QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
Not to take away from Purdy, although I know this statement does: I still have to wonder how much of this is CMC. I mean Jimmy was playing some good football at the end and CMC was just learning the playbook.

It's a little of both. He has great weapons around him and he's playing really well. But I think it's Purdy too. He had that 47 starts in College. A 4 year starter. That's where he sees the game really well. The mental aspect of the game. Which is what you would really want at QB anyway. The most essential and most underrated part. People always get caught up in that combine stuff too much.

Possibly. He's looked really good overall. That said, with the question in the air I let them battle it out in the off season. I'm not a fan of replacing someone when they're hurt, but it's also hard to argue the hot hand when it looks this good. QB battle is the only fair way to handle it. Then you keep both, because we can. Jimmy is really the only odd man out here.

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.

QB wins and team success/ SB wins is often the reason Tom Brady is cited as 'The Goat' along with his crazy longevity.

But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.

QB wins and team success/ SB wins is often the reason Tom Brady is cited as 'The Goat' along with his crazy longevity.

But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before some people say Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?

FYP

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.

QB wins and team success/ SB wins is often the reason Tom Brady is cited as 'The Goat' along with his crazy longevity.

But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?

was Montana the caboose of those 9er teams .. no one has to bring up W/L for Montana.. you only bring up W/L when you have to prop someone up

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I think we want to be consistent here. If you don't like QB wins, then perhaps you should not like the number of rings a QB has to measure the QB performance either. If that is your position, maybe you can make a valid and solid argument that Dan Marino was better than Joe Montana.

QB wins and team success/ SB wins is often the reason Tom Brady is cited as 'The Goat' along with his crazy longevity.

But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?

I don't think winning a SB makes a QB better. If he was a huge reason they won then he deserves a lot of the credit but wins are still a team stat. Steve Young doesn't throw 5 TD passes without Jerry Rice and receivers like him getting open or the O line giving him time. It's no more a QB stat than it is a WR stat or a defensive end stat.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?

Rings aren't the same as wins. Also I look at Joe as the best because in the biggest games he shined the brightest.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
Not to take away from Purdy, although I know this statement does: I still have to wonder how much of this is CMC. I mean Jimmy was playing some good football at the end and CMC was just learning the playbook.

It's a little of both. He has great weapons around him and he's playing really well. But I think it's Purdy too. He had that 47 starts in College. A 4 year starter. That's where he sees the game really well. The mental aspect of the game. Which is what you would really want at QB anyway. The most essential and most underrated part. People always get caught up in that combine stuff too much.

Possibly. He's looked really good overall. That said, with the question in the air I let them battle it out in the off season. I'm not a fan of replacing someone when they're hurt, but it's also hard to argue the hot hand when it looks this good. QB battle is the only fair way to handle it. Then you keep both, because we can. Jimmy is really the only odd man out here.

As of right now he would start against anybody based on play. I think he's light years ahead of Lance in the mental aspect of the game. He's athletic enough and underrated. Purdy can be your starter easily. Jimmy G has yet another injury unfortunately for him. So it's possible he could come back yet again under a reduced contract. We could have a good 3 QB locker room. Or 2 however it works out. I think Purdy is way ahead of Lance though. Both in play and certainly in the mental aspect of the game.

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
49ers may be rewriting the playbook on team building. People have an idea that you don't need RBs you can get someone undrafted or late round. The idea has truth to it. However the idea misses how transformative a HOF type RB can be for a club. CMC one of the great duel threat RBs in league history. Hard to find that undrafted. Much easier to simply trade for the known quantity.

For me, getting CMC was always about the pass catching possibilities. Matchups that kyle could expose and how teams would try to defend him. I think Mitchell is just as talented as a pure running back in this system, he just can't stay healthy.

man I hope he can stay on the field though the playoffs. Looks like playing GB is a real possibility and they have one of the worst run defenses according to DVOA in the league (31st). Philly isn't very good (20th) and NYG are the worst in the league currently. We gonna run the ball.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?

