QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49ers81:
Well, once again, you're missing the point. I'm not arguing that these guys aren't high caliber players within their systems. All I'm saying is that for all of the high esteem that people hold them in, it hasn't translated into them winning the games that matter. Have Jackson or Allen won a Super Bowl that I've missed? Have they even gotten to a Super Bowl? Jackson has one of the saddest playoff records you can imagine for a guy who has won two MVP awards. There were a lot of reasons why the 49ers didn't do well last year, and Brock's play contributed to that, as he himself acknowledged. I'm also not saying that because Brock got to a Super Bowl that he is a better player than either of them, he has physical limitations that obviously restrict his ability to be as dynamic a runner or thrower of the football than either of those guys. It may be that Allen and Jackson finally break their playoff curses and go on to win multiple Super Bowls each, or they may both end up being the next Dan Marino, QBs with exceptional individual traits at the position who could never quite bring home the prize in what is perhaps the ultimate team sport.

Alrighty.

2025 brock highlights

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
If Lamar or Allen were in the NFC they'd have been in a SB.

Eagles also just won a SB hiding their QBs inability to play the position.

I think that's immensely unfair to the man 9ers4.
The Eagles put up (I forget the score) 40-something points with this QB and his alleged "inability."

Originally posted by Isosceles:
I think that's immensely unfair to the man 9ers4.
The Eagles put up (I forget the score) 40-something points with this QB and his alleged "inability."

Defense scored 7.
Got an int that setup a 14 yard drive (TD)
Got a fumble that resulted in a 1 yard drive(FG)

That's 17 points the defense basically got out of the 40 they scored

Originally posted by Izyniner:
And if my aunt was my uncle then wait what man I always screw this up. Oh yeah what if I picked the lottery winner oh wait that's not right either. Damn it let me go look through my book of what ifs.

Wut a lazy ass response.

Originally posted by 49erKing:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
81, what was the difference between Brock and the 49ers performance between 2023 and 2024?

Why did the 49ers make the SB in 2023, but manage a mere 6 wins the following season? Did Brock forget how to process information quickly? Did he lose a step in scrambling ability?

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There sometimes seem to be a desire among some fans to isolate the physical gifts that some of the great QB's in the league have and compare them to the mental game of a player like Brock Purdy, as if it's an either/or choice between those traits. You don't throw for 40+ td passes and less than 5 interceptions if you can't process NFL defenses and make good decisions. Guys like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are not out there simply thriving off their physical traits. They are every bit as smart as Purdy on the field, if not smarter, and they have the physical gifts as an added dimension to their game. That's what makes them two of the best players in the game. They are simply better players than Purdy (at least currently) and if you can't see that, you have a lot to learn.

Though the Chiefs would have had a chance to respond with a TD on their own, how do you all see Josh or Lamar behind center on that last fateful play in OT during our last SB when Burford whiffed on their assignment and let Chris Jones immediately into the backfield untouched...

1) Lamar - maybe he would have spun to his left as soon as he saw Jones bearing down on him, then dumped off to CMC for the TD?
2) Allen - maybe he would have gone to Kittle as soon as he saw Jones barrelling towards him as I guess he would have saw Kittle a bit better than Brock could due to his height?

Funny cuz didn't we just see Allen face an all out blitz that got through quickly on him? How did that go? Cuz I know it wasn't him making a checkdown. He chucked it down the field and while it was almost a catch…it wasn't and the Bills lost that game because he couldn't make that play.

I'm not going to speculate on what Lamar would've done cuz he had home field vs that chiefs defense and couldn't lead them to more than 10 points.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
They are constantly used as guys that can carry the team. I think pointing out that they have no rings is just a counter to the thought that we need one of them

it's a strawman, no one says josh allen alone will win a ring. teams wins rings. individuals do not. frank gore has no rings. cmc has no rings, and he fumbled in his super bowl. ty davis price has a ring. i guess TDP got the job done, that gore could not do. do we see how dumb this sounds? only a troll would say aha TDP has a ring, and CMC does not. as if that makes TDP better or says anything. it doesn't.

You realize people have literally done this with coaches right? We had several people here claim Sirianni is a better HC than Shanahan cuz he won a SB. Simple as that.

And you're going to extremes but look at how many people suddenly have Jalen Hurts in their top 5 at QB after he won the SB. How many even had him top 10 a few weeks prior to that?

And don't play the "it's a strawman argument" when plenty of people went to that type of thinking when discussing how much Brock should get paid. Obviously nobody expects a QB to go out there on his own and win a SB but the comments were filled with "Brock isn't good enough to take over a game and win with lesser talent"

Who says what lesser talent means? How do you account for all the other stuff? Every time you play the hypothetical QB swap game there is no real proof of what would've happened. Same crap was said between Brady and Manning. It's dumb. Each guy had their benefits and detriments with their own teams they had to overcome or glow up from.

QBs continue to develop and grow. Allen wasn't anything close to elite his first two seasons. Suddenly they added talent around him and suddenly he was a machine and he's only gotten better as he developed the mental part of the game to go with his physical tools. Same with Lamar.

But they need help like all the other guys.

Originally posted by genus49:
You realize people have literally done this with coaches right? We had several people here claim Sirianni is a better HC than Shanahan cuz he won a SB. Simple as that.

