QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by genus49:
It's hard to have the will to be great as much as Brady considering the man arguably lost his marriage over it and we know Brock is definitely not going to do that.

Still Brock hasn't shown anything to make us believe he's going to take this money and coast. He's going into his 4th year and every year I think you can say he improved in some ways. Last year wasn't pretty in terms of stats but things obviously weren't as easy and I think Brock's scrambling was better last year.

As for your references I think they're very different from Brock.

Alex, I feel bad for in hindsight. Hearing him talk about how little structure/help he had under Nolan and the weight of that #1 overall pick definitely did some damage. His way to improve was basically becoming a game manager until that last year in KC.

Kap simply never developed the mental part of the game and once the talent on the team went away it just wasn't working.

Jimmy's issues IMO were he didn't understand his own limitations. He tried to play the game thinking his arm was better than it was but at the same time held himself back with easier throws even when the deeper ones were open. If you think about it...it's kind of completely backwards. A QB who passes up big gainers but tries to go for them when his arm can't deliver doesn't leave a lot of room for error.

Trey is an unknown that's not worth talking about anymore. Maybe if he didn't get hurt in 2022 he would've worked his way into a good, maybe even great QB but seeing him stick as #3 in Dallas showed that whatever it was, it wasn't happening. Will be curious to see how he does with Harbaugh.

Brock understands his limitations, that's why people bringing up Jimmy G is a lazy comp to me. Sure I get the "well look what they did with Jimmy G so it must be the system"

The problem is they're playing completely different type of football out there and it should be obvious to anyone willing to look at the tape. Brock's arm is mediocre but unlike Jimmy he knows what throws he can get away with and he's excellent at layering the football over defenders. That's a special skill. Jimmy had his quick release which helped him be a good QB when we had the YAC bros doing work. Brock is able to distribute the ball much better - inside or outside the hash marks.

I expect him to continue to grow and his work on chemistry/timing with his receivers will only play dividends.

I don't see him getting a big head at all. I think he'll continue being the same guy he was before the money came in, my only concern with him is if somehow God comes calling and tells him to do something else(hope that's not offending anyone religious here)

i think he is wired to be a NFL QB. it's leadership, respect from the entire locker room, commanding a huddle, being a visible face of the franchise, media obligations and so forth. you have to be a lot of things, to a lot of different ppl. you have to be 'one of the guys' but also have to get on your guys and in their grill if they aren't lining up correct or running routes the way you want. i think because he puts in the work, and plays hurt and does all the little things, that's probably how he earns respect from his guys. nfl qb is probably one of the most difficult jobs to do well, and that's why it is notoriously hard to evaluate. you need pretty high end physical, social and mental skills.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by BMoore56:
"He's a great player, but he's a great player for them".

What? Lol. What does that even mean.

It means Brock is a product of Shanahans system and those teams don't feel Brock is a player that you can plug and play on any system such as a guy like mahomes/Allen/Lamar/etc

Whether or not that is correct is to be debated but that's what they mean

Since none of the guys you mentioned has played for another team, I'm not convinced that they can just be " plugged in" and play at the level they do on their current teams.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
Intangibles such as leadership, personality, study habits, moral compass, etc. certainly can play into a QBs success, but when we're talking about Purdy's ability to throw a guy open, or feather a throw with pinpoint accuracy, or process through reads quickly, or maneuver the pocket to evade rushers, etc., we are describing ways his brain and body are physically interacting. These are in fact tangible even if hard to measure. And I'd argue Brock's tangible traits related to how his brain physically processes the game, are in fact the most important traits to successfully QBing. So when you say the other guys have tangibles, I scoff to that idea because Brock has them too, and in spades where it counts most.

I mean you can say the same thing with those other guys as well as far as intangibles and being able to throw guys open/layer throws. They're all pretty accurate and smart as well.

What has gotten Brock to where he is, is his ability to process quickly and use his anticipation. He has to because he doesn't have that rocket arm. Margin of error is less from that standpoint. I wouldn't even say he has great mechanics, so that's something he can improve upon.

I'm just telling you why Brock doesn't get the benefit of the doubt vs other highly drafted QBs. He simply doesn't have the overall wow tangible traits, scoff all you like doesn't change anything…if he did, he would have been drafted much higher. He also plays on a team that had a ton of success with a guy deemed a backup in the league currently. That's not me hating on Brock, that's just the perception of all of it.

I get what you're saying, I'm just disagreeing with the validity of the reasoning given from Brock doubters. Where Brock is special, he may be the most promising of the bunch, and that's his brain. I'm personally very wowed by it. There's maybe two guys in the world that throw with better anticipation, and even that's arguable.

