QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Is this the trend on him? He starts hot and gets a little worse as time goes on?.

But also magically gets better again if he jumps to a new league, team, or system?

Haha. That's what I'm asking. This last game was his worst game (using that term loosely). Is this an actual concern as a pattern seen in college?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Is this the trend on him? He starts hot and gets a little worse as time goes on?

Well his junior and senior years weren't as good as his sophomore year but I've heard a lot of that is multiple things, including bad decisions by Purdy.

i think he felt a lot more pressure to make magic happen there because of the talent level in comparison to top power 5 schools. He keeps mentioning in interviews how he just reminds himself that it isn't all in him and he has a lot of people he can rely on.

Missed an Office-Opp...sooo...

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
It was a bad pass, you used an obvious example everyone would agree on.

This is (or should be) the point of a stat like like TWPs. Fumbles that were clearly rolling around, available for the defense to pick up should be included.

Same for throws where DBs clearly had a 1st opportunity @ catching the ball.

I had to manually go find an easy example, as you said. Since doing so for each QB over 17 games every time there's an almost INT, then looking @ them all at once is kinda impractical,... the very point of the stat to begin with is to remove such burdens and represent it somewhere in numeric form.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

It is subjective, probably determined by kids making $20/hr to watch games and judge if a play was turnover-worthy.

More playing with words, as something being subjective doesn't make it any less real.


Can I definitively say that Tartt dropped a turnover-worthy pass here? Or is that too much for the forum to handle?

Words are words, bro.
Are you disagreeing with the assessment that it is a subjective stat?

You can say anythjng you want, and others can disagree or dismiss what you are saying. That seems to be where you have a problem with people.

Not talking about the words, just asking a question that you clearly want to dodge, because the answer is clear: Tartt dropped a turnover-worthy pass. I'm gonna give some fault to the QB, and that's whether the WR ran a wrong route or not.

If this is represented as a stat somehow, it is useful and gives me extra insight as to how he performed. Win-Win.

I mean I understand the strategy @ hand here where you avoid answering simple questions: dont name the colors because if forced, you'd have to admit that black is kinda black and white does resemble white.

It was a bad pass, you used an obvious example everyone would agree on. Thst doesn't mean that the stat isn't subjective.
The stat known as Turnover Worthy Plays doesn't add much value to evaluations or discussions IMO. It all evens out in the end.

1) Oh boy,... could anyone here imagine telling their HS coach after they threw 4 dropped INTs in a game to leave u alone during film study teaching because the dropped INTs are "subjective?" As if that's some kinda thing that means those weren't bad plays and u really have nothing related to them to get better at.

You see how foolish that sounds? Please stop. Almost INTs clearly can be great markers.

TWPs assist "almost-INTs" by trying to subjectively weed out passes that the WR should've made a legit play on. You putting it in a numbered form over the course of a season, so as to examine more data at once? Awesome,..even better.

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2) Yes, I used an obvious example of a pass to highlight the obvious help that compiling dropped or almost INT plays can oggrt. It assists people greatly in assessing how the QB performed in that particular game or season.

I mean It only shows up on the stat sheet as an incompletion.

And then there are even more extreme cases where the defender completely bobbles it away and the team scores a 60 yard TD. But how does that beautiful stat the QB attains during that score help reflect on his actual performance? Give me the TWP interpretation in cases like these -- they are a great, great help.

You don't like it because you don't want extra insight into how the game really went? Again,..that's perfectly fine. Leave it to those that do.

btw,...Still drubbing your opponent anyway after dropped INTs is a team accomplishment, not a QB evaluation. It's been said over and over here with reasons given why, but I know, you don't like it.

Asking me why I don't like it after I have told you over and over again is lame. No need to try to put words in my mouth with a dumb question like that.
It is a subjective non-statistic. One person's drop is another's TOWP on some plays. It is used to support a narrative and never paired with First Down Worthy Plays, Touchdown Wirthy Plays, Reception Worthy Plays etc.

There are plenty of real statistics to look at.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Is this the trend on him? He starts hot and gets a little worse as time goes on?

Well his junior and senior years weren't as good as his sophomore year but I've heard a lot of that is multiple things, including bad decisions by Purdy.

i think he felt a lot more pressure to make magic happen there because of the talent level in comparison to top power 5 schools. He keeps mentioning in interviews how he just reminds himself that it isn't all in him and he has a lot of people he can rely on.

Iowa State is not the 49ers version in college and it's like the reverse situation- Purdy had to play against multi 49ers- like schools in college. Like David, he faced many Goliaths already. I think it's a good thing and a good advantage for Purdy.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
his two biggest misses IMO were to a wide open Kroft that he threw to Aiyuk instead, and the back shoulder to Kittle that was too far out

the pick to kittle should never have been thrown, and the jennings incompletion he at least made a play on the ball

This is the kind of comment that is made because you are conditioned to watching Jimmy G type football. In no way was this a pass that shouldn't have been thrown. It was late, underthrown and should have been a TD.

Originally posted by random49er:
Missed an Office-Opp...sooo...

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
It was a bad pass, you used an obvious example everyone would agree on.

This is (or should be) the point of a stat like like TWPs. Fumbles that were clearly rolling around, available for the defense to pick up should be included.

Same for throws where DBs clearly had a 1st opportunity @ catching the ball.

