QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Brock on the path of most wins to start career for example he's chasing Big Ben

Hahah he wouldn't be able to beat that until the middle of next season. I remember watching Big Ben back then, he was awesome. That Steelers team was incredible Iike ours. We have more offensive taken but they had really really good talent too. I'd actually say their defense was just as good As ours - talent wise.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:

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Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

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Originally posted by boast:

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so teams with poor OLs will have a greater influence on a QBs TOWP percentage because the QB is constantly getting pressured and create more chances for getting the ball loose.

You could say the same thing about INT's.

Niner Talk told me QB WINS are team stat so i guess TOWPs are too.

Wtf are QB wins? Wins are a team stat.

PFR lists the QBs record as a statistic associated with the QB, so do many other stat sites.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PurdBr00.htm

I must be blind so please forgive me but I do not see a win/loss column on that link you provided.

Under the passing section it says QBrec. But it's not a QB stat but unfortunately people need to associate a team accomplishment to a single person. Same with baseball a pitcher gets credit for a win even if the batters scored 12 runs in the first inning and said pitcher gives up 9 runs in the first but if they ultimately win he gets the "win"

Qb wins is an actual stat the QB position is the only position the NFL credits with a win. The league itself tracks QB wins as a stat. This is why you see winningest QB as a stat on telecasts. We should be aware of this as we have often seen such graphics and stats in 49er games thanks to JGs record as starter. Take that stat for what you will.

Yeah it's a statistic granted to QBs. But it should be taken with a huge grain of salt. It shouldn't hold much weight if the QBs play and more measurable statistics don't coincide with the wins. A QB like Aaron Rodgers, Pat Mahomes, Peyton Manning or Drew Brees putting up numbers that show they are clearly elevating their team to become a winning team I don't think anyone disagrees they were a major contributor to the win. But when Tim Tebow had lots of wins I don't think he deserves much credit for those win (in the pros)

I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.

QB wins and team success/ SB wins is often the reason Tom Brady is cited as 'The Goat' along with his crazy longevity.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
There's plenty of pointless stats. 3rd down sacks, TTT, anything PFF scores. It's about being honest about it.

Agreed. All of it has a place and can be used, but ya got it be honest about it for sure.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Brock on the path of most wins to start career for example he's chasing Big Ben

Hahah he wouldn't be able to beat that until the middle of next season. I remember watching Big Ben back then, he was awesome. That Steelers team was incredible Iike ours. We have more offensive taken but they had really really good talent too. I'd actually say their defense was just as good As ours - talent wise.

It was a crazy run. One of those records where the stars aligned and the #1 is just in a different universe than everyone else... pre-Purdy of course.

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
it's a win for the team in our standings. QB is the only position credited with a 'win'. It's how the stat works. It's like the stat ints. When the ball clangs off both the hands of the receiver and is intercepted it counts as an int for the QB. May be unfair but is what it is.

I get that, and like a lot of statistics there's actual nuance and context within any of it. Like hysterical said. Let's at least be honest about all of it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
There's plenty of pointless stats. 3rd down sacks, TTT, anything PFF scores. It's about being honest about it.

Agreed. All of it has a place and can be used, but ya got it be honest about it for sure.

I'm sure there are Cowboy fans who say Emmett Smith is the greatest RB to ever play and just pulls up rushing yards. Stats are so easy to misconstrue and use. Like the people who only look at interceptions if a DB is good when it really is just a minimal part about being a DB.

I've been skeptical of Brock just because I didn't think he was very talented.

Now I'm not ready to call the guy Joe Montana BUT I have to be honest, most questions I had about the guy he's answered in a positive way.

After the Dolphins my big concern was - how will he look when teams game plan against him vs a solid defense.
Enter Bucs, Exit Bucs.
Then could he handle a key divisional matchup on the road and with added injury issue
Kid did what he needed to do vs Seattle to win the division before xmas.
Then could he keep it going vs another top 5(at the time) defense like Washington after they had a handful of games of tape on him?
He kept it going in a big way.
Then we got the "can he rebound after a bad pick and play from behind"

I still have some gripes but no QB is perfect. Brock has really impressed me with how he carries himself and his ability to avoid negative plays in the pocket. His throwaway vs Washington(I think) when he is pursued by the defender but he's able to fake him out, spin around and toss the ball away vs running out of bounds for the big loss or taking the sack for the big loss.

Obviously in the grand scheme of things it was an incompletion but not to knock Jimmy but we can pretty much guarantee in that situation that's not happening.

I think we're in pretty good hands with Brock. Obviously don't want to see him in more shootouts so hopefully the defense gets back on track but the kid can play. Let's see and hope that he can finish off his amazing story this season by becoming the first rookie and certainly first Mr Irrelevant to win a SB.

PURDY great QB. He looks like the real deal. It will be tough for him to lose that job.

Originally posted by genus49:
I've been skeptical of Brock just because I didn't think he was very talented.

