QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Typecast:

We're the franchise that handed Jimmy G a market-resetting contract after 5 games started for us and 7 games started in total. Again, Purdy is at 42 games at this point. The sample size is fine.

How'd that work out, not good, they misjudged Jimmy and other teams figured him out and made him ineffective. Same thing with Kap

Originally posted by Typecast:

1. He's got 43 games played through three years. That is in no way "limited time".

2. Claiming he was "avg to below avg last year"... I've yet to see an actual argument for why Purdy was "avg to below avg" that stands up to scrutiny.

3. We're the franchise that handed Jimmy G a market-resetting contract after 5 games started for us and 7 games started in total. Again, Purdy is at 42 games at this point. The sample size is fine.

1. Re: "sample size / limited time":
If Purdy had played great last year, then we could say "the sample size is fine". But he played average last year, he regressed as teams were learning his weaknesses, he was average starter. His sample size indicates that he got worse last year. So it's "arrow down" for Purdy and nobody knows how good or bad he will be.

2. Re: Purdy was average last year based on these facts:
His team went 6-11 (below average)
49ers were last in their division
49ers scored 14th in total points (average) despite Shanahan and highest paid offense
Worst 49ers offensive performance since 2018
Purdy was 13th in passer rating among starters (average)
Purdy was ~21st in TD/Int ratio among starters (below average)

3. Re: Jimmy G (and Kap) contract extensions:
The 49ers made a mistake with the Jimmy G contract as teams did figure him out and adjusted to make him less effective. Same thing happened with Kap. Don't want to make an extension mistake again by overpaying the QB.

I like Purdy. I wouldn't be shocked if he did great, or if teams figured him out and he regressed. So why overpay him if you don't have to?
I think that a 4 year extension at $45/yr would be OK.

If you're a 49er fan, you want the team to win. To win, we need to save money so we can afford more weapons around Purdy. Esp. for a distributor QB like Purdy who does need great weapons to succeed. Why over pay if we don't have to?

almost 4.5k post, not even half as good as Jimmy G.

also more Purdy Throwing:

I swear this team just loves to create drama in the offseason. It never works out for them and they continue to do it. The contract disputes killed our season last year and they haven't learned from it. Brock is going to get everything he wants just like every other big name player they have done this with on this team. And the fans will ask the same question as always " Why didn't you get this done a few months ago if you were just going to pay them what they are asking for anyways"

And Lynch will have the same answer as always "We would have loved to get it done early"

Originally posted by JTB1974:

I swear this team just loves to create drama in the offseason. It never works out for them and they continue to do it. The contract disputes killed our season last year and they haven't learned from it. Brock is going to get everything he wants just like every other big name player they have done this with on this team. And the fans will ask the same question as always " Why didn't you get this done a few months ago if you were just going to pay them what they are asking for anyways"

And Lynch will have the same answer as always "We would have loved to get it done early"

It takes time because the players all have lawyers negotiating and the lawyers get a sliding scale higher percentage the more money they get. So the lawyers will ask for the moon, and try to squeeze every penny from the team, and get Purdy a $60 mil deal hoping that the team is stupid and will cave to the pressure just like half the posters here on this forum. The lawyers will squeeze out every penny they can, but that is bad for the team and stupid if they succumb to the pressure.

Originally posted by maxsmart:
It takes time because the players all have lawyers negotiating and the lawyers get a sliding scale higher percentage the more money they get. So the lawyers will ask for the moon, and try to squeeze every penny from the team, and get Purdy a $60 mil deal hoping that the team is stupid and will cave to the pressure just like half the posters here on this forum. The lawyers will squeeze out every penny they can, but that is bad for the team and stupid if they succumb to the pressure.

But it only happens with our team. Every other team has no problem not dragging things out. Except maybe the Cowboys, But do you want to be like them? That franchise is a mess.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by maxsmart:
It takes time because the players all have lawyers negotiating and the lawyers get a sliding scale higher percentage the more money they get. So the lawyers will ask for the moon, and try to squeeze every penny from the team, and get Purdy a $60 mil deal hoping that the team is stupid and will cave to the pressure just like half the posters here on this forum. The lawyers will squeeze out every penny they can, but that is bad for the team and stupid if they succumb to the pressure.

But it only happens with our team. Every other team has no problem not dragging things out. Except maybe the Cowboys, But do you want to be like them? That franchise is a mess.

Bingo. I realized with any significant deal they have never signed that player before the draft. So I expect Brock done shortly after the draft if they are truly motivated to get a deal done. If this drags out anything stupid it's simply how this front office operates.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Typecast:
As a whole. The numbers include playoffs.

