QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I think all QBs need the right system to play well. Kyle's scheme in particular is favorable to QBs.

What people are talking about with guys like Mahomes/lamar/Allen is when the system or scheme breaks down, they can make something happen.

I mean I don't think the "best" QBs always win the Super Bowl either.

Those qbs have several more years in experience in the NFL than Brock too. BP is still young and has time to improve and refine his craft. What's great about Brock and Kyle combo is that it seemed to be the perfect fit right from the start (dare I say, it kinda felt like Walsh/Montana for a while?) and yeah, Kyle's qb scheme definitely attributed to that, along with Brock's fast learning and adaptation.

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by Chance:
Doesn't even matter if they're correct if no other QB is held to the same criteria. For some reason Brock is the only QB that is judged based on the system he plays in and players around him instead of purely his talent. Does anyone question whether CJ Stroud is a product of his system and surrounding talent? Well if he's not, why the f**k is it okay that Purdy is? It's because one was the top pick, and the other the 262nd, that's why.

Tom Brady was questioned after multiple SB wins. If a guy who is argued as the best the game has ever seen, was questioned....even after multiple Lombardi's....then practically everyone else will be as well (based on his low draft status).

I still have valid questions about how legit good Purdy is.

I still have legit questions how good Stroud, T-Law, Love, and Jayden Daniels really are. The same exact way I have questions about how good any promising young QB is, including Purdy. Again, no other young QB of the above mentioned is ever questioned with the same criteria that Purdy is. None of the above is doubted the way Purdy is.

And I get why. Everyone with something bad to say about Purdy likes a team that was willing to let him be an UDFA. For some of these people to admit that Purdy's elite skills (like anticipation, pocket awareness, processing, and accuracy) could translate to their team, they'd first need to admit that their front office couldn't spot one of the best young talents at the most important position in the game. It's a tough pill to swallow and easier to admit it's a mirage or some wizardry by Shanahan that makes him good.

Originally posted by Montana:
Those qbs have several more years in experience in the NFL than Brock too. BP is still young and has time to improve and refine his craft. What's great about Brock and Kyle combo is that it seemed to be the perfect fit right from the start (dare I say, it kinda felt like Walsh/Montana for a while?) and yeah, Kyle's qb scheme definitely attributed to that, along with Brock's fast learning and adaptation.

Yeah we will see. Brock with a good team and Kyle around him will win a ton of games. He's already done it.

like others said, one massive difference between Joe and Brock is the ability to show up at the most important time and win that s**t. Brock has yet to really do that…it goes beyond just running a play sometimes. Like you said pretty early into his career to determine if he's got that "it" factor or not.

overall I like Brock and glad he's our guy. It's hard to find a good starting QB. Do I think he's gonna be Montana or Brees? I have my doubts. Those are incredibly high expectations and trying to compare him to them, isn't fair to Brock.

Like I said with those other guys (Allen/Mahomes/lamar etc) it's their tangible traits that the media loves. Those traits allow them to play outside the constraints of the play call and make something out of nothing. That s**t is hard to defend.

I really really want to see Brock use his legs more this yr. He's athletic enough and can move. He doesn't need to be a 4.4 guy like Lamar to be dangerous moving around. Add that s**t to the tool belt. Like Steve Young said, there's free yards to be had doing that. Free 1st downs on 2nd and 3rd and long doing that.

Originally posted by Chance:
I still have legit questions how good Stroud, T-Law, Love, and Jayden Daniels really are. The same exact way I have questions about how good any promising young QB is, including Purdy. Again, no other young QB of the above mentioned is ever questioned with the same criteria that Purdy is. None of the above is doubted the way Purdy is.

And I get why. Everyone with something bad to say about Purdy likes a team that was willing to let him be an UDFA. For some of these people to admit that Purdy's elite skills (like anticipation, pocket awareness, processing, and accuracy) could translate to their team, they'd first need to admit that their front office couldn't spot one of the best young talents at the most important position in the game. It's a tough pill to swallow and easier to admit it's a mirage or some wizardry by Shanahan that makes him good.

Well...yeah. Those guys were all Round 1 guys and Purdy isn't. Again....if Tom Brady got questioned, then every other late round/undrafted guy will as well until he overcomes more that has been put in front of him. Purdy isn't the first to go through this, and he won't be the last.

