QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by genus49:
Or how about you just wait to see what actually happens with the contract before you go pulling receipts?

Wait wait. I mocked without referring to anyone about the insult/disrespect thing,.. and you boastfully claim no one's ever said such. That's a huge leap to take about a post where I referred to NOBODY.

No receipts are necessary if you refrain from stepping out in front and being so wrong like that.

Where was that energy when CharlieSheen, e.g., first said?

You skip right over it and bottle it up for those that repeat it, im guessing, because he wants Brock to have a huge, heavy contract?

No receipt kept,... but theyre easy to find for the selective memories some want to have.

Originally posted by random49er:
Huh? I was told this wasn't said. Type-C prematurely jumped on the bandwagon. Just showing you all when it was said, and I'm sure it's more than that. That qualifies as a mic drop cause that's toast and we obviously have to switch to something else now. It's done.

You seem reluctant to disagree with him, btw. Do you believe as well that the 49ers' position of leverage means nothing? I have yet to see you disagree with that.

Sure,...you won't personally "commit" to any type of yes or no regarding "numbers",...but 99% your disagreement energy on this subject seems to go towards the posters that think he may not command $50M of cap space on a yearly basis just yet.

What you claimed was said, was not said. You combined multiple posts and created your own quote which is why I'm asking you to actually quote people if you insist on doing that vs paraphrasing things and leading to inaccuracies.

49ers have leverage. Brock has leverage. We're in normal negotiations right now and there has been 0 indication from either side that a deal is in danger of not getting done.

The comments you're talking about were not talking about standard we start low, you go high and we meet in the middle that happens with any deal being made whether you're signing a franchise QB or buying a car.

The reason I take more issue with posters who think Brock should settle for under $50 is because there is nothing to it being realistic. It's simply fans who act like they're paying him personally and because he's not elite he shouldn't get that type of deal and I'm sorry but "other teams making bad decisions" is not a good stand.

Purdy has accomplished more than Lawrence, Love, Tua and in some ways even Dak. What they got in their deals and the market in general matters.

I don't get into the numbers because I don't honestly care about the average numbers. They get fluffed and I care about cap hits per season and guaranteed money and options to get out of the deal if the unfortunate happens.

The "I won't pay him more than 45 per" type posts deserve the criticism. It's not how things work in the NFL.

I simply trust that Brock understands his own limitations and isn't looking to handicap the team. I've said that from day 1 and there has been no indication from either side that it will be an issue.

It's also why I said these extreme side discussions are pointless.

Originally posted by Typecast:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:
For them to "insult" him this way would disgrace our organization,...they said....

There are 0 numbers mentioned. Nobody said what you're claiming.

So you remember every post here for the past 6 or so months? It certainly has been said.

Only persons to bring up "insult" in this thread in the last year is you (and now me).

I just showed you where CharlieSheen said this. You really think I'm not allowed to use synonyms when I generally refer to comments that I dont remember who the hell said until your challenge forces me to go check? We really doing this?

I showed you a post where he said it, and its over, right?

What i'd like to know about next is the selectivity? If you felt this strongly about it... you couldve responded to CharlieSheen's initial comment. He goes off course all the time. Its okay to reel him back in and still be pro-Brock.

Originally posted by random49er:
For them to "insult" him this way would disgrace our organization,...they said....

This is what you claimed was said then as an example posted Charlie's post below which says

"While we disrespect him. Why do that when we haven't found better in 30 years?"

Where is the disgrace to the organization part? Where is he referring to simple contract back and forth? It's still April…

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
What's the plan to win a sb then? I don't see one without signing Brock.

Our plan as of right now is to sign Brock.

While we disrespect him. Why do that when we haven't found better in 30 years?

Originally posted by random49er:
Wait wait. I mocked without referring to anyone about the insult/disrespect thing,.. and you boastfully claim no one's ever said such. That's a huge leap.

No receipts are necessary if you refrain from being wrong like that.

Where was that energy when CharlieSheen, e.g., first said?

You skip right over it and bottle it up for those that repeat it, im guessing, because he wants Brock to have a huge, heavy contract?

No receipt kept,... but theyre easy to find for the selective memories some want to have.

Once again you haven't found anything that you claimed was said which is why I'm asking you to stop paraphrasing things in an attempt to call people out. You don't have to list specific names to indicate what you're doing.

You cant balance this out. Youre asking me to quote a general sentiment several posters share without quoting directly.... lol.

