QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
one of the most confusing posts of all time right here. dilfer didn't play 'well enough' to get the job done. that's like saying scott burrell played well enough for chicago bulls to win rings. no, jordan played well enough. burrell happened to be on the team with jordan. that's what happened. dilfer happened to be on a team with ray lewis and that defense. he didn't do anything man.

It's not confusing, it's just really bad analysis.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by genus49:
To be fair I hate how some in our fanbase put down QBs for not getting to the SB when they have to go up against the same team we lost to, to get there.

Personally I put more emphasis on how QBs perform in the playoffs because I believe that's when there's more pressure and you're facing the best teams for the most part. That's why I'm so high on Brock. It wasn't always perfect but there was never a game where he looked lost or shell shocked.

However Josh Allen and Lamar are easily in the elite category for me. I'm VERY particular in regards to that elite label so to me there is a group at the top with Mahomes, Allen and Lamar. Joe Burrow is on the outside looking in in his own category.

I do think Justin Herbert is an excellent QB BUT his playoff performances are hard to overlook.

I think there is something to the styles makes fights type of thing. Where we're a lot better vs teams who play heavy zone(look at the Chicago game last year) vs teams who can play heavy press. I don't think that's a Purdy issue either. That's more of our personnel and OL situation though Brock's arm limitations are more likely to come up against that type of defense since the windows are usually smaller and throwing with anticipation is harder. I'm hoping we take a step forward in being able to play better vs those defenses.

Excited to see our young WRs show what they can do but would've loved to add some size out there cuz I do think Brock prefers his receivers on the larger size.

And how have Allen and Jackson performed in the playoffs? Seems to me that has been their Achillies heel ever since they've been in the league. Some people seem to think that I'm knocking these guys or saying that Brock's lack of measurables aren't a thing. It would be great if he were three inches taller and had a bit more velocity on his throws, but the argument seems to be that because Allen, Jackson, and Herbert have all of the physical tools and can throw the ball 60 yards downfield that qualifies as them as elite, even though they have yet to accomplish that other phony metric that people like to throw around in here, which is, "Oh, he's an okay QB but he can't "carry" his team to wins.

I don't think anyone would argue that Dan Marino was one of the most "Elite" QBs to play the game in terms of his ability to theow the ball, and I wouldn't argue that at all, but what did he actually end up accomplishing for the team's legacy beyond putting up some great numbers? And, yes, when judging QBs accomplishments matter, but they're not the only consideration. I don't think anyone is going to mistake guys like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer for elite QBs because they won Super Bowls, but for one season they played well enough to get the job done, which is more than Allen and Jackson have managed.

Allen has been terrific. Lamar has obviously not done as well as he should given that twice he won league MVP and failed to reach the SB...especially in the 2019 fail with the one and done to a much weaker Titans team.

Still for the most part they're losing to other top level AFC teams...including each other. Allen has lost how many games to KC in the playoffs? One after getting the lead with 13 seconds left or something like that? That's crazy to fault a guy for losing a game like that.

I think Allen and Lamar have both evolved from just big type athletes making crazy plays to just playing great QB.

Since going 1 and done to that Titans team Lamar has lost 3 times in the playoffs it was to Allen twice and Mahomes once.

Allen since going one and done in OT to Houston in 2020 he lost to Mahomes 4 times and Joe Burrow the other time.

I'm not going to bash Purdy for losing to Mahomes and the Chiefs. Why would I do the same for those guys?

I think it's time to stop arguing over whether Brock is a top 5, top 10 or whatever QB. Time to stop using stats to convince people that he's great or he's just average. Time to stop arguing over what he should make since the contract is done.

Let's just look forward to a season that hopefully won't be a disaster like last year. Let's hope Brock can bounce back this season now that he's got CMC and hopefully an improved Pearsall. Let's hope he can continue to build his relationship with Pearsall and maybe Cowings. Aiyuk may not be ready until the 2nd half of the season but maybe Jennings can continue to improve. The defense should be better which should help the offense with better field position.

The arguments are getting redundant and boring. Let's all get behind Brock and the rest of then team now that we're heading into camp time. It won't be long an dthe season will be here.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I think it's time to stop arguing over whether Brock is a top 5, top 10 or whatever QB. Time to stop using stats to convince people that he's great or he's just average. Time to stop arguing over what he should make since the contract is done.