Nobody is saying it's a mirage, and playing in Shanahan's run-oriented scheme combined with some of the better skill sets around him certainly favours Purdy.

Originally posted by Chance:
I still have legit questions how good Stroud, T-Law, Love, and Jayden Daniels really are. The same exact way I have questions about how good any promising young QB is, including Purdy. Again, no other young QB of the above mentioned is ever questioned with the same criteria that Purdy is. None of the above is doubted the way Purdy is.

And I get why. Everyone with something bad to say about Purdy likes a team that was willing to let him be an UDFA. For some of these people to admit that Purdy's elite skills (like anticipation, pocket awareness, processing, and accuracy) could translate to their team, they'd first need to admit that their front office couldn't spot one of the best young talents at the most important position in the game. It's a tough pill to swallow and easier to admit it's a mirage or some wizardry by Shanahan that makes him good.

They don't get questioned like Brock because of their tangible traits.

for the most part those 1st rd guys had some fairly quick turnaround when they started. CJ went to a bad Texans team & Daniels went to a bad DC team.

Brock had success on a team that had the same success with a guy that's a career backup currently.

T-Law has been regarded as a generational QB prospect since high school.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They don't get questioned like Brock because of their tangible traits.

for the most part those 1st rd guys had some fairly quick turnaround when they started. CJ went to a bad Texans team & Daniels went to a bad DC team.

Brock had success on a team that had the same success with a guy that's a career backup currently.

T-Law has been regarded as a generational QB prospect since high school.

Add to that the fact that we'd just gotten rid of a QB like Jimmy where the consensus by the time he left had been that the offense and design of it had carried him more than the reverse.

It's completely understandable why 1st and 2nd rounders that have looked good thus far are questioned in the media less. And they all still have more to prove. Par for course.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yeah we will see. Brock with a good team and Kyle around him will win a ton of games. He's already done it.

like others said, one massive difference between Joe and Brock is the ability to show up at the most important time and win that s**t. Brock has yet to really do that…it goes beyond just running a play sometimes. Like you said pretty early into his career to determine if he's got that "it" factor or not.

overall I like Brock and glad he's our guy. It's hard to find a good starting QB. Do I think he's gonna be Montana or Brees? I have my doubts. Those are incredibly high expectations and trying to compare him to them, isn't fair to Brock.

Like I said with those other guys (Allen/Mahomes/lamar etc) it's their tangible traits that the media loves. Those traits allow them to play outside the constraints of the play call and make something out of nothing. That s**t is hard to defend.

I really really want to see Brock use his legs more this yr. He's athletic enough and can move. He doesn't need to be a 4.4 guy like Lamar to be dangerous moving around. Add that s**t to the tool belt. Like Steve Young said, there's free yards to be had doing that. Free 1st downs on 2nd and 3rd and long doing that.

Yep, they have already done it. I don't really compare Brock to Montana..that's crazy shoes to fill and yeah, unfair. However, I have had memories of Walsh/Young/Joe during some plays cause they were just that good. For those who didn't experience those days, sorry, you missed out terribly lol. But some Kyle/Brock combos felt like the old 9ers team we used to have. Montana and Brees were just rare diamonds. Brock has showed up in some pretty intense moments/last min drives, cool as a cucumber and IIRC, left the SB field with the lead? I honestly try to block the SB out..it was too devastating lol. He has left the field a few times with the lead and the game was not won.

Brock is good with his legs, when he uses them. I do not like him diving head first lol..dude needs to slide more. Yeah, Young has been vocal about yards being out there to get, he's right..there was also no stopping Young when he was hungry for those yards. He was determined like no other.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:
I still have legit questions how good Stroud, T-Law, Love, and Jayden Daniels really are. The same exact way I have questions about how good any promising young QB is, including Purdy. Again, no other young QB of the above mentioned is ever questioned with the same criteria that Purdy is. None of the above is doubted the way Purdy is.

And I get why. Everyone with something bad to say about Purdy likes a team that was willing to let him be an UDFA. For some of these people to admit that Purdy's elite skills (like anticipation, pocket awareness, processing, and accuracy) could translate to their team, they'd first need to admit that their front office couldn't spot one of the best young talents at the most important position in the game. It's a tough pill to swallow and easier to admit it's a mirage or some wizardry by Shanahan that makes him good.