Now I'm not ready to call the guy Joe Montana BUT I have to be honest, most questions I had about the guy he's answered in a positive way.

After the Dolphins my big concern was - how will he look when teams game plan against him vs a solid defense.
Enter Bucs, Exit Bucs.
Then could he handle a key divisional matchup on the road and with added injury issue
Kid did what he needed to do vs Seattle to win the division before xmas.
Then could he keep it going vs another top 5(at the time) defense like Washington after they had a handful of games of tape on him?
He kept it going in a big way.
Then we got the "can he rebound after a bad pick and play from behind"

I still have some gripes but no QB is perfect. Brock has really impressed me with how he carries himself and his ability to avoid negative plays in the pocket. His throwaway vs Washington(I think) when he is pursued by the defender but he's able to fake him out, spin around and toss the ball away vs running out of bounds for the big loss or taking the sack for the big loss.

Obviously in the grand scheme of things it was an incompletion but not to knock Jimmy but we can pretty much guarantee in that situation that's not happening.

I think we're in pretty good hands with Brock. Obviously don't want to see him in more shootouts so hopefully the defense gets back on track but the kid can play. Let's see and hope that he can finish off his amazing story this season by becoming the first rookie and certainly first Mr Irrelevant to win a SB.

He's stepped up in such a huge way that any question I had about his mental makeup has been answered, although playoffs will be a different beast. If I wanted to be difficult, I could ask, "how would he do without 4 of the better skill players in league?". Very few QBs can carry an offense so it's unreasonable to require him to do that at this stage in his career. And we don't have to answer that because it's not the case, he does have good skill players and he is efficiently moving the ball with sprinkles of splash plays.
Various DCs have thrown the kitchen sink at him in terms of scheme (coverage variation, presnap disguises) and he hasn't looked lost at any time. No hyperbole, I don't think he's had a single 'deer in the headlights' moment.

Originally posted by genus49:
I've been skeptical of Brock just because I didn't think he was very talented.

Now I'm not ready to call the guy Joe Montana BUT I have to be honest, most questions I had about the guy he's answered in a positive way.

After the Dolphins my big concern was - how will he look when teams game plan against him vs a solid defense.
Enter Bucs, Exit Bucs.
Then could he handle a key divisional matchup on the road and with added injury issue
Kid did what he needed to do vs Seattle to win the division before xmas.
Then could he keep it going vs another top 5(at the time) defense like Washington after they had a handful of games of tape on him?
He kept it going in a big way.
Then we got the "can he rebound after a bad pick and play from behind"

I still have some gripes but no QB is perfect. Brock has really impressed me with how he carries himself and his ability to avoid negative plays in the pocket. His throwaway vs Washington(I think) when he is pursued by the defender but he's able to fake him out, spin around and toss the ball away vs running out of bounds for the big loss or taking the sack for the big loss.

Obviously in the grand scheme of things it was an incompletion but not to knock Jimmy but we can pretty much guarantee in that situation that's not happening.

I think we're in pretty good hands with Brock. Obviously don't want to see him in more shootouts so hopefully the defense gets back on track but the kid can play. Let's see and hope that he can finish off his amazing story this season by becoming the first rookie and certainly first Mr Irrelevant to win a SB.

It was perhaps telling when Lance went down and nothing was really done roster wise other than get another QB to prax squad. Purdy was active from Week 3 on behind JG who is notorious for his frequent trips to the injury list. They must have felt he could execute if called upon. Even they must be surprised at how well he is pulling it off.

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
It was perhaps telling when Lance went down and nothing was really done roster wise other than get another QB to prax squad. Purdy was active from Week 3 on behind JG who is notorious for his frequent trips to the injury list. They must have felt he could execute if called upon. Even they must be surprised at how well he is pulling it off.

that's been the word from the players and coaches for awhile. the big hints were cutting Sudfeld and keeping three QBs on the 53.

Not to take away from Purdy, although I know this statement does: I still have to wonder how much of this is CMC. I mean Jimmy was playing some good football at the end and CMC was just learning the playbook.

Originally posted by Jakemall:
Not to take away from Purdy, although I know this statement does: I still have to wonder how much of this is CMC. I mean Jimmy was playing some good football at the end and CMC was just learning the playbook.

It's a little of both. He has great weapons around him and he's playing really well. But I think it's Purdy too. He had that 47 starts in College. A 4 year starter. That's where he sees the game really well. The mental aspect of the game. Which is what you would really want at QB anyway. The most essential and most underrated part. People always get caught up in that combine stuff too much.

Originally posted by Jakemall:
Not to take away from Purdy, although I know this statement does: I still have to wonder how much of this is CMC. I mean Jimmy was playing some good football at the end and CMC was just learning the playbook.

49ers may be rewriting the playbook on team building. People have an idea that you don't need RBs you can get someone undrafted or late round. The idea has truth to it. However the idea misses how transformative a HOF type RB can be for a club. CMC one of the great duel threat RBs in league history. Hard to find that undrafted. Much easier to simply trade for the known quantity.