Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean is he blaming a shoulder injury on his arm strength at Iowa State as well? He's never had a plus arm…it's serviceable, but he relied on other skills to get him to where he is.
it's weird people downplay the talent around him in 2023 and then use the lack of talent around him in 2024 as to why he wasn't as good…the truth is somewhere in the middle.
We're not gonna play this game NY. I know you're smart enough to follow the conversation without inventing a narrative that wasn't there.
There is a difference in claiming Brock was floating passes all year long and that's why he wasn't as good in 2023 and saying Brock's otherwise perfect arm was impacted by a shoulder injury.
I'm well aware of Brock's arm limitations but sitting back and pretending the guy struggled last year because of his arm strength vs all the injuries and roster issues around him is a whole different ball game.
You're right the truth is somewhere down the middle and the fact is despite all the issues last year with the roster and his arm, he was still putting up pretty good numbers overall and yet people are acting like he was just awful with those guys out of the lineup.
Once again a reminder to some folks...this is Brock on his apparently noodle armed season with top players out of the lineup vs Trevor Lawrence who had the majority of his top guys available all year long with his big arm and flowing locks. Both in their 3rd season in the NFL. 
As far as reaction to Lawrence getting paid I don't recall many people being critical of the deal. If anything people should be excited about Brock's future with a healthy team around him. The whole idea that he needs All Pros everywhere is unfounded. Like I said before nobody brings up the talent Goff or Hurts have around them...why not? Is their arm strength giving them that much more ability to play with lesser talent? The film certainly doesn't back that up when their top guys are out. So what is it about Brock that we're not feeling confident about outside of his draft status and physical traits?
I was referring more to his arm talent overall (strength) than blaming his mistakes on his shoulder. I'm not blaming his play on his arm talent overall…just pointing out that's who he is and what he has to deal with. It's like pretending a guy is 6–4, when he's really 5-11. Is what it is. s**t isn't gonna change.
It's not like he's was awful last yr either. Plenty to point out for a down yrs across the board.
I mean I could replace Lawrence with Baker mayfield and get completely different numbers all the same. Would TL be better here vs the jags? Objectively I would say yes. Who cares, he's not.
Im also not being critical of Brock getting paid. I think it was a "fair" deal. The whole $65M APY stuff wasn't real life. He's gotta play better late in games for this team to take it to the next level. Overall he's young and smart. Keep the team around him good and he will win a bunch of games