No thanks. Every single time you and Type-C claim something I've said has been said here, you're asking me to quote where it was actually said. He linked me to a failed Google search because he contextually, he didnt grasp that words have direct synonyms, and that synonyms are allowable in normal, everyday discussion.

I can quote more, but it is needless.

I've shown enough the past few pages in response to your challenge of me paraphrasing "them."

Clear up your position instead on the "bad look" stuff I asked... or refer to the post the last couple of pages where you already have. That's actually 49er-related material.

Originally posted by random49er:

You cant balance this out. Youre asking me to quote a general sentiment several posters share without quoting directly.... lol.

No thanks. Every single time you and Type-C claim nothing has been said here, you're asking me to quote it. I can quote more, but it is needless.

I've shown enough the past few pages in response to your challenge of me paraphrasing "them."

Clear up your position instead on the "bad look" stuff I asked... or refer to the post the last couple of pages where you already have. That's actually 49er-related material.

If they are trying to set a hardline at 45 mil then it is a bad look. There's people like Gruden and Joe Montana that get it. Obviously you don't

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:
You cant balance this out. Youre asking me to quote a general sentiment several posters share without quoting directly.... lol.

No thanks. Every single time you and Type-C claim nothing has been said here, you're asking me to quote it. I can quote more, but it is needless.

I've shown enough the past few pages in response to your challenge of me paraphrasing "them."

Clear up your position instead on the "bad look" stuff I asked... or refer to the post the last couple of pages where you already have. That's actually 49er-related material.

If they are trying to set a hardline at 45 mil then it is a bad look. There's people like Gruden and Joe Montana that get it. Obviously you don't

My question is about the WEIGHT.

What is the WEIGHT of this supposed "Bad Look" in relation to huge cap hits that the 49ers have to abide by for years???

You and genus are suggesting that the bad looks have more gravity than $10M or so per year of extra cap hits that negotiations could calm down.

That's fine, but now it's time to say WHY or HOW that is,...either as a reference or an example?

What competitive disadvantage is found here? Or can we admit that all 32 teams will at times "look bad",...and we're really talking about nothing?

Originally posted by random49er:

My question is about the WEIGHT.

What is the WEIGHT of this supposed "Bad Look" in relation to huge cap hits that the 49ers have to abide by for years???

You and genus are suggesting that the bad looks have more gravity than $10M or so per year of extra cap hits that negotiations could calm down.

That's fine, but now it's time to say WHY or HOW that is,...either as a reference or an example?

What competitive disadvantage is found here? Or can we admit that all 32 teams will at times "look bad",...and we're really talking about nothing?

You become a franchise with no direction, that also disrespects players that literally save their ass. Good luck using all your extra money to sign good players, they won't want to come here

You just pieced together the disrespect/insult stuff someone was looking for with disgrace. So thanks for that, because someone felt no one's expressed that sentiment here before, lol. You just said EXACTLY what's being claimed hasnt been said here collectively. Appreciated.

But still,...I disagree. Balance is necessary. Signing everyone to big contracts can even turn "good players" into average ones. You become attractive to guys maybe willing to retire but want one last good check,...like they gave with Brock, Aiyuk, et. al.

"Wow. They gave 'THAT' to Brock at this point? I'm going to the 49ers next year!" ....is NOT what I want here. They're not gonna want or expect to be nickel and dimed either if they come. It gets outta control,....and that's exactly what agents are for.

That kinda stuff is the opposite of a competitive advantage, IMO.

Originally posted by random49er:

Okay. I disagree. Balance is necessary. Signing everyone to big contracts can even turn "good players" into average ones. You become attractive to guys maybe willing to retire but want one last good check,...like they gave with Brock, Aiyuk, et. al.

That kinda stuff is the opposite of a competitive advantage, IMO.

55 mil aav is not a big contract for a 25 year old franchise qb though. The next round of young QBs like Stroud and Daniels will make it look like nothing. Just like when we signed Jimmy to the highest contract, it quickly became a bargain. Mahomes was the highest paid on average when he signed and it's not even top 10 at this point. That's how qb contracts work. 55 mil isn't even 20% of this years cap. It's not a lot lol

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by random49er:
Huh? I was told this wasn't said. Type-C prematurely jumped on the bandwagon. Just showing you all when it was said, and I'm sure it's more than that. That qualifies as a mic drop cause that's toast and we obviously have to switch to something else now. It's done.

You seem reluctant to disagree with him, btw. Do you believe as well that the 49ers' position of leverage means nothing? I have yet to see you disagree with that.