They don't get questioned like Brock because of their tangible traits.

for the most part those 1st rd guys had some fairly quick turnaround when they started. CJ went to a bad Texans team & Daniels went to a bad DC team.

Brock had success on a team that had the same success with a guy that's a career backup currently.

T-Law has been regarded as a generational QB prospect since high school.

Intangibles such as leadership, personality, study habits, moral compass, etc. certainly can play into a QBs success, but when we're talking about Purdy's ability to throw a guy open, or feather a throw with pinpoint accuracy, or process through reads quickly, or maneuver the pocket to evade rushers, etc., we are describing ways his brain and body are physically interacting. These are in fact tangible even if hard to measure. And I'd argue Brock's tangible traits related to how his brain physically processes the game, are in fact the most important traits to successfully QBing. So when you say the other guys have tangibles, I scoff to that idea because Brock has them too, and in spades where it counts most.

Originally posted by Chance:
Intangibles such as leadership, personality, study habits, moral compass, etc. certainly can play into a QBs success, but when we're talking about Purdy's ability to throw a guy open, or feather a throw with pinpoint accuracy, or process through reads quickly, or maneuver the pocket to evade rushers, etc., we are describing ways his brain and body are physically interacting. These are in fact tangible even if hard to measure. And I'd argue Brock's tangible traits related to how his brain physically processes the game, are in fact the most important traits to successfully QBing. So when you say the other guys have tangibles, I scoff to that idea because Brock has them too, and in spades where it counts most.

biggest aspect i see now is he has to want to win and be great. brady improved daily for 20 seasons, that's why he's the best. lot of guys get the contract and shut it down. that's just human nature. i'm sure if many of us got $265m we would be out of our day jobs so fast the chair would be spinning. that happens in pro football as well. i think he wants to win and loves the game. i'm looking for those improvements over time, he needs to keep getting better. a lot of our guys simply didn't get better. alex got better, but colin k and jimmy and trey didn't really get better.

Originally posted by Montana:
Yep, they have already done it. I don't really compare Brock to Montana..that's crazy shoes to fill and yeah, unfair. However, I have had memories of Walsh/Young/Joe during some plays cause they were just that good. For those who didn't experience those days, sorry, you missed out terribly lol. But some Kyle/Brock combos felt like the old 9ers team we used to have. Montana and Brees were just rare diamonds. Brock has showed up in some pretty intense moments/last min drives, cool as a cucumber and IIRC, left the SB field with the lead? I honestly try to block the SB out..it was too devastating lol. He has left the field a few times with the lead and the game was not won.

Brock is good with his legs, when he uses them. I do not like him diving head first lol..dude needs to slide more. Yeah, Young has been vocal about yards being out there to get, he's right..there was also no stopping Young when he was hungry for those yards. He was determined like no other.

With more experience I'm expecting more positive late game heroics. We need TDs not FG late in those games…especially vs Mahomes.

yup we will see, I'm optimistic!

Originally posted by Chance:
Intangibles such as leadership, personality, study habits, moral compass, etc. certainly can play into a QBs success, but when we're talking about Purdy's ability to throw a guy open, or feather a throw with pinpoint accuracy, or process through reads quickly, or maneuver the pocket to evade rushers, etc., we are describing ways his brain and body are physically interacting. These are in fact tangible even if hard to measure. And I'd argue Brock's tangible traits related to how his brain physically processes the game, are in fact the most important traits to successfully QBing. So when you say the other guys have tangibles, I scoff to that idea because Brock has them too, and in spades where it counts most.

I mean you can say the same thing with those other guys as well as far as intangibles and being able to throw guys open/layer throws. They're all pretty accurate and smart as well.

What has gotten Brock to where he is, is his ability to process quickly and use his anticipation. He has to because he doesn't have that rocket arm. Margin of error is less from that standpoint. I wouldn't even say he has great mechanics, so that's something he can improve upon.

I'm just telling you why Brock doesn't get the benefit of the doubt vs other highly drafted QBs. He simply doesn't have the overall wow tangible traits, scoff all you like doesn't change anything…if he did, he would have been drafted much higher. He also plays on a team that had a ton of success with a guy deemed a backup in the league currently. That's not me hating on Brock, that's just the perception of all of it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean you can say the same thing with those other guys as well as far as intangibles and being able to throw guys open/layer throws. They're all pretty accurate and smart as well.

