QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Agree with the bold. Only film will tell you the story there. Team influenced statistics will not. They can point in a direction but only analysis of all players involved will provide context and a basis for understanding why the numbers are what they are. It's not a belief, though it is subjective. So are conclusions derived from select statistics.

I never called Purdy a check down guy. I mentioned he had limited arm strength and like always the conversation morphs into one centered around deep passing. Deep passing is one facet. There's also stretching the field horizontally, fitting balls into the middle of field outside of relying on elite anticipation and hitting an open zone. It could be something as simple as getting a quick out completed with enough time to make a play upfield. Defenses adjust. How much can we adjust with Brock? We'll see.

He has shown he is really good at all of those things.

Originally posted by HearstFan:
Guys - I keep hearing this argument that Brock's not the guy because with all the injuries last year he couldn't carry the team and have the same type of year he had in 2023. 2024 was down from 2024, but Brock's stats weren't terrible. So if that is the standard, I am look for an example of a top 10 QB that did "carry the team" despite injuries. Honestly, is there an good example of QBs that can be just as effective no matter if they have a bunch of key injuries to the offense?

1. Mahommes has been able to adapt to injuries and changing rosters - but even his stats declined when he lost playmakers or had the terrible oline one year. But yes, they made the playoffs.

2. Allen - haven't his stats declined in years he lost key people?

Here is the list of top 10
Dak?
Burrow?
Allen - per above
Love?
Lawrence? - clearly his play has declined when the talent around him did
Tua
Goff
Purdy (technically now)
Herbert
Lammar

Merged from the other thread in case anyone still wants to talk about this.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
You're right but it's something you don't see as often from big arm guys cuz they know they can get the ball in there quickly.

The few who can do both at a high level end up in the HOF.

it's not much different from when Steve Young talked about how it took him a while to really master playing from the pocket cuz he had his legs. If you excel at one thing you don't typically spend a lot of time working on something you don't necessarily have to do.

Overall you need anticipating and quick processing skills to have consistent success as a QB regardless of anything else.

Some big armed guys have those abilities as well…Allen/mahomes/herbert/stafford/Rogers all come to mind.

There's strong armed QBs that can have success, but more than likely if they can't develop above the neck, they will not sustain that success.

Right. We saw it with Kap and it still kills me to this day. I really thought we had the next great QB but he just never developed that mental side of the game. Put Kap's size/physical tools and Brock's mental side of the game and you have a dynasty here.

Hopefully Brock isn't going to be like Kap in a sense where his physical tools aren't enough to be great. I doubt it but a crazy parallel for the same franchise to see it play out like that.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
You're right but it's something you don't see as often from big arm guys cuz they know they can get the ball in there quickly.

The few who can do both at a high level end up in the HOF.

it's not much different from when Steve Young talked about how it took him a while to really master playing from the pocket cuz he had his legs. If you excel at one thing you don't typically spend a lot of time working on something you don't necessarily have to do.

Overall you need anticipating and quick processing skills to have consistent success as a QB regardless of anything else.

Some big armed guys have those abilities as well…Allen/mahomes/herbert/stafford/Rogers all come to mind.

There's strong armed QBs that can have success, but more than likely if they can't develop above the neck, they will not sustain that success.

Right. We saw it with Kap and it still kills me to this day. I really thought we had the next great QB but he just never developed that mental side of the game. Put Kap's size/physical tools and Brock's mental side of the game and you have a dynasty here.

Hopefully Brock isn't going to be like Kap in a sense where his physical tools aren't enough to be great. I doubt it but a crazy parallel for the same franchise to see it play out like that.

I read the article at the top of the page about Milroe studying Brock's tape. With Kubiak as his OC it's kind of a scary thought to think what he could do if he develops some of Brock's traits. Patience. Footwork. The little things that Brock does to overcome any physical deficencies he has. With the speed and arm talent that Milroe possesses he could be a nightmare if he learns how to actually play the position in the NFL. He sounds like a really bright guy so he might be able to learn a lot between Kubiak and Brock's film.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I read the article at the top of the page about Milroe studying Brock's tape. With Kubiak as his OC it's kind of a scary thought to think what he could do if he develops some of Brock's traits. Patience. Footwork. The little things that Brock does to overcome any physical deficencies he has. With the speed and arm talent that Milroe possesses he could be a nightmare if he learns how to actually play the position in the NFL. He sounds like a really bright guy so he might be able to learn a lot between Kubiak and Brock's film.

that's the guy i really wanted in the draft as a developmental player

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I read the article at the top of the page about Milroe studying Brock's tape. With Kubiak as his OC it's kind of a scary thought to think what he could do if he develops some of Brock's traits. Patience. Footwork. The little things that Brock does to overcome any physical deficencies he has. With the speed and arm talent that Milroe possesses he could be a nightmare if he learns how to actually play the position in the NFL. He sounds like a really bright guy so he might be able to learn a lot between Kubiak and Brock's film.