Sure,...you won't personally "commit" to any type of yes or no regarding "numbers",...but 99% your disagreement energy on this subject seems to go towards the posters that think he may not command $50M of cap space on a yearly basis just yet.

What you claimed was said, was not said. You combined multiple posts and created your own quote which is why I'm asking you to actually quote people if you insist on doing that vs paraphrasing things and leading to inaccuracies.

49ers have leverage. Brock has leverage. We're in normal negotiations right now and there has been 0 indication from either side that a deal is in danger of not getting done.

The comments you're talking about were not talking about standard we start low, you go high and we meet in the middle that happens with any deal being made whether you're signing a franchise QB or buying a car.

The reason I take more issue with posters who think Brock should settle for under $50 is because there is nothing to it being realistic. It's simply fans who act like they're paying him personally and because he's not elite he shouldn't get that type of deal and I'm sorry but "other teams making bad decisions" is not a good stand.

Purdy has accomplished more than Lawrence, Love, Tua and in some ways even Dak. What they got in their deals and the market in general matters.

I don't get into the numbers because I don't honestly care about the average numbers. They get fluffed and I care about cap hits per season and guaranteed money and options to get out of the deal if the unfortunate happens.

The "I won't pay him more than 45 per" type posts deserve the criticism. It's not how things work in the NFL.

I simply trust that Brock understands his own limitations and isn't looking to handicap the team. I've said that from day 1 and there has been no indication from either side that it will be an issue.

It's also why I said these extreme side discussions are pointless.

100%

I dont see a world where BPs deal is less than lawrence etc.

"I would only pay him xxxx" are not serious takes.

Seems like they don't like finalizing any significantly large contract until after the draft.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
55 mil aav is not a big contract for a 25 year old franchise qb though. The next round of young QBs like Stroud and Daniels will make it look like nothing. Just like when we signed Jimmy to the highest contract, it quickly became a bargain. Mahomes was the highest paid on average when he signed and it's not even top 10 at this point. That's how qb contracts work. 55 mil isn't even 20% of this years cap. It's not a lot lol

Brock is coming off a rookie contract, in fact he is still on one. Many of the QB compares are on third contract or more. There is no "players won't want to come here crap" if Brock doesn't reset the market.
2nd contract-shorter three year deal if possible and $45m to $50m a year. Third contract-more play time. You have 100% wiped away any questions, the skies the limit.
The QB market is BS.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by random49er:
Okay. I disagree. Balance is necessary. Signing everyone to big contracts can even turn "good players" into average ones. You become attractive to guys maybe willing to retire but want one last good check,...like they gave with Brock, Aiyuk, et. al.

That kinda stuff is the opposite of a competitive advantage, IMO.

55 mil aav is not a big contract for a 25 year old franchise qb though. The next round of young QBs like Stroud and Daniels will make it look like nothing. Just like when we signed Jimmy to the highest contract, it quickly became a bargain. Mahomes was the highest paid on average when he signed and it's not even top 10 at this point. That's how qb contracts work. 55 mil isn't even 20% of this years cap. It's not a lot lol

Mahomes is a frigging lengthy $200m plus deal. He will get his. Don't let those hidden numbers fool you. He probably makes half in much in endorsements as he does his salary with his other brothers in red. Guess why, because of the Chiefs. Let's not feel sorry for Mahomes as on paper not top ten paid. His lengthy quarter of a billion dollar contract says otherwise.

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

55 mil aav is not a big contract for a 25 year old franchise qb though. The next round of young QBs like Stroud and Daniels will make it look like nothing. Just like when we signed Jimmy to the highest contract, it quickly became a bargain. Mahomes was the highest paid on average when he signed and it's not even top 10 at this point. That's how qb contracts work. 55 mil isn't even 20% of this years cap. It's not a lot lol

Brock is coming off a rookie contract, in fact he is still on one. Many of the QB compares are on third contract or more. There is no "players won't want to come here crap" if Brock doesn't reset the market.
2nd contract-shorter three year deal if possible and $45m to $50m a year. Third contract-more play time. You have 100% wiped away any questions, the skies the limit.
The QB market is BS.

55 mil isn't resetting the market first off. And the qb market isn't BS lol

If players see this team as having no direction and think they don't respect the players that take care of them, all that extra cap space will be for not. You aren't signing a bunch of pro bowlers off of FA regardless. They have to draft their way out of the hole they dug themselves regardless of what happens with Brock