QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
55 mil aav is not a big contract for a 25 year old franchise qb though. The next round of young QBs like Stroud and Daniels will make it look like nothing. Just like when we signed Jimmy to the highest contract, it quickly became a bargain. Mahomes was the highest paid on average when he signed and it's not even top 10 at this point. That's how qb contracts work. 55 mil isn't even 20% of this years cap. It's not a lot lol

Brock is coming off a rookie contract, in fact he is still on one. Many of the QB compares are on third contract or more. There is no "players won't want to come here crap" if Brock doesn't reset the market.
2nd contract-shorter three year deal if possible and $45m to $50m a year. Third contract-more play time. You have 100% wiped away any questions, the skies the limit.
The QB market is BS.

55 mil isn't resetting the market first off. And the qb market isn't BS lol

If players see this team as having no direction and think they don't respect the players that take care of them, all that extra cap space will be for not. You aren't signing a bunch of pro bowlers off of FA regardless. They have to draft their way out of the hole they dug themselves regardless of what happens with Brock

The QB market is BS. How can you not say so with a straight face. How many overpaid vs you truly deserve this.
And again, the rookie to second contract gets skipped again. Save mega deals for contract 3. Live with the peasant sum of 45 to 50 until then.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

55 mil aav is not a big contract for a 25 year old franchise qb though. The next round of young QBs like Stroud and Daniels will make it look like nothing. Just like when we signed Jimmy to the highest contract, it quickly became a bargain. Mahomes was the highest paid on average when he signed and it's not even top 10 at this point. That's how qb contracts work. 55 mil isn't even 20% of this years cap. It's not a lot lol

Brock is coming off a rookie contract, in fact he is still on one. Many of the QB compares are on third contract or more. There is no "players won't want to come here crap" if Brock doesn't reset the market.
2nd contract-shorter three year deal if possible and $45m to $50m a year. Third contract-more play time. You have 100% wiped away any questions, the skies the limit.
The QB market is BS.

55 mil isn't resetting the market first off. And the qb market isn't BS lol

If players see this team as having no direction and think they don't respect the players that take care of them, all that extra cap space will be for not. You aren't signing a bunch of pro bowlers off of FA regardless. They have to draft their way out of the hole they dug themselves regardless of what happens with Brock

The QB market is BS. How can you not say so with a straight face. How many overpaid vs you truly deserve this.
And again, the rookie to second contract gets skipped again. Save mega deals for contract 3. Live with the peasant sum of 45 to 50 until then.

If they built a team like the Lions and Eagles have (what teams are supposed to do) then those QBs are suddenly not overpaid. You guys make the mistake of thinking a team isn't contending because their QBs contract averages ~20% of the cap, but we see the most stacked teams in the league payed their qb the same amount when their contracts were renewed

Why switch everything up for the guy that deserves to be paid more than dudes like Trevor and Love? It's like you guys want Brock to pay for all their past mistakes

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
55 mil aav is not a big contract for a 25 year old franchise qb though. The next round of young QBs like Stroud and Daniels will make it look like nothing. Just like when we signed Jimmy to the highest contract, it quickly became a bargain. Mahomes was the highest paid on average when he signed and it's not even top 10 at this point. That's how qb contracts work. 55 mil isn't even 20% of this years cap. It's not a lot lol

Brock is coming off a rookie contract, in fact he is still on one. Many of the QB compares are on third contract or more. There is no "players won't want to come here crap" if Brock doesn't reset the market.
2nd contract-shorter three year deal if possible and $45m to $50m a year. Third contract-more play time. You have 100% wiped away any questions, the skies the limit.
The QB market is BS.

55 mil isn't resetting the market first off. And the qb market isn't BS lol

If players see this team as having no direction and think they don't respect the players that take care of them, all that extra cap space will be for not. You aren't signing a bunch of pro bowlers off of FA regardless. They have to draft their way out of the hole they dug themselves regardless of what happens with Brock

The QB market is BS. How can you not say so with a straight face. How many overpaid vs you truly deserve this.
And again, the rookie to second contract gets skipped again. Save mega deals for contract 3. Live with the peasant sum of 45 to 50 until then.