If it was easy to do/fix those things every QB would do it

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I read the article at the top of the page about Milroe studying Brock's tape. With Kubiak as his OC it's kind of a scary thought to think what he could do if he develops some of Brock's traits. Patience. Footwork. The little things that Brock does to overcome any physical deficencies he has. With the speed and arm talent that Milroe possesses he could be a nightmare if he learns how to actually play the position in the NFL. He sounds like a really bright guy so he might be able to learn a lot between Kubiak and Brock's film.

If it was easy to do/fix those things every QB would do it

I didn't say it was easy but everything I've heard about Milroe ismpositive. He's extremely bright and has a level head. He has obviuos athletic gifts but may not have had the typeof coachoing he'll get from Kubiak. The fact that he's studying Brock's movement in the pocket says a lot about how he's approaching this. A lot of young guys with that kind of athletic ability might think they could just get by on that alone. He's obviously listening to his OC.

He may never be comfortable in ther pocket but he's a lot like Lamar who's a gifted athlete but wasn't a solid NFL QB when he first came into the league. He came in with a 58% completion percentage. The last 2 years he's been at 67% and has been way more effective. I just hope Milroe doesn't do that with the Seahawks since we would have to face him twice a year.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I read the article at the top of the page about Milroe studying Brock's tape. With Kubiak as his OC it's kind of a scary thought to think what he could do if he develops some of Brock's traits. Patience. Footwork. The little things that Brock does to overcome any physical deficencies he has. With the speed and arm talent that Milroe possesses he could be a nightmare if he learns how to actually play the position in the NFL. He sounds like a really bright guy so he might be able to learn a lot between Kubiak and Brock's film.

If it was easy to do/fix those things every QB would do it

Exactly! Seems like a copy and paste from Trey Lance thread.

I always find it amusing that fans and the pundit class always bring up guys like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Justin Herbert when talking about prototypical QBs who have all of the physical qualities that Brock "lacks". And I always end up asking myself the same question, how many Super Bowls have those guys gotten to? How many Conference Championships have they won? And all of them have been in the league longer than Brock, and Allen and Jackson, at least, have had fairly decent teams around them. There's more to playing QB in the NFL than being 6'4" and having a big arm and the ability to run over, or around, defenders. Brock's story is still being written, but he's certainly accomplished more, in a shorter period of time, than any of those guys.

Originally posted by genus49:
Right. We saw it with Kap and it still kills me to this day. I really thought we had the next great QB but he just never developed that mental side of the game. Put Kap's size/physical tools and Brock's mental side of the game and you have a dynasty here.

Hopefully Brock isn't going to be like Kap in a sense where his physical tools aren't enough to be great. I doubt it but a crazy parallel for the same franchise to see it play out like that.

I was excited about Kap at first, bought a jersey right away. He was super good at UNR, I could watch Wolfpack games whenever I wanted, I was close to the campus, he was fun to watch. I was thrilled that he joined my fave NFL team. But my excitement kinda faded fairly quickly. Mentally, it was like, the NFL was too big for him. And you can kinda tell early on. With Brock, it was quite the opposite, the game could never be too big for him. I would love for Brock to rush like Kap could. I would have to agree, if Brock's brain was in Kap's body..look out. Who would stop that train? That being said, I think Brock is more athletic than he gets credit for. But there are yards out there he could get with his legs, like Steve said. Just remember to slide, damn it lol.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
I always find it amusing that fans and the pundit class always bring up guys like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Justin Herbert when talking about prototypical QBs who have all of the physical qualities that Brock "lacks". And I always end up asking myself the same question, how many Super Bowls have those guys gotten to? How many Conference Championships have they won? And all of them have been in the league longer than Brock, and Allen and Jackson, at least, have had fairly decent teams around them. There's more to playing QB in the NFL than being 6'4" and having a big arm and the ability to run over, or around, defenders. Brock's story is still being written, but he's certainly accomplished more, in a shorter period of time, than any of those guys.

(It's because he was Mr. Irrelevant). Allen, Lamar and Justin were all 1st rounders.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
I always find it amusing that fans and the pundit class always bring up guys like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Justin Herbert when talking about prototypical QBs who have all of the physical qualities that Brock "lacks". And I always end up asking myself the same question, how many Super Bowls have those guys gotten to? How many Conference Championships have they won? And all of them have been in the league longer than Brock, and Allen and Jackson, at least, have had fairly decent teams around them. There's more to playing QB in the NFL than being 6'4" and having a big arm and the ability to run over, or around, defenders. Brock's story is still being written, but he's certainly accomplished more, in a shorter period of time, than any of those guys.

To be fair I hate how some in our fanbase put down QBs for not getting to the SB when they have to go up against the same team we lost to, to get there.