Thinking about just playoffs now, I kinda want to go through comments of those postseason game threads and see everyone meme'ing about Purdy getting paid off of specific poor performances. Herbert might have been trash but he's #1 in my hair & rocket arm rankings!

Lol, those were pretty embarrassing. I would bet 32 out of 32 teams would take Herbert over Purdy.

Interesting list in any case. I think mine would include 7-8 of the same choices, in different order mostly.

Notice how his criteria were all rate and efficiency based (if you believe it, that is).

Nothing at all observatory. No need to watch and differentiate.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
But it only happens with our team. Every other team has no problem not dragging things out. Except maybe the Cowboys, But do you want to be like them? That franchise is a mess.

If it's only our team, why has there been a number of good-to-great players that have played out the final year of their deal,...and even been franchise tagged the year later?

Brock's under contract.

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by Typecast:
1. He's got 43 games played through three years. That is in no way "limited time".

2. Claiming he was "avg to below avg last year"... I've yet to see an actual argument for why Purdy was "avg to below avg" that stands up to scrutiny.

3. We're the franchise that handed Jimmy G a market-resetting contract after 5 games started for us and 7 games started in total. Again, Purdy is at 42 games at this point. The sample size is fine.

1. Re: "sample size / limited time":
If Purdy had played great last year, then we could say "the sample size is fine". But he played average last year, he regressed as teams were learning his weaknesses, he was average starter. His sample size indicates that he got worse last year. So it's "arrow down" for Purdy and nobody knows how good or bad he will be.

2. Re: Purdy was average last year based on these facts:
His team went 6-11 (below average)
49ers were last in their division
49ers scored 14th in total points (average) despite Shanahan and highest paid offense
Worst 49ers offensive performance since 2018
Purdy was 13th in passer rating among starters (average)
Purdy was ~21st in TD/Int ratio among starters (below average)

3. Re: Jimmy G (and Kap) contract extensions:
The 49ers made a mistake with the Jimmy G contract as teams did figure him out and adjusted to make him less effective. Same thing happened with Kap. Don't want to make an extension mistake again by overpaying the QB.

I like Purdy. I wouldn't be shocked if he did great, or if teams figured him out and he regressed. So why overpay him if you don't have to?
I think that a 4 year extension at $45/yr would be OK.

If you're a 49er fan, you want the team to win. To win, we need to save money so we can afford more weapons around Purdy. Esp. for a distributor QB like Purdy who does need great weapons to succeed. Why over pay if we don't have to?

Do you actually watch the games?

I can never understand how some of you make these statements with complete disregard for the full picture.

Small sample size isn't 42 starts including playoffs. It's a ridiculous argument to even lead with considering we all know Brock has been playing for insanely low amount and his performance has been WELL above that contract. There are literally backups who were making more than him all over the league and on our own teams. To pretend there isn't enough sample size to extend him is absurd.

Second you list team accomplishments in the same post you claim Brock regressed and mention a highest paid offense.

Do you really not see the silliness in that? Was Brock the reason it was so highly paid? You think missing the highest paid RB almost all season. Missing the highest paid LT, one of the highest paid WRs most of the year could've impacted the offense?

Worst performance since 2018? Is your Google broken? They were 13th in points and 4th in yards. They were 13th and 7th just in 2021 and that was with All Pro season Deebo, Aiyuk and almost everyone critical being available all or most of the year. Only difference from 2023 was no CMC…who also wasn't healthy or around last season and Purdy didn't have an OL of Trent Williams, Laken, Alex Mack, Brunskill and Mike McGlinchey which was one of the best OLs we had under Shanahan.

I noticed you ignored my response to your original post because I asked you to provide examples of how you believe teams caught up to Brock like you believe they did to Kap and Jimmy.

Jimmy was never the same after tearing his ACL and started to panic once the pocket got muddied and he didn't have a clean read he could get the ball out to quickly(his best trait) unlike Brock, Jimmy didn't have a good read on his arm limitations and teams knew that if they contained the middle of the field Jimmy's game was in trouble if he couldn't get the ball out quick and his guys couldn't get YAC since Jimmy preferred the short open stuff vs taking bigger plays down the field.

Kap's issue was all together different. Once we lost key players in free agency and Greg Roman refused to adjust his scheme it simply wasn't as effective overall. Weaker OL and no Delanie Walker with Vernon meant we couldn't easily run/pass out of the same looks with equal efficiency. Teams knew that if they could contain Kap in the pocket and shut down his first read it's a good recipe for success cuz Kap's mental game never evolved. He was not a good post snap processor and was basically turned into a first read then run guy.