Let's just look forward to a season that hopefully won't be a disaster like last year. Let's hope Brock can bounce back this season now that he's got CMC and hopefully an improved Pearsall. Let's hope he can continue to build his relationship with Pearsall and maybe Cowings. Aiyuk may not be ready until the 2nd half of the season but maybe Jennings can continue to improve. The defense should be better which should help the offense with better field position.

The arguments are getting redundant and boring. Let's all get behind Brock and the rest of then team now that we're heading into camp time. It won't be long an dthe season will be here.

Yeah it's always nice when your players are regarded as the best in the game(since it tends to mean good things for the franchise) but I personally don't care where people have Brock ranked. I just care about how he plays for us and hope he gets us more wins, and a bunch that come at the end of the postseason.

Originally posted by genus49:
Personally I felt stronger about Brock's future after last season. 2023 just showed me he's able to get us to the end if we have a team around him.

Last year showed me that when things are pretty sh*tty he's still going to perform. It may not be MVP talks level play or even willing the team to the playoffs but he didn't crumble out there and had the defense or special teams not been extra special both in some personnel/injuries as well as coaching then we're in the playoffs in all likelihood even with all the disaster on offense.

The reality is that if special teams wasn't awful or the run defense, we were a few plays away from starting the season 5-1 or so. We just kept hurting ourselves early in the season and then it all just crumbled.

Brock's the man. I think Brock is going to get better, he's not played 2.5 seasons and if you look throughout history, a lot of guys get tons better going into year 4, 5, and 6. Brock is made of the right stuff and as he gets more experience and health around him, I think we will see him play chess out there at a high level.

He reminds me a lot of Drew Bree's. Drew took a few years before he became elite, I think Brock is going to do the same thing. He loves the game of football and is a student of it. He's obsessed with getting better.

everything is going to work out and we are going to play a home game in the Sb this year. It'll be effin beautiful.

Originally posted by tankle104:
The reality is that if special teams wasn't awful or the run defense, we were a few plays away from starting the season 5-1 or so. We just kept hurting ourselves early in the season and then it all just crumbled.

Brock's the man. I think Brock is going to get better, he's not played 2.5 seasons and if you look throughout history, a lot of guys get tons better going into year 4, 5, and 6. Brock is made of the right stuff and as he gets more experience and health around him, I think we will see him play chess out there at a high level.

He reminds me a lot of Drew Bree's. Drew took a few years before he became elite, I think Brock is going to do the same thing. He loves the game of football and is a student of it. He's obsessed with getting better.

everything is going to work out and we are going to play a home game in the Sb this year. It'll be effin beautiful.

Speak it tankle104, speak it!

I'm in...

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by tankle104:
The reality is that if special teams wasn't awful or the run defense, we were a few plays away from starting the season 5-1 or so. We just kept hurting ourselves early in the season and then it all just crumbled.

Brock's the man. I think Brock is going to get better, he's not played 2.5 seasons and if you look throughout history, a lot of guys get tons better going into year 4, 5, and 6. Brock is made of the right stuff and as he gets more experience and health around him, I think we will see him play chess out there at a high level.

He reminds me a lot of Drew Bree's. Drew took a few years before he became elite, I think Brock is going to do the same thing. He loves the game of football and is a student of it. He's obsessed with getting better.

everything is going to work out and we are going to play a home game in the Sb this year. It'll be effin beautiful.

Speak it tankle104, speak it!

Lol I'm trying to speak it into existence! I know it's unlikely but I'll be hopeful until proven otherwise.

ive never understood why some fans are negative until proven otherwise, whats the point in being a fan then? Sports are supposed to be fun and full of disbelief and awesome things.

Until the story book ending of us winning a chip at home is no longer possible, I'll hold out hope for it.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol I'm trying to speak it into existence! I know it's unlikely but I'll be hopeful until proven otherwise.

ive never understood why some fans are negative until proven otherwise, whats the point in being a fan then? Sports are supposed to be fun and full of disbelief and awesome things.

Until the story book ending of us winning a chip at home is no longer possible, I'll hold out hope for it.

When you are a miserable human being you want everyone else to be miserable.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol I'm trying to speak it into existence! I know it's unlikely but I'll be hopeful until proven otherwise.

ive never understood why some fans are negative until proven otherwise, whats the point in being a fan then? Sports are supposed to be fun and full of disbelief and awesome things.

Until the story book ending of us winning a chip at home is no longer possible, I'll hold out hope for it.

When you are a miserable human being you want everyone else to be miserable.

