QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Montana:
All of this.

I dnt recall anyone saying that this is the worst OL in the league or Brock is without fault on anything.

Anyone who thinks Brenda is not to really be concerned about..idk what to tell ya.

And who thinks Brendel is not to really be concerned about? He's not good, he's not the worst center in the league.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Pretending the OL is fine is also lazy. Feels like the narrative is picked depending on which picture you want to paint.

Is it the worst OL in the league? No. Does it need a bunch of improvement and concerns for the future? Yes.

Brendel and Banks were simply not up to snuff last year. McKivitz got a lot of heat from people who were just used to giving him crap but he took a big step forward last year. He still had his bad beats which is what a lot of folks remember but if he can take another similar jump from last year to this year he will be a top 15 RT for sure, maybe even higher.

We need Trent Williams healthy and playing up to his ability. We need Bartch/Burford to run with the LG spot and give us an upgrade over Banks last season. We need Puni to keep the arrow pointing up and McKivitz to do what I said above.

Brendel just scares the crap out of me. My only hope is if he's our starting center again this year that Kyle has made some changes with our protection schemes where defenses can't get a jump on us...and that Brendel was dealing with injuries or something last year.

Who said the OL is fine? Not a single person. constant complaining about OL play or them being the worst OL in the league…is in fact dramatic.

There's constant complaining about poor OL play and it being the scapegoat for others bad play or the team not doing what they need to do on offense.

outside of the eagles and lions, every single fan base "complains" about their OL. It's the lazy take.

I would agree with you if people weren't trying to put lipstick on the Brendel pig in order to downplay the flaws in the OL last year.

Personally I want to see each play on its own merit. There were plenty of plays where our OL simply did our RBs or Brock no favors...most of it from the interior.

Can't say OL led to every bad play by Brock just like you can't say the OL was perfectly fine.

There is a middle ground but the sooner the team starts to prioritize the OL will be a good thing for the team.

Originally posted by genus49:
I don't particularly care what Green Bay did. I hope that move works out as well for them as us signing Gabe Wilkins.

I wanted to keep Jaylon Moore for a reason but he wasn't going to start over Trent or Colton. Our issue last year was LG and C. LG is being replaced. C is what worries me the most...along with OT AFTER this season.

LG was such a "problem" that he left and got $77M lol…this is no different than people crying about McG for yrs, only to watch him get paid $85M and be part of one of the best OLs in football currently.

you don't NEED great or even really good IOL to be a good offense. You don't need amazing lineman across the board to have a good offense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Montana:
All of this.

I dnt recall anyone saying that this is the worst OL in the league or Brock is without fault on anything.

Anyone who thinks Brenda is not to really be concerned about..idk what to tell ya.

And who thinks Brendel is not to really be concerned about? He's not good, he's not the worst center in the league.

He's a lot closer to the worst in the league than he is to the best in the league and until we change how our offense works the Center position is critical here.

Even if you look at PFF rankings which I hate for OL, he's 20th in overall grade and that's with 3 games fluffing up his grade - Pats game and then the last 2 games of the year vs a banged up Lions D and Arizona last week of the season.

If looking at his pass pro grade he was 36th.

So yeah...not the worst but is that our standard given the impact of the center on our pass protection?

Originally posted by genus49:
I would agree with you if people weren't trying to put lipstick on the Brendel pig in order to downplay the flaws in the OL last year.

Personally I want to see each play on its own merit. There were plenty of plays where our OL simply did our RBs or Brock no favors...most of it from the interior.

Can't say OL led to every bad play by Brock just like you can't say the OL was perfectly fine.

There is a middle ground but the sooner the team starts to prioritize the OL will be a good thing for the team.

Who exactly is putting lipstick on Brendel? Show me all the comments of anyone talking about him like that.

No he isn't an amazing center, yes he is replaceable…he's also not the worst center in the league…we went to a damn SB with him. We would all love an upgrade there.

Offensive lines across the league have flaws on them. This isn't a SF is the only team in the league that doesn't have elite lineman across the board thing.

there were plays where the RB and the QB did the OL no favors all the same, yet next to no one acknowledges that or even knows what they're looking at to distinguish who's to blame half the time….its always easiest to just blame the OL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
I don't particularly care what Green Bay did. I hope that move works out as well for them as us signing Gabe Wilkins.

I wanted to keep Jaylon Moore for a reason but he wasn't going to start over Trent or Colton. Our issue last year was LG and C. LG is being replaced. C is what worries me the most...along with OT AFTER this season.