What has gotten Brock to where he is, is his ability to process quickly and use his anticipation. He has to because he doesn't have that rocket arm. Margin of error is less from that standpoint. I wouldn't even say he has great mechanics, so that's something he can improve upon.

I'm just telling you why Brock doesn't get the benefit of the doubt vs other highly drafted QBs. He simply doesn't have the overall wow tangible traits, scoff all you like doesn't change anything…if he did, he would have been drafted much higher. He also plays on a team that had a ton of success with a guy deemed a backup in the league currently. That's not me hating on Brock, that's just the perception of all of it.

on jimmy, yeah he's deemed a backup in his mid 30s, after a ton of surg. that happens. just cuz he's a backup now, doesn't mean he wasn't a good player for us 5 years ago. times change. cousins is a backup now, and rodgers is a street FA who doesn't seem to be garnering a ton of interest. guys get old.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by RickyRoma:

Originally posted by Chance:
Doesn't even matter if they're correct if no other QB is held to the same criteria. For some reason Brock is the only QB that is judged based on the system he plays in and players around him instead of purely his talent. Does anyone question whether CJ Stroud is a product of his system and surrounding talent? Well if he's not, why the f**k is it okay that Purdy is? It's because one was the top pick, and the other the 262nd, that's why.

Tom Brady was questioned after multiple SB wins. If a guy who is argued as the best the game has ever seen, was questioned....even after multiple Lombardi's....then practically everyone else will be as well (based on his low draft status).

I still have valid questions about how legit good Purdy is.

I still have legit questions how good Stroud, T-Law, Love, and Jayden Daniels really are. The same exact way I have questions about how good any promising young QB is, including Purdy. Again, no other young QB of the above mentioned is ever questioned with the same criteria that Purdy is. None of the above is doubted the way Purdy is.

And I get why. Everyone with something bad to say about Purdy likes a team that was willing to let him be an UDFA. For some of these people to admit that Purdy's elite skills (like anticipation, pocket awareness, processing, and accuracy) could translate to their team, they'd first need to admit that their front office couldn't spot one of the best young talents at the most important position in the game. It's a tough pill to swallow and easier to admit it's a mirage or some wizardry by Shanahan that makes him good.

I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I firmly believe this has played a massive role in the media being very anti-Purdy and doubtful of Purdy.

And one franchise in particular that likely has a massive sway in media narratives? The Pittsburgh Steelers. The team that has won six Super Bowls, has very sustainable coaching/leadership, and doesn't seem to get criticized much in the media despite being just barely "good enough" for the last 15 years.

And what's been the Steelers' main issue the last few years? No QB. And… what did they do in the 2022 draft that no other team did?

They drafted TWO QB's. One early and one late. Neither of which was Purdy. And neither was even 10% as good as Purdy.

And so, to try to save face for their front office that has an amazing reputation, they are trying to push the media so, so hard to say that Purdy isn't that good.

Again, call me a tin-foil hat guy, but this has been my theory for a solid two years, now.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I know I sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I firmly believe this has played a massive role in the media being very anti-Purdy and doubtful of Purdy.

And one franchise in particular that likely has a massive sway in media narratives? The Pittsburgh Steelers. The team that has won six Super Bowls, has very sustainable coaching/leadership, and doesn't seem to get criticized much in the media despite being just barely "good enough" for the last 15 years.

And what's been the Steelers' main issue the last few years? No QB. And… what did they do in the 2022 draft that no other team did?

They drafted TWO QB's. One early and one late. Neither of which was Purdy. And neither was even 10% as good as Purdy.

And so, to try to save face for their front office that has an amazing reputation, they are trying to push the media so, so hard to say that Purdy isn't that good.

Again, call me a tin-foil hat guy, but this has been my theory for a solid two years, now.

you are a tin foil hat guy 100% lol

acting like the media is gonna clown on brock as some conspired agenda to do what, prop up the random steelers, cuz they took Pickett? pickett played his college ball in the Steelers home yard. he was a natural pick, now he didn't work out, neither did trey for us in our 2021 draft. you don't need a media conspiracy to benefit the steelers. the steelers are a brand just like us cuz they played hard nosed, blue collar football for 40 years and won rings. they had their dynasty years like us, that's why they have fans all over. kyle brandt and these others don't need to cover for the steelers, as if that would even do anything. i did enjoy reading your theory at least