Purdy is neither of those guys and the stuff you may think is teams adjusting to Brock is them adjusting to Kyle and our personnel. The Chiefs in the SB showed the blueprint. Go heavy man coverage and attack our pass protection deficiencies and use our own pass pro rules against us. Purdy is unable to adjust protections in this offense. He's relying on Jake Brendel…who was terrible last year.

There were countless plays last year when Purdy had to account for unblocked rushers cuz our guys got confused or the protection call was bad.

At the same time you have an offense missing the best weapon you have and one Kyle clearly built a lot of the offense around with CMC. Mitchell our RB2 was out for the season before it even started. Mason a great RB in his own right simply couldn't do the things CMC could do and you're shocked the offense regressed?

Go back and look at our offense with rusty Aiyuk out there - rusty or not he's a WR1 who threatens down the field and demands certain defense attention. Then look at how we looked without him out there.

That's not a Brock issue. That's an issue any offense and QB would have when your offense was prepared to revolve around two key pieces who are no longer there and now the QB has to play in a timing based offense with two rookies and backups. Guys who don't get as much time to practice with the starters. It's a major trickle down effect that people here keep glossing over.

There is a big difference in going into the season understanding you have deficiencies at certain spots and you plan around them or you work on your chemistry with the guys you have.

But when you think you're going to have CMC and Aiyuk to run your offense through and then suddenly you don't and now teams know two of your best guys vs man coverage are out…what do you think they're going to do?

Heck look at what happened in the Bears game late in the year. That team went in saying "we do what we do"

Well they played heavy zone on defense and refused to attack us how other teams have done.

How did Brock look in that game? We scored the most points on them all season and they're in the division with three excellent offenses.

So once again, you think they figured out Brock last year but the reality was with all the injuries and issues on offense they simply understood how to attack our offense and Purdy's ability to make plays became harder and harder because of it. When your two best guys at beating man coverage are on the slower side like Kittle and Jennings are then your windows get smaller and if your OL can't keep you clean they get even smaller. There is more on Kyle's plate to adjust than Brock's right now.

You're welcome to show me how I'm wrong and give me info on how defenses adjusted to Brock.

Imagine how much easier it would be to afford a $50m/ Brock contract, that won't kick in for years, if we didn't make insanely stupid moves and accrue $81m dead cap money This Year, trying to keep Kyle's favorite players instead of drafting players earlier. I think the problem is a lack of proportionality on what the real problem that needs to be fixed is. How many teams have won a Super Bowl paying $81m for Nobody, that contrubuted Nothing?

Wow - I'm sure this was already posted here, but Puka now chiming in on Purdy's contract - so weird lol -

https://www.nfl.com/news/puka-nacua-believes-49ers-window-closes-if-brock-purdy-makes-more-than-50-million-per-year

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Imagine how much easier it would be to afford a $50m/ Brock contract, that won't kick in for years, if we didn't make insanely stupid moves and accrue $81m dead cap money This Year, trying to keep Kyle's favorite players instead of drafting players earlier. I think the problem is a lack of proportionality on what the real problem that needs to be fixed is. How many teams have won a Super Bowl paying $81m for Nobody, that contrubuted Nothing?

On the flip side,...I'd argue that we were in the SB just the year b4. Dead money later was the sacrifice. Kicking the can down the road if you will.

But let's not pretend like we've had no recent success.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Imagine how much easier it would be to afford a $50m/ Brock contract, that won't kick in for years, if we didn't make insanely stupid moves and accrue $81m dead cap money This Year, trying to keep Kyle's favorite players instead of drafting players earlier. I think the problem is a lack of proportionality on what the real problem that needs to be fixed is. How many teams have won a Super Bowl paying $81m for Nobody, that contrubuted Nothing?

On the flip side,...I'd argue that we were in the SB just the year b4. Dead money later was the sacrifice. Kicking the can down the road if you will.

But let's not pretend like we've had no recent success.

OK, but if the philosophy is to sacrifice the future for a shot, you can't combine that with being stupid. Kick off in overtime. You get 4 downs and you know what you've got to beat.

Originally posted by 49erKing:
Wow - I'm sure this was already posted here, but Puka now chiming in on Purdy's contract - so weird lol -

https://www.nfl.com/news/puka-nacua-believes-49ers-window-closes-if-brock-purdy-makes-more-than-50-million-per-year

Just goes to show they don't fear Brock. He's not that guy. If he was he would've led the team to at least a wild card spot instead of going 6-11. Everything needs to be right for him.