QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Opening play of second quarter, Brock Purdy has Jauan Jennings open, but he checks it down to Christian McCaffrey for a gain of 6. #49ers pic.twitter.com/33c1CZ2b7m

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) January 3, 2023

I initially agreed with this, but upon further review, that rusher faked a rush and then dropped into the passing lane. Also that CB underneath Jennings was lurking, like a bait.

Want to know what some of the smarter guys on the Zone think of this Purdy missed

Not sure I am included as "smarter guys" but I agree with you. That defender was in the passing lane. Could he have layered it over that defender? Ehhh it'd be close, too close to try in the 1st quarter imo.

Originally posted by boast:
hahahaha you aligned me with and claimed i supported some random poster's take about Trey's injury for posting a comment that didnt quote anyone and was about Jimmy G just because that poster made the same claim earlier.

this list of posters

• Waterbear
• random49er
• NYniners85
• 49erRing

all blame other people for what they engage in daily. classic projection.

If I'm blaming someone, I can assure you it's in defense.

99% of the time I'm just here to discuss the team and points others have made, instead of the tendencies of other posters and how much they're @ fault.

e.g.,....I gave you some football discussion to reply to regarding TW INTs (i.e.,....throws that EVERYONE HERE would agree SHOULD HAVE resulted in an INT).

Since you are a dissenter of almost-plays in football (while coaches analyze every single rep, even penalties and call-backs),....it'd sure be cool if you replied to what I said above so we can put the subject to bed.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by boast:
thanks for proving i didnt say "luck is a stat" only that luck is definitely a "FACTOR" in the NFL

you should chill on making up other poster's comments to argue against.

if you dont understand the definition of "factor", it means influence

LUCK definitely has INFLUENCE over NFL games.

Hahaha that's a load of crap…the whole article is about "luck" and applying it quantifiably. So you either didn't read the article are you can't own up to it. Which is it?

i said what i said. LUCK IS A FACTOR IN THE NFL. luck definitely influences the outcome of games.

how that page decided to put it in terms is beside the point.

Dude you provided an article that was applying luck as quantifiable. As in using data to show luck has worth…THEN you said you can't talk about almost INTs or talk about turn over worthy plays. SO you either didn't read the article you used to make whatever point you were trying to get across OR you're being extremely hypocritical, for no good god damn reason. You chose.

This is what Boast does. He routinely takes other posters comments out of context, on purpose, to strengthen whatever weak argument he thinks he has, then accuses you of doing exactly what he's already/currently doing. He wants others to acknowledge the nuance of his statement (Luck being a stat vs "a factor"), but when he criticizes others, he removes all context and nuance available to essentially dumb down other people's arguments. The hypocrisy is off the charts and it's sad really, a good faith argument is simply impossible with him.

hahahaha you aligned me with and claimed i supported some random poster's take about Trey's injury for posting a comment that didnt quote anyone and was about Jimmy G just because that poster made the same claim earlier.

this list of posters

• Waterbear
• random49er
• NYniners85
• 49erRing

all blame other people for what they engage in daily. classic projection.

I said I'm not surprised you defended him, which I further explained was due to the fact you admitted you don't defend Trey the same way you defend Jimmy. I DID NOT SAY that you had those same feelings towards Trey. Which you claimed I did. Those are not the same statements.

I can prove that too. Just let me know if you want to be exposed even more.

how is posting something that is true about Jimmy defending a poster's other take about Trey's injury? i didnt even quote anyone.

please explain the logic that i was defending his unrelated take. that just proves you seemingly get butt hurt about posts and feel the need to project that on unrelated posters.

expose it.

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Let's let the miracle that is Brock unite us all as 49er fans. We are witness to a modern day miracle at the QB position.

Amen, bro! We found an absolute gem of a QB in the 7th round and have an awesome and cheap QB room for the next 4 seasons. How/why anyone is complaining is so strange to me. I don't mind discussion about certain throws or plays, what could/should have been. But pages and pages of negativity from the same group of small posters is confusing. To each his own I guess.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
This is what Boast does. He routinely takes other posters comments out of context, on purpose, to strengthen whatever weak argument he thinks he has, then accuses you of doing exactly what he's already/currently doing. He wants others to acknowledge the nuance of his statement (Luck being a stat vs "a factor"), but when he criticizes others, he removes all context and nuance available to essentially dumb down other people's arguments. The hypocrisy is off the charts and it's sad really, a good faith argument is simply impossible with him.

Oh I see it…I'm glad I'm not the only one that does

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Opening play of second quarter, Brock Purdy has Jauan Jennings open, but he checks it down to Christian McCaffrey for a gain of 6. #49ers pic.twitter.com/33c1CZ2b7m

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) January 3, 2023

I initially agreed with this, but upon further review, that rusher faked a rush and then dropped into the passing lane. Also that CB underneath Jennings was lurking, like a bait.

Want to know what some of the smarter guys on the Zone think of this Purdy missed

Not sure I am included as "smarter guys" but I agree with you. That defender was in the passing lane. Could he have layered it over that defender? Ehhh it'd be close, too close