If they built a team like the Lions and Eagles have (what teams are supposed to do) then those QBs are suddenly not overpaid. You guys make the mistake of thinking a team isn't contending because their QBs contract averages ~20% of the cap, but we see the most stacked teams in the league payed their qb the same amount when their contracts were renewed

Why switch everything up for the guy that deserves to be paid more than dudes like Trevor and Love? It's like you guys want Brock to pay for all their past mistakes

Eagles won a SB with said QB and MVP. Lion's QB far from coming off a rookie contract.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

55 mil aav is not a big contract for a 25 year old franchise qb though. The next round of young QBs like Stroud and Daniels will make it look like nothing. Just like when we signed Jimmy to the highest contract, it quickly became a bargain. Mahomes was the highest paid on average when he signed and it's not even top 10 at this point. That's how qb contracts work. 55 mil isn't even 20% of this years cap. It's not a lot lol

Brock is coming off a rookie contract, in fact he is still on one. Many of the QB compares are on third contract or more. There is no "players won't want to come here crap" if Brock doesn't reset the market.
2nd contract-shorter three year deal if possible and $45m to $50m a year. Third contract-more play time. You have 100% wiped away any questions, the skies the limit.
The QB market is BS.

55 mil isn't resetting the market first off. And the qb market isn't BS lol

If players see this team as having no direction and think they don't respect the players that take care of them, all that extra cap space will be for not. You aren't signing a bunch of pro bowlers off of FA regardless. They have to draft their way out of the hole they dug themselves regardless of what happens with Brock

The QB market is BS. How can you not say so with a straight face. How many overpaid vs you truly deserve this.
And again, the rookie to second contract gets skipped again. Save mega deals for contract 3. Live with the peasant sum of 45 to 50 until then.

If they built a team like the Lions and Eagles have (what teams are supposed to do) then those QBs are suddenly not overpaid. You guys make the mistake of thinking a team isn't contending because their QBs contract averages ~20% of the cap, but we see the most stacked teams in the league payed their qb the same amount when their contracts were renewed

Why switch everything up for the guy that deserves to be paid more than dudes like Trevor and Love? It's like you guys want Brock to pay for all their past mistakes

Eagles won a SB with said QB and MVP. Lion's QB far from coming off a rookie contract.

That's irrelevant lol. They built the best teams with QBs on market contracts. That's what's relevant

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
55 mil aav is not a big contract for a 25 year old franchise qb though. The next round of young QBs like Stroud and Daniels will make it look like nothing. Just like when we signed Jimmy to the highest contract, it quickly became a bargain. Mahomes was the highest paid on average when he signed and it's not even top 10 at this point. That's how qb contracts work. 55 mil isn't even 20% of this years cap. It's not a lot lol

Brock is coming off a rookie contract, in fact he is still on one. Many of the QB compares are on third contract or more. There is no "players won't want to come here crap" if Brock doesn't reset the market.
2nd contract-shorter three year deal if possible and $45m to $50m a year. Third contract-more play time. You have 100% wiped away any questions, the skies the limit.
The QB market is BS.

55 mil isn't resetting the market first off. And the qb market isn't BS lol

If players see this team as having no direction and think they don't respect the players that take care of them, all that extra cap space will be for not. You aren't signing a bunch of pro bowlers off of FA regardless. They have to draft their way out of the hole they dug themselves regardless of what happens with Brock

The QB market is BS. How can you not say so with a straight face. How many overpaid vs you truly deserve this.
And again, the rookie to second contract gets skipped again. Save mega deals for contract 3. Live with the peasant sum of 45 to 50 until then.

If they built a team like the Lions and Eagles have (what teams are supposed to do) then those QBs are suddenly not overpaid. You guys make the mistake of thinking a team isn't contending because their QBs contract averages ~20% of the cap, but we see the most stacked teams in the league payed their qb the same amount when their contracts were renewed

Why switch everything up for the guy that deserves to be paid more than dudes like Trevor and Love? It's like you guys want Brock to pay for all their past mistakes

Eagles won a SB with said QB and MVP. Lion's QB far from coming off a rookie contract.