And you're going to extremes but look at how many people suddenly have Jalen Hurts in their top 5 at QB after he won the SB. How many even had him top 10 a few weeks prior to that?

And don't play the "it's a strawman argument" when plenty of people went to that type of thinking when discussing how much Brock should get paid. Obviously nobody expects a QB to go out there on his own and win a SB but the comments were filled with "Brock isn't good enough to take over a game and win with lesser talent"

Who says what lesser talent means? How do you account for all the other stuff? Every time you play the hypothetical QB swap game there is no real proof of what would've happened. Same crap was said between Brady and Manning. It's dumb. Each guy had their benefits and detriments with their own teams they had to overcome or glow up from.

QBs continue to develop and grow. Allen wasn't anything close to elite his first two seasons. Suddenly they added talent around him and suddenly he was a machine and he's only gotten better as he developed the mental part of the game to go with his physical tools. Same with Lamar.

But they need help like all the other guys.

That's explicitly what he said in his post.

The crap you're highlighting in your post is better directed to the guy judging QB accomplishment by team accomplishment, and wondering why guys like Allen and Lamar are praised in spite of not having won a SB.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Isosceles:
I think that's immensely unfair to the man 9ers4.
The Eagles put up (I forget the score) 40-something points with this QB and his alleged "inability."

Defense scored 7.
Got an int that setup a 14 yard drive (TD)
Got a fumble that resulted in a 1 yard drive(FG)

That's 17 points the defense basically got out of the 40 they scored

OK I won't argue any of that (bolded).
But "inability"?
I guess, to each his own QB description.

[but, ahem. back to Brock ]

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it's just par for the course in here, where ppl feel a need to do gymnastics to put down other QBs. invariably when talking QB, we will mention some of the other guys in the league, and some of the other guys can play. the fact they can play isn't a brock insult. no need to defend his honor, just cuz some other QBs out there are doing their job well. i see a lot of very good QB play in the league, in SF and around the nfl too. nothing wrong with that.

Mental gymnastics like arguing running out the back of the endzone was a smart play?

Originally posted by krizay:
Defense scored 7.
Got an int that setup a 14 yard drive (TD)
Got a fumble that resulted in a 1 yard drive(FG)

That's 17 points the defense basically got out of the 40 they scored

Not to mention all the drives with great field position. Basically Hurts did what Russ did in his Sb, stat padded once the game was over.

Originally posted by Isosceles:
OK I won't argue any of that (bolded).
But "inability"?
I guess, to each his own QB description.

[but, ahem. back to Brock ]

Yes inability. Ever seen his spray chart? It's basically all outside the numbers. If he feels a rusher he's moving almost every time. Kellen Moore had to change the offense to compensate for Hurts.

Eagles team carried Hurts in 24 far more than the 23 9ers ever carried Brock,

Darnold has been talking about his time here and Brock again! I feel like Mac jones is going to leave here ready to help a team out a lot more.

"Brock helped me a ton," Darnold said. "With certain things of how to prepare and even just watching him play. Just how he processes on the field and all those certain things."

"First of all, I think his poise," Darnold said of Purdy. "Whether he made a good play, a bad play, you celebrate on the field with your teammates, you get pumped, but then you come right back to the sideline and you have the same demeanor. That was something I always admired about Brock.

"And then the other thing. Is how he prepared. I say this all the time, but I give Brock a ton of credit in showing me the ropes that way. He showed me so much in how to prepare and how to study. He was so helpful that way."

"Obviously, you think you're spending more time in the facility and you're going over the plays, you think you're doing a good job, especially when I was a young quarterback in New York," Darnold said. "I think understanding how to do it was the most important thing for me.

"I feel like Brock, and Brandon Allen as well, really showed me the ropes on how to better prepare as a quarterback in this league, and I'm going to take that with me for the rest of my career."

Darnold also gave a significant amount of credit to Kyle Shanahan and the 49ers coaching staff for how he now analyzes plays developing in the field. How the head coach and then-quarterbacks coach Brian Griese simplified plays is an aspect of the game that the quarterback will continue to utilize.

"I think that's the biggest thing that I learned going there was just to trust the progressions and if something is not there, trust it, and move on to the next one and the next one," Darnold said. "If that's not there, then be able to make a play potentially, but understand where my outs are. If I'm hot, understand where

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

it's just par for the course in here, where ppl feel a need to do gymnastics to put down other QBs. invariably when talking QB, we will mention some of the other guys in the league, and some of the other guys can play. the fact they can play isn't a brock insult. no need to defend his honor, just cuz some other QBs out there are doing their job well. i see a lot of very good QB play in the league, in SF and around the nfl too. nothing wrong with that.

Mental gymnastics like arguing running out the back of the endzone was a smart play?

Now that's mental gymnastics lol. Saying that Lamar and Allen haven't won anything is just a fact. There is no mental gymnastics required. If they are the guys that can carry the team, then they shouldn't be 0-14

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Now that's mental gymnastics lol. Saying that Lamar and Allen haven't won anything is just a fact. There is no mental gymnastics required. If they are the guys that can carry the team, then they shouldn't be 0-14

Hey somebody remind me, what are they "0-14" in?
Thanks