Rings aren't the same as wins. Also I look at Joe as the best because in the biggest games he shined the brightest.

If Rings and wins were the standard, Terry Bradshaw was one of the greatest.... That was hard to type.

Is Bill Russell the best basketball player ever?

Is Yogi Berra the best baseball player ever?

Is Henri Richard the best hockey player ever?

It's not all wins and rings either.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
For me, getting CMC was always about the pass catching possibilities. Matchups that kyle could expose and how teams would try to defend him. I think Mitchell is just as talented as a pure running back in this system, he just can't stay healthy.

man I hope he can stay on the field though the playoffs. Looks like playing GB is a real possibility and they have one of the worst run defenses according to DVOA in the league (31st). Philly isn't very good (20th) and NYG are the worst in the league currently. We gonna run the ball.

Especially if the rain stays a factor.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
As of right now he would start against anybody based on play. I think he's light years ahead of Lance in the mental aspect of the game. He's athletic enough and underrated. Purdy can be your starter easily. Jimmy G has yet another injury unfortunately for him. So it's possible he could come back yet again under a reduced contract. We could have a good 3 QB locker room. Or 2 however it works out. I think Purdy is way ahead of Lance though. Both in play and certainly in the mental aspect of the game.

Possible in the sense that .000001 is possible.

Dude wants to start. If he didn't want to start he doesn't redo his deal to prevent a franchise tag or increase the amount of money he gets if he started because of injury. Would've been fine just being a backup. And he should go somewhere and start.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
As of right now he would start against anybody based on play. I think he's light years ahead of Lance in the mental aspect of the game. He's athletic enough and underrated. Purdy can be your starter easily. Jimmy G has yet another injury unfortunately for him. So it's possible he could come back yet again under a reduced contract. We could have a good 3 QB locker room. Or 2 however it works out. I think Purdy is way ahead of Lance though. Both in play and certainly in the mental aspect of the game.

Possible in the sense that .000001 is possible.

Dude wants to start. If he didn't want to start he doesn't redo his deal to prevent a franchise tag or increase the amount of money he gets if he started because of injury. Would've been fine just being a backup. And he should go somewhere and start.

Yeah he will probably go somewhere else. He wants to play. Purdy is way ahead here though. We found something great in the late rounds.

Originally posted by Jakemall:
Not to take away from Purdy, although I know this statement does: I still have to wonder how much of this is CMC. I mean Jimmy was playing some good football at the end and CMC was just learning the playbook.

There is definitely something to this...and it's something I bring up to people looking to ship off Trey Lance. Look at the two guys who have been the main guys with Brock out there - Kittle and CMC. Neither player was there with Lance.

The impact McCaffrey has had on the offense overall has been huge but to be fair to Brock we have seen snaps when Christian wasn't out there and he was still making plays so he's clearly got what it takes.

thl said it earlier, we haven't seen him carry the team or play with inferior talent but if we're lucky we'll never have to see that! Just need him to keep playing good football and hope the rest of the team stays healthy and does their part to keep the machine going.

Let's hope the Raiders game was the last kick in the butt that the team needed to bring out their best version for the playoffs.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
But that is the point. For all of us Niners fans, if you think Joe Montana was GOAT (at least before Brady took the title), do you think QB wins and Rings are BS?

Rings aren't the same as wins. Also I look at Joe as the best because in the biggest games he shined the brightest.

If Rings and wins were the standard, Terry Bradshaw was one of the greatest.... That was hard to type.

He was one of the greatest. He was a #1 overall pick and has a gold jacket and league MVP. There were a host of rule changes in the late 70s that opened up the pass game. This made Marino's breakout season possible. Bradshaw spent much of his career playing when receivers could get mauled up and down the field while running routes and it's completely legal. When the rules changed in 78 he won league MVP, the Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP, all in the same season.