That's irrelevant lol. They built the best teams with QBs on market contracts. That's what's relevant

Both QBs have won SBs. Not we think we can.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

55 mil aav is not a big contract for a 25 year old franchise qb though. The next round of young QBs like Stroud and Daniels will make it look like nothing. Just like when we signed Jimmy to the highest contract, it quickly became a bargain. Mahomes was the highest paid on average when he signed and it's not even top 10 at this point. That's how qb contracts work. 55 mil isn't even 20% of this years cap. It's not a lot lol

Brock is coming off a rookie contract, in fact he is still on one. Many of the QB compares are on third contract or more. There is no "players won't want to come here crap" if Brock doesn't reset the market.
2nd contract-shorter three year deal if possible and $45m to $50m a year. Third contract-more play time. You have 100% wiped away any questions, the skies the limit.
The QB market is BS.

55 mil isn't resetting the market first off. And the qb market isn't BS lol

If players see this team as having no direction and think they don't respect the players that take care of them, all that extra cap space will be for not. You aren't signing a bunch of pro bowlers off of FA regardless. They have to draft their way out of the hole they dug themselves regardless of what happens with Brock

The QB market is BS. How can you not say so with a straight face. How many overpaid vs you truly deserve this.
And again, the rookie to second contract gets skipped again. Save mega deals for contract 3. Live with the peasant sum of 45 to 50 until then.

If they built a team like the Lions and Eagles have (what teams are supposed to do) then those QBs are suddenly not overpaid. You guys make the mistake of thinking a team isn't contending because their QBs contract averages ~20% of the cap, but we see the most stacked teams in the league payed their qb the same amount when their contracts were renewed

Why switch everything up for the guy that deserves to be paid more than dudes like Trevor and Love? It's like you guys want Brock to pay for all their past mistakes

Eagles won a SB with said QB and MVP. Lion's QB far from coming off a rookie contract.

That's irrelevant lol. They built the best teams with QBs on market contracts. That's what's relevant

Both QBs have won SBs. Not we think we can.

Only one has. And it was after his "crippling" market contract. And by this logic you don't pay Allen or Lamar either

brock just isn't worth what is being discussed. go back and watch 2024 and let me know if that guy is worth 50m. 2024 was a train wreck and he was on his rook deal which was a cheat code. bidding ourselves up on brock, paying more than any other club would pay for this player, it's a big reason the arrow is pointing down for the first time under shanny. we'll need to crush the upcoming draft.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

brock just isn't worth what is being discussed. go back and watch 2024 and let me know if that guy is worth 50m. 2024 was a train wreck and he was on his rook deal which was a cheat code. bidding ourselves up on brock, paying more than any other club would pay for this player, it's a big reason the arrow is pointing down for the first time under shanny. we'll need to crush the upcoming draft.

If 2024 was so bad how did pff and qbr rank him top 10 on such a bad team?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
brock just isn't worth what is being discussed. go back and watch 2024 and let me know if that guy is worth 50m. 2024 was a train wreck and he was on his rook deal which was a cheat code. bidding ourselves up on brock, paying more than any other club would pay for this player, it's a big reason the arrow is pointing down for the first time under shanny. we'll need to crush the upcoming draft.

If 2024 was so bad how did pff and qbr rank him top 10 on such a bad team?

lol pff ranks. go check QB rating all time you will see our former qb, top 10. you wouldn't for a second argue he is top 10. he benefitted from a good situation, and so has brock. these aren't bad players, but they aren't elite players either.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

brock just isn't worth what is being discussed. go back and watch 2024 and let me know if that guy is worth 50m. 2024 was a train wreck and he was on his rook deal which was a cheat code. bidding ourselves up on brock, paying more than any other club would pay for this player, it's a big reason the arrow is pointing down for the first time under shanny. we'll need to crush the upcoming draft.