I think when we look at the success Jimmy had, and where he was talented, is the guy had a world class quick release. He could see a guy open and dart a pass in there. And for the most part, Shanahan could work with that skill. But Jimmy was not a guy that could consistently throw players open, or cycle through 5 progressions, or hit downfield throws, or make plays happen when the pocket collapse. He had mental limitations in areas we already know Brock excels in.

To me it's lazy for people to use the reason that Jimmy had success, therefore Brock just might be another Jimmy—a product of the Shanahan system. I mean, that could be true, we don't really know where Brock's career lands, but we can read the tea leaves and project more success based on the things Brock's is known to be good at that Jimmy never was.

Yeah I totally get the narratives. However I'm old enough to remember Brady being called a system QB, game manager and checkdown merchant even after he won 3 SBs. I also remember myself downplaying Kurt Warner cuz of his weapons

Brock just has to keep playing well, winning football games and ideally SBs and the accolades will eventually come.

I'm being a bit of a hypocrite since I definitely get annoyed when Brock gets hate with the "he's just another Jimmy G" or "He doesn't scare anyone" but at the same time...all I care is about what he's doing here.

Play well, win the SB - if people wanna hate, they'll look stupid for it. And hopefully there's a lot of stupid looking haters when Brock's career is done.

That's my hope too. A highly successful QB career and enough schadenfreude to last a lifetime, sign me up.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
It's hard to have the will to be great as much as Brady considering the man arguably lost his marriage over it and we know Brock is definitely not going to do that.

Still Brock hasn't shown anything to make us believe he's going to take this money and coast. He's going into his 4th year and every year I think you can say he improved in some ways. Last year wasn't pretty in terms of stats but things obviously weren't as easy and I think Brock's scrambling was better last year.

As for your references I think they're very different from Brock.

Alex, I feel bad for in hindsight. Hearing him talk about how little structure/help he had under Nolan and the weight of that #1 overall pick definitely did some damage. His way to improve was basically becoming a game manager until that last year in KC.

Kap simply never developed the mental part of the game and once the talent on the team went away it just wasn't working.

Jimmy's issues IMO were he didn't understand his own limitations. He tried to play the game thinking his arm was better than it was but at the same time held himself back with easier throws even when the deeper ones were open. If you think about it...it's kind of completely backwards. A QB who passes up big gainers but tries to go for them when his arm can't deliver doesn't leave a lot of room for error.

Trey is an unknown that's not worth talking about anymore. Maybe if he didn't get hurt in 2022 he would've worked his way into a good, maybe even great QB but seeing him stick as #3 in Dallas showed that whatever it was, it wasn't happening. Will be curious to see how he does with Harbaugh.

Brock understands his limitations, that's why people bringing up Jimmy G is a lazy comp to me. Sure I get the "well look what they did with Jimmy G so it must be the system"

The problem is they're playing completely different type of football out there and it should be obvious to anyone willing to look at the tape. Brock's arm is mediocre but unlike Jimmy he knows what throws he can get away with and he's excellent at layering the football over defenders. That's a special skill. Jimmy had his quick release which helped him be a good QB when we had the YAC bros doing work. Brock is able to distribute the ball much better - inside or outside the hash marks.

I expect him to continue to grow and his work on chemistry/timing with his receivers will only play dividends.

I don't see him getting a big head at all. I think he'll continue being the same guy he was before the money came in, my only concern with him is if somehow God comes calling and tells him to do something else(hope that's not offending anyone religious here)

i think he is wired to be a NFL QB. it's leadership, respect from the entire locker room, commanding a huddle, being a visible face of the franchise, media obligations and so forth. you have to be a lot of things, to a lot of different ppl. you have to be 'one of the guys' but also have to get on your guys and in their grill if they aren't lining up correct or running routes the way you want. i think because he puts in the work, and plays hurt and does all the little things, that's probably how he earns respect from his guys. nfl qb is probably one of the most difficult jobs to do well, and that's why it is notoriously hard to evaluate. you need pretty high end physical, social and mental skills.

I believe that Brock has the respect of his teammates because of how well he plays the position. A player can be a great team mate but if he doesn't play his position well he's not going to get accolades that Brock was getting while running the practice squad during his first year. When the first stringers are telling the coaches to watch that rookie because he's balling out there, that gets respect from the guys. The rest of that stuff (leadership skills, communication etc.) are secondary. Not insignificant, but secondary to how well one plays the position.