LG was such a "problem" that he left and got $77M lol…this is no different than people crying about McG for yrs, only to watch him get paid $85M and be part of one of the best OLs in football currently.

you don't NEED great or even really good IOL to be a good offense. You don't need amazing lineman across the board to have a good offense.

Guys get paid in free agency. It doesn't always mean they're good.

Banks was not good. You and faithful bringing up the money he got doesn't change that fact. Maybe he was hurt and will be good for Green Bay, I don't care. He was not good here and that's the conversation I care about.

I never hated on McGlinchey as others have. He was a dominant run blocker and he was ok as a pass blocker. His issue was the bad beats that would stick in everyones memory.

However there is also a reason the team didn't bring these guys back.

Originally posted by genus49:
He's a lot closer to the worst in the league than he is to the best in the league and until we change how our offense works the Center position is critical here.

Even if you look at PFF rankings which I hate for OL, he's 20th in overall grade and that's with 3 games fluffing up his grade - Pats game and then the last 2 games of the year vs a banged up Lions D and Arizona last week of the season.

If looking at his pass pro grade he was 36th.

So yeah...not the worst but is that our standard given the impact of the center on our pass protection?

He's the 17th overall center….fluffed up? Okay so you need to take away any "fluffed" up grades for every single center if you're gonna nitpick to push a narrative. Don't be like that.

I mean if we're gonna nitpick, he's actually the 12th overall center if we're looking at centers that had at least 800 snaps this yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And who thinks Brendel is not to really be concerned about? He's not good, he's not the worst center in the league.

Lol I never said he is the worst center in the league, though, if he is not good..why not get someone who is? Just paid Big Contract Brock, he needs a good center..not one who isn't.

GENUS alway

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
He's a lot closer to the worst in the league than he is to the best in the league and until we change how our offense works the Center position is critical here.

Even if you look at PFF rankings which I hate for OL, he's 20th in overall grade and that's with 3 games fluffing up his grade - Pats game and then the last 2 games of the year vs a banged up Lions D and Arizona last week of the season.

If looking at his pass pro grade he was 36th.

So yeah...not the worst but is that our standard given the impact of the center on our pass protection?

He's the 17th overall center….fluffed up? Okay so you need to take away any "fluffed" up grades for every single center if you're gonna nitpick to push a narrative. Don't be like that.

I mean if we're gonna nitpick, he's actually the 12th overall center if we're looking at centers that had at least 800 snaps this yr.

GENUS always good for a laugh

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
I would agree with you if people weren't trying to put lipstick on the Brendel pig in order to downplay the flaws in the OL last year.

Personally I want to see each play on its own merit. There were plenty of plays where our OL simply did our RBs or Brock no favors...most of it from the interior.

Can't say OL led to every bad play by Brock just like you can't say the OL was perfectly fine.

There is a middle ground but the sooner the team starts to prioritize the OL will be a good thing for the team.

Who exactly is putting lipstick on Brendel? Show me all the comments of anyone talking about him like that.

No he isn't an amazing center, yes he is replaceable…he's also not the worst center in the league…we went to a damn SB with him. We would all love an upgrade there.

Offensive lines across the league have flaws on them. This isn't a SF is the only team in the league that doesn't have elite lineman across the board thing.

there were plays where the RB and the QB did the OL no favors all the same, yet next to no one acknowledges that or even knows what they're looking at to distinguish who's to blame half the time….its always easiest to just blame the OL.

How about in the same post?

Trying to downplay how poorly he played last year(you know the year we didn't go to the SB) is doing just that.

It is what it is, Brendel is who we have so we better hope he gets it together. But once again, I don't care about other teams. I care about our team and our offense requires a center that is better than "not the worst center in the league"

Too many times the guy is getting dropped on his ass, committing ill timed penalties and leading to confusion in pass protection calls. Either Kyle give Brock the right to call his own protection or Brendel or his replacement better step up.

Originally posted by 9moon:
GENUS alway

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
He's a lot closer to the worst in the league than he is to the best in the league and until we change how our offense works the Center position is critical here.

Even if you look at PFF rankings which I hate for OL, he's 20th in overall grade and that's with 3 games fluffing up his grade - Pats game and then the last 2 games of the year vs a banged up Lions D and Arizona last week of the season.

If looking at his pass pro grade he was 36th.

So yeah...not the worst but is that our standard given the impact of the center on our pass protection?

He's the 17th overall center….fluffed up? Okay so you need to take away any "fluffed" up grades for every single center if you're gonna nitpick to push a narrative. Don't be like that.

I mean if we're gonna nitpick, he's actually the 12th overall center if we're looking at centers that had at least 800 snaps this yr.

