no call). I think that CMC broke free early enough that Purdy still thought he could get him the ball before the rusher got there. I think that if he was held for a split second longer, Purdy would have gone to the check down. Its not like Purdy never checks down. He just opts for the bigger play if its there too.

It's not all or nothing. Purdy does check it down some. But holding the ball too long, forcing the issue downfield, etc… these are well covered issues at this point.

It's a minuscule sample size so far this season, but there isn't an indication of real improvement in that area. Job #1 is protecting the football.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Right. The play took a little longer to develop because CMC was being held (of course no call). I think that CMC broke free early enough that Purdy still thought he could get him the ball before the rusher got there. I think that if he was held for a split second longer, Purdy would have gone to the check down. Its not like Purdy never checks down. He just opts for the bigger play if its there too.

It's not all or nothing. Purdy does check it down some. But holding the ball too long, forcing the issue downfield, etc… these are well covered issues at this point.

It's a minuscule sample size so far this season, but there isn't an indication of real improvement in that area. Job #1 is protecting the football.

Yeah and again, we simply just wont agree that this is an instance of "forcing" the ball downfield.

And this is why that Purdy's fumble on Sunday was the play I had the biggest problem with. The 2nd pick was bad too, but it was tipped. Would it have been picked off anyway? Maybe. Probably even. But we dont know for sure. The fumble just cant happen. There needs to be more awareness.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Agreed. Shut him down for the season and let him heal up.

It's preferable to forcing him out there week after week when he's not healthy and can barely practice. They need to let him heal.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yeah and again, we simply just wont agree that this is an instance of "forcing" the ball downfield.

And this is why that Purdy's fumble on Sunday was the play I had the biggest problem with. The 2nd pick was bad too, but it was tipped. Would it have been picked off anyway? Maybe. Probably even. But we dont know for sure. The fumble just cant happen. There needs to be more awareness.

For clarity, I think 'holding the ball too long' and 'forcing the ball downfield' are basically one and the same. It's not coming off a route when maybe it's time to. Your target is hemmed up… timing is off… you're out on an island with a pass rusher coming. It wasn't a chuck and duck but it was close I think.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:


(His breakdown of the play starts at around 6 minutes in.)

Who da funk is Kyle Posey?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yeah and again, we simply just wont agree that this is an instance of "forcing" the ball downfield.

And this is why that Purdy's fumble on Sunday was the play I had the biggest problem with. The 2nd pick was bad too, but it was tipped. Would it have been picked off anyway? Maybe. Probably even. But we dont know for sure. The fumble just cant happen. There needs to be more awareness.

For clarity, I'd think 'holding the ball too long' and 'forcing the ball downfield' are basically one and the same. It's not coming off a route when maybe it's time to. Your target is hemmed up… timing is off… you're out on an island with a pass rusher coming. It wasn't a chuck and duck but it was close I think.

PLAY selections were dull.... 80% of the team came out FLAT !!