Originally posted by eastie:
I believe that Brock has the respect of his teammates because of how well he plays the position. A player can be a great team mate but if he doesn't play his position well he's not going to get accolades that Brock was getting while running the practice squad during his first year. When the first stringers are telling the coaches to watch that rookie because he's balling out there, that gets respect from the guys. The rest of that stuff (leadership skills, communication etc.) are secondary. Not insignificant, but secondary to how well one plays the position.

Earned everything he's been given so far. Has to go a long way with his teammates. Afterthought in the draft, makes the team, stays ready as the number 3 (and quickly the number 2), excels when given the opportunity and improves the team overall.

https://overthecap.com/player/brock-purdy/10307

Originally posted by NYniner85:
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my man. you got the deets. i've been looking for this

the initial read, these are strong numbers. club can move on in 3 years, without a major dead cap hit.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
https://overthecap.com/player/brock-purdy/10307

Seems pretty team friendly. Reasonable cap hits for the next 3 years.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
the initial read, these are strong numbers. club can move on in 3 years, without a major dead cap hit.

That's what I like...I hope he progresses and we do a new contract in 3 years to bring down the cap hit. It would mean he's playing lights out and the Cap will rise as well. Good contract for all including Purdy and team 👏

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
I still have legit questions how good Stroud, T-Law, Love, and Jayden Daniels really are. The same exact way I have questions about how good any promising young QB is, including Purdy. Again, no other young QB of the above mentioned is ever questioned with the same criteria that Purdy is. None of the above is doubted the way Purdy is.

And I get why. Everyone with something bad to say about Purdy likes a team that was willing to let him be an UDFA. For some of these people to admit that Purdy's elite skills (like anticipation, pocket awareness, processing, and accuracy) could translate to their team, they'd first need to admit that their front office couldn't spot one of the best young talents at the most important position in the game. It's a tough pill to swallow and easier to admit it's a mirage or some wizardry by Shanahan that makes him good.

They don't get questioned like Brock because of their tangible traits.

for the most part those 1st rd guys had some fairly quick turnaround when they started. CJ went to a bad Texans team & Daniels went to a bad DC team.

Brock had success on a team that had the same success with a guy that's a career backup currently.

T-Law has been regarded as a generational QB prospect since high school.

While the results may look similar, any moron can see the difference in the way the position is played comparing Brock to Jimmy.....

Originally posted by WINiner:
While the results may look similar, any moron can see the difference in the way the position is played comparing Brock to Jimmy.....

it's just a different setup. brock enters a SB window team loaded. jimmy entered a 1-10 situation. they each had to walk their own path. looks like they both did well for themselves financially, earning a combined gazillion dollars.

Got tied up putting my daughter to bed, thought we'd be a good 4 pages behind after the press conference earlier and now the contract details coming out. Guess the cake talk was more exciting lol.

Details of the contract look great. Low cap hits next 3 years and an out before the big cap hit comes in or an opportunity to restructure to drop the cap hits and give him more guaranteed money.

Big time deal for both sides imo. Brock gets guaranteed cash and 49ers get protection for worst case.

Now it's all about staying healthy, working on timing chemistry on offense and hoping defense and special teams turn it around in a big way.

Don't know if we've got the juice for a SB run this year but can see us back in the hunt in 2026 for sure and if we get a playoff spot this season…you never know.

Eagles have been incredibly lucky health wise but we all heard how consistent trips deep in the playoffs can impact team health. 49ers hopefully will get a boost from the recharge from a short season last year and youthful energy additions. Outside of the Eagles no team scares me in the NFC.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think all QBs need the right system to play well. Kyle's scheme in particular is favorable to QBs.

What people are talking about with guys like Mahomes/lamar/Allen is when the system or scheme breaks down, they can make something happen.

I mean I don't think the "best" QBs always win the Super Bowl either.

Those qbs have several more years in experience in the NFL than Brock too. BP is still young and has time to improve and refine his craft. What's great about Brock and Kyle combo is that it seemed to be the perfect fit right from the start (dare I say, it kinda felt like Walsh/Montana for a while?) and yeah, Kyle's qb scheme definitely attributed to that, along with Brock's fast learning and adaptation.

There is so much to learn and improve upon after your first three seasons - we can go through most successful qbs and show drastic improvements after their first three years of experience.

if they are a cerebral qb, they learn how to play the chess game better and improve their fundamentals etc. I think Brock will get better. I think that Brock would have had a great season if he didn't start forcing stuff and trying to do too much cause of the lack of help around him (injuries), ST, and defense. He actually made some fantastic plays last year but the team was struggling at every turn and he tried to make up for it, it didn't work out great.