GENUS always good for a laugh

This post is *chef's kiss*

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
He's a lot closer to the worst in the league than he is to the best in the league and until we change how our offense works the Center position is critical here.

Even if you look at PFF rankings which I hate for OL, he's 20th in overall grade and that's with 3 games fluffing up his grade - Pats game and then the last 2 games of the year vs a banged up Lions D and Arizona last week of the season.

If looking at his pass pro grade he was 36th.

So yeah...not the worst but is that our standard given the impact of the center on our pass protection?

He's the 17th overall center….fluffed up? Okay so you need to take away any "fluffed" up grades for every single center if you're gonna nitpick to push a narrative. Don't be like that.

I mean if we're gonna nitpick, he's actually the 12th overall center if we're looking at centers that had at least 800 snaps this yr.

NY don't do this...bad look for you.

We all watched the games this last season. Brendel was consistently wrecking plays regardless of what PFF shows and considering we're mainly talking pass protection in the QB thread...you should look at his pass blocking.

And once again this doesn't account for the impact of the center position for our offense.

Here are the pass blocking numbers. Note only 22 centers had that many snaps last year. 18th out of 22...not great.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
I would agree with you if people weren't trying to put lipstick on the Brendel pig in order to downplay the flaws in the OL last year.

Personally I want to see each play on its own merit. There were plenty of plays where our OL simply did our RBs or Brock no favors...most of it from the interior.

Can't say OL led to every bad play by Brock just like you can't say the OL was perfectly fine.

There is a middle ground but the sooner the team starts to prioritize the OL will be a good thing for the team.

Who exactly is putting lipstick on Brendel? Show me all the comments of anyone talking about him like that.

No he isn't an amazing center, yes he is replaceable…he's also not the worst center in the league…we went to a damn SB with him. We would all love an upgrade there.

Offensive lines across the league have flaws on them. This isn't a SF is the only team in the league that doesn't have elite lineman across the board thing.

there were plays where the RB and the QB did the OL no favors all the same, yet next to no one acknowledges that or even knows what they're looking at to distinguish who's to blame half the time….its always easiest to just blame the OL.

How about in the same post?

Trying to downplay how poorly he played last year(you know the year we didn't go to the SB) is doing just that.

It is what it is, Brendel is who we have so we better hope he gets it together. But once again, I don't care about other teams. I care about our team and our offense requires a center that is better than "not the worst center in the league"

Too many times the guy is getting dropped on his ass, committing ill timed penalties and leading to confusion in pass protection calls. Either Kyle give Brock the right to call his own protection or Brendel or his replacement better step up.

I don't care how PFF ranked Brendel. My eye test saw him constantly getting overpowered. An upgrade is needed, either by his own improvement, or some other player, but we need better C play.

Brendel may not be good but they apparently don't have anyone better. They didn't like anyone in the draft so they'll probably go with Brendel again unless someone on the roster steps up in camp and shows he's better. In either case he's not going to be the difference between going to the SB or not.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
I would agree with you if people weren't trying to put lipstick on the Brendel pig in order to downplay the flaws in the OL last year.

Personally I want to see each play on its own merit. There were plenty of plays where our OL simply did our RBs or Brock no favors...most of it from the interior.

Can't say OL led to every bad play by Brock just like you can't say the OL was perfectly fine.

There is a middle ground but the sooner the team starts to prioritize the OL will be a good thing for the team.

Who exactly is putting lipstick on Brendel? Show me all the comments of anyone talking about him like that.

No he isn't an amazing center, yes he is replaceable…he's also not the worst center in the league…we went to a damn SB with him. We would all love an upgrade there.

Offensive lines across the league have flaws on them. This isn't a SF is the only team in the league that doesn't have elite lineman across the board thing.

there were plays where the RB and the QB did the OL no favors all the same, yet next to no one acknowledges that or even knows what they're looking at to distinguish who's to blame half the time….its always easiest to just blame the OL.

How about in the same post?

Trying to downplay how poorly he played last year(you know the year we didn't go to the SB) is doing just that.

It is what it is, Brendel is who we have so we better hope he gets it together. But once again, I don't care about other teams. I care about our team and our offense requires a center that is better than "not the worst center in the league"

Too many times the guy is getting dropped on his ass, committing ill timed penalties and leading to confusion in pass protection calls. Either Kyle give Brock the right to call his own protection or Brendel or his replacement better step up.

I don't care how PFF ranked Brendel. My eye test saw him constantly getting overpowered. An upgrade is needed, either by his own improvement, or some other player, but we need better C play.

Like I said, we all watched those games. It wasn't pretty.