If 2024 was so bad how did pff and qbr rank him top 10 on such a bad team?

lol pff ranks. go check QB rating all time you will see our former qb, top 10. you wouldn't for a second argue he is top 10. he benefitted from a good situation, and so has brock. these aren't bad players, but they aren't elite players either.

Jimmy wasn't 23/24 years old though. As our roster got better he got worse. He got to ride the insane Deebo and Kittle yac days, whereas Brock has had to make something out of normal receivers. Both the rating systems that take context of plays into account (passer rating doesn't) had him top 10 last year. I'll trust them over a Jimmy lover

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
brock just isn't worth what is being discussed. go back and watch 2024 and let me know if that guy is worth 50m. 2024 was a train wreck and he was on his rook deal which was a cheat code. bidding ourselves up on brock, paying more than any other club would pay for this player, it's a big reason the arrow is pointing down for the first time under shanny. we'll need to crush the upcoming draft.

If 2024 was so bad how did pff and qbr rank him top 10 on such a bad team?

Is this a measurement over a five year span to form a solid argument? Or are we talking a year or two and a partial of another? I love Brock like all here (well most here) but it is dang crazy you want your metric to cover such a short span. He should be given a generous second term contract and as that contract moves forward we have additional data to point to. I would never bet the farm on a two year dude. Others more proven, yes certainly. Two years and a partial no.

I would say handing $45m over is showing confidence by the way. Now ball in your court for next level.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Is this a measurement over a five year span to form a solid argument? Or are we talking a year or two and a partial of another? I love Brock like all here (well most here) but it is dang crazy you want your metric to cover such a short span. He should be given a generous second term contract and as that contract moves forward we have additional data to point to. I would never bet the farm on a two year dude. Others more proven, yes certainly. Two years and a partial no.

I would say handing $45m over is showing confidence by the way. Now ball in your court for next level.

Trade him then. That 45 is so stupid it's not going to work lol

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Jimmy wasn't 23/24 years old though. As our roster got better he got worse. He got to ride the insane Deebo and Kittle yac days, whereas Brock has had to make something out of normal receivers. Both the rating systems that take context of plays into account (passer rating doesn't) had him top 10 last year. I'll trust them over a Jimmy lover

just watch the games. brock's passes were softballs, and we got last place in a weak division. i'm not saying brock is a bad player. he is to QB what jennings is to WR. good player, overachiever, hard worker. if you are paying that guy a top of his position contract, or close to it, you are messing up.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Is this a measurement over a five year span to form a solid argument? Or are we talking a year or two and a partial of another? I love Brock like all here (well most here) but it is dang crazy you want your metric to cover such a short span. He should be given a generous second term contract and as that contract moves forward we have additional data to point to. I would never bet the farm on a two year dude. Others more proven, yes certainly. Two years and a partial no.

I would say handing $45m over is showing confidence by the way. Now ball in your court for next level.

Trade him then. That 45 is so stupid it's not going to work lol

We have McCorkle- The next league MVP
Look no one on this board is right or wrong. It's strictly Monday Morning GMs. But I sure know, I would be holding to not hit a market reset on rookie deal player. I hope to god he is the best out there over the next years but today that is a hope and not a fact. Pay accordingly.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Is this a measurement over a five year span to form a solid argument? Or are we talking a year or two and a partial of another? I love Brock like all here (well most here) but it is dang crazy you want your metric to cover such a short span. He should be given a generous second term contract and as that contract moves forward we have additional data to point to. I would never bet the farm on a two year dude. Others more proven, yes certainly. Two years and a partial no.

I would say handing $45m over is showing confidence by the way. Now ball in your court for next level.

Trade him then. That 45 is so stupid it's not going to work lol

We have McCorkle- The next league MVP
Look no one on this board is right or wrong. It's strictly Monday Morning GMs. But I sure know, I would be holding to not hit a market reset on rookie deal player. I hope to god he is the best out there over the next years but today that is a hope and not a fact. Pay accordingly.

Again, it's not market reset lol. It's not even 20% of the cap lmao