Pretty much. Plus these days when you can get paid for social media/youtube content it's easier to get clicks and people talking about your stuff when you're negative.

I'm guilty of it myself. I see takes that are absurd and I'm more likely to keep talking about them than I would a positive take.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol I'm trying to speak it into existence! I know it's unlikely but I'll be hopeful until proven otherwise.

ive never understood why some fans are negative until proven otherwise, whats the point in being a fan then? Sports are supposed to be fun and full of disbelief and awesome things.

Until the story book ending of us winning a chip at home is no longer possible, I'll hold out hope for it.

When you are a miserable human being you want everyone else to be miserable.

I mean we're all individuals. I've seen fans tense as hell week after week only to become super positive and cheery come kickoff. I've also seen completely the opposite.

I prefer to save the unrealistic, cheery stuff for gameday and and become an avid follower at all other times, but to each his own.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol I'm trying to speak it into existence! I know it's unlikely but I'll be hopeful until proven otherwise.

ive never understood why some fans are negative until proven otherwise, whats the point in being a fan then? Sports are supposed to be fun and full of disbelief and awesome things.

Until the story book ending of us winning a chip at home is no longer possible, I'll hold out hope for it.

When you are a miserable human being you want everyone else to be miserable.

Pretty much. Plus these days when you can get paid for social media/youtube content it's easier to get clicks and people talking about your stuff when you're negative.

I'm guilty of it myself. I see takes that are absurd and I'm more likely to keep talking about them than I would a positive take.

Just to be clear, I don't think it's bad for someone to criticize a move or player etc on the team. That's fine, just explain it in a constructive way and why you don't like it - whether it's through film, performance, your opinion on a scheme fit etc. I'm good with all of that but there is a way to do it.

Going off like "omg that's so dumb. These guys are idiots and should be fired. Dumbest move ever. Worst player ever. Etc etc".

I just like it when someone breaks down why something is bad or not working and explains it rationally.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I think it's time to stop arguing over whether Brock is a top 5, top 10 or whatever QB. Time to stop using stats to convince people that he's great or he's just average. Time to stop arguing over what he should make since the contract is done.

Let's just look forward to a season that hopefully won't be a disaster like last year. Let's hope Brock can bounce back this season now that he's got CMC and hopefully an improved Pearsall. Let's hope he can continue to build his relationship with Pearsall and maybe Cowings. Aiyuk may not be ready until the 2nd half of the season but maybe Jennings can continue to improve. The defense should be better which should help the offense with better field position.

The arguments are getting redundant and boring. Let's all get behind Brock and the rest of then team now that we're heading into camp time. It won't be long an dthe season will be here.

Agree. Very redundant. Can't wait for the season to start

The road to the Santa Clara SB begins soon

Originally posted by random49er:
I mean we're all individuals. I've seen fans tense as hell week after week only to become super positive and cheery come kickoff. I've also seen completely the opposite.

I prefer to save the unrealistic, cheery stuff for gameday and and become an avid follower at all other times, but to each his own.

Tense is fine. Hell even negative can be fine.

When the only contributions are trolling you are a miserable person.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
one of the most confusing posts of all time right here. dilfer didn't play 'well enough' to get the job done. that's like saying scott burrell played well enough for chicago bulls to win rings. no, jordan played well enough. burrell happened to be on the team with jordan. that's what happened. dilfer happened to be on a team with ray lewis and that defense. he didn't do anything man.

What's confusing about it? Trent Dilfer was the QB of a team that won to the Super Bowl by a score of 34-7, he only completed about 50% of his passes but they won the game going away because of the team's other strengths. Ergo, for one season, Trent Dilfer played well enough for the team to win the game's biggest prize. Doesn't mean he played great and doesn't mean someone else couldn't have done better, it just means his play that year didn't cost them the prize they were after. It's just a simple statement of fact.

On the other hand, while I'm no expert on the history of Lamar Jackson's playoff runs, it seems to me the reason they lost a lot of those games was because he didn't play well. A quick Google search shows that in 2019, when he won his first MVP award, they lost in the Divisional round 28-12 in a game where Jackson threw 2 picks and lost a fumble. So the guy who was deemed the league's most valuable player couldn't help them get it done when it counted. It seems to me that, based on the criteria that a lot of people in here like to apply to the term elite, e.g. a player who can carry his team to wins, that wasn't a very elite like performance, and in the end, he couldn't deliver the Raven's the same result as their journeyman QB did several years before. Again, it's a simple statement of fact.