I had to manually go find an easy example, as you said. Since doing so for each QB over 17 games every time there's an almost INT, then looking @ them all at once is kinda impractical,... the very point of the stat to begin with is to remove such burdens and represent it somewhere in numeric form.

Just to throw some gas on this… hahaha Geno Smith had 2-3 EASY EASY pics that we dropped - hit us right in the bread basket.
Should his pro bowl be stripped?

it happens all the time to a lot of quarterbacks. Of course we never want to see it - but all we can hope for us a quicker development and risk mitigation.

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Is this the trend on him? He starts hot and gets a little worse as time goes on?

Well his junior and senior years weren't as good as his sophomore year but I've heard a lot of that is multiple things, including bad decisions by Purdy.

i think he felt a lot more pressure to make magic happen there because of the talent level in comparison to top power 5 schools. He keeps mentioning in interviews how he just reminds himself that it isn't all in him and he has a lot of people he can rely on.

Iowa State is not the 49ers version in college and it's like the reverse situation- Purdy had to play against multi 49ers- like schools in college. Like David, he faced many Goliaths already. I think it's a good thing and a good advantage for Purdy.

Yeah, I agree. He had some solid talent at RB and WR - some are in the nfl, but the talent disparity after those guys was awful. It's why it's so impressive that he won as many games as he did, it's not an easy task to constantly pull off upsets.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah, I agree. He had some solid talent at RB and WR - some are in the nfl, but the talent disparity after those guys was awful. It's why it's so impressive that he won as many games as he did, it's not an easy task to constantly pull off upsets.

Talent wise they were usually overmatched. They've had some good RBs there, some decent TEs and WEs, the OL was often a liability and against much better teams, Purdy pretty much had to go nuts in order for the Cyclones to stay in the game.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by random49er:
Missed an Office-Opp...sooo...

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
It was a bad pass, you used an obvious example everyone would agree on.

This is (or should be) the point of a stat like like TWPs. Fumbles that were clearly rolling around, available for the defense to pick up should be included.

Same for throws where DBs clearly had a 1st opportunity @ catching the ball.

I had to manually go find an easy example, as you said. Since doing so for each QB over 17 games every time there's an almost INT, then looking @ them all at once is kinda impractical,... the very point of the stat to begin with is to remove such burdens and represent it somewhere in numeric form.

Just to throw some gas on this… hahaha Geno Smith had 2-3 EASY EASY pics that we dropped - hit us right in the bread basket.
Should his pro bowl be stripped?

it happens all the time to a lot of quarterbacks. Of course we never want to see it - but all we can hope for us a quicker development and risk mitigation.

the "it happens to all QBs" is not a good argument. ignoring a QB who makes a lot of bad passes is being deceitful on how the QB actually plays.

this TOWP stat can be useful to people who don't watch all the games

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
this TOWP stat can be useful to people who don't watch all the games

What does this stat tell you about Brock if you have not watched any games?

What does the stat tell you if his TOWP goes from 2.8% to 4.8% ?

Now

Would you change your mind, if I told you that the difference in the two stats was a 4th down deep throw 50/50 type ball that the coach called in place of a punt because of down/distance and weather? The defense not intercepting the ball would have been better for the team then intercepting it.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
this TOWP stat can be useful to people who don't watch all the games

What does this stat tell you about Brock if you have not watched any games?

What does the stat tell you if his TOWP goes from 2.8% to 4.8% ?

Now

Would you change your mind, if I told you that the difference in the two stats was a 4th down deep throw 50/50 type ball that the coach called in place of a punt because of down/distance and weather? The defense not intercepting the ball would have been better for the team then intercepting it.

depends.. you can tell anyone that QB X throws 2 or 3 passes that almost get intercepted a game and no one will be surprised that QB x was intercepted in a game

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
his two biggest misses IMO were to a wide open Kroft that he threw to Aiyuk instead, and the back shoulder to Kittle that was too far out

the pick to kittle should never have been thrown, and the jennings incompletion he at least made a play on the ball

This is the kind of comment that is made because you are conditioned to watching Jimmy G type football. In no way was this a pass that shouldn't have been thrown. It was late, underthrown and should have been a TD.

I agree with your analysis of the play but no need to throw shade at Jimmy like that lol.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
his two biggest misses IMO were to a wide open Kroft that he threw to Aiyuk instead, and the back shoulder to Kittle that was too far out

the pick to kittle should never have been thrown, and the jennings incompletion he at least made a play on the ball

This is the kind of comment that is made because you are conditioned to watching Jimmy G type football. In no way was this a pass that shouldn't have been thrown. It was late, underthrown and should have been a TD.

kittle needed to go vertical, the play was designed to flatten out, leaving the db to drift back easily, therefore it shouldnt have been thrown.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Looks like a missed opportunity for a bigger play to me.

I agree with all of them. Also, watch CMC on this one.

Miss No. 6. pic.twitter.com/RH9eJJOPQ7

— Grant Cohn (@grantcohn) January 3, 2023

Woof. Sucky but he's a rookie and that's gonna happen.

lol a 7th round rookie QB misses a few throws in his 5th game and fans feel the need to highlight it. Literally the highest passer rating in the NFL since he took over. People have too much time on their hands.

Taking about easy misses is part of evaluating. I'm not saying he blows or anything. I SAID he's a rookie. Don't be so emotional about it.