Personally I put more emphasis on how QBs perform in the playoffs because I believe that's when there's more pressure and you're facing the best teams for the most part. That's why I'm so high on Brock. It wasn't always perfect but there was never a game where he looked lost or shell shocked.

However Josh Allen and Lamar are easily in the elite category for me. I'm VERY particular in regards to that elite label so to me there is a group at the top with Mahomes, Allen and Lamar. Joe Burrow is on the outside looking in in his own category.

I do think Justin Herbert is an excellent QB BUT his playoff performances are hard to overlook.

I think there is something to the styles makes fights type of thing. Where we're a lot better vs teams who play heavy zone(look at the Chicago game last year) vs teams who can play heavy press. I don't think that's a Purdy issue either. That's more of our personnel and OL situation though Brock's arm limitations are more likely to come up against that type of defense since the windows are usually smaller and throwing with anticipation is harder. I'm hoping we take a step forward in being able to play better vs those defenses.

Excited to see our young WRs show what they can do but would've loved to add some size out there cuz I do think Brock prefers his receivers on the larger size.

Originally posted by 49ers81:
I always find it amusing that fans and the pundit class always bring up guys like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Justin Herbert when talking about prototypical QBs who have all of the physical qualities that Brock "lacks". And I always end up asking myself the same question, how many Super Bowls have those guys gotten to? How many Conference Championships have they won? And all of them have been in the league longer than Brock, and Allen and Jackson, at least, have had fairly decent teams around them. There's more to playing QB in the NFL than being 6'4" and having a big arm and the ability to run over, or around, defenders. Brock's story is still being written, but he's certainly accomplished more, in a shorter period of time, than any of those guys.

'Certainly', lol.

Ask yourself more questions.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by HearstFan:
Guys - I keep hearing this argument that Brock's not the guy because with all the injuries last year he couldn't carry the team and have the same type of year he had in 2023. 2024 was down from 2024, but Brock's stats weren't terrible. So if that is the standard, I am look for an example of a top 10 QB that did "carry the team" despite injuries. Honestly, is there an good example of QBs that can be just as effective no matter if they have a bunch of key injuries to the offense?

1. Mahommes has been able to adapt to injuries and changing rosters - but even his stats declined when he lost playmakers or had the terrible oline one year. But yes, they made the playoffs.

2. Allen - haven't his stats declined in years he lost key people?

Here is the list of top 10
Dak?
Burrow?
Allen - per above
Love?
Lawrence? - clearly his play has declined when the talent around him did
Tua
Goff
Purdy (technically now)
Herbert
Lammar

Merged from the other thread in case anyone still wants to talk about this.

Judging any qb solely off of their stats is disingenuous to their performance, IMO.

mahommes stats have declined but he's had an excellent defense and special teams around him. So they can have a mediocre offense and still always be in the game.

Brock made more mistakes than normal last year but I don't think he was anywhere near the main problem (or a problem at all) for the 49ers.

I've never seen a QB carry a team to success with the following:
1. Worst special teams in the league
2. one of the worst defenses, specifically run defense.
3. Plethora of injuries to key skill players
4. terrible skill player separation. Meaning every throw has to be perfect or it's at high risk of something bad happening. At best, an incompletion and little to zero YAC.

Brock made poor decisions and throws at times, no doubt, but the offense was CONSTANTLY in the hole cause of the ST and D. All season. Brock and a bunch of backups would have had to ball out to win more games. They were essentially left with no room for error - that stress and pressure usually makes offenses make more mistakes.

this whole conversation about Brock declining etc is much more complex than just his stats. Football is the ultimate team sport and every section of the team has big impacts on the other.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
I always find it amusing that fans and the pundit class always bring up guys like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Justin Herbert when talking about prototypical QBs who have all of the physical qualities that Brock "lacks". And I always end up asking myself the same question, how many Super Bowls have those guys gotten to? How many Conference Championships have they won? And all of them have been in the league longer than Brock, and Allen and Jackson, at least, have had fairly decent teams around them. There's more to playing QB in the NFL than being 6'4" and having a big arm and the ability to run over, or around, defenders. Brock's story is still being written, but he's certainly accomplished more, in a shorter period of time, than any of those guys.

'Certainly', lol.

Ask yourself more questions.

If we're gonna go the route of "accomplishments" then Rex grossman, jimmy G, trent dilfer, Brad Johnson, Nick Foles, Flacco, Kap, Jake Delhomme, Neil O'Donnell, Chris Chandler etc are all "better" than Allen/jackson/herbert etc.

I mean is he saying he'd rather have Jimmy G over Josh Allen/Jackson or Herbert? Last I checked their stories are still being written as well.

Not sure why we have to make up these narratives to pump up our QB? It should be okay to acknowledge his deficiencies (and understand why some people talk about him a certain way) and also recognize he's got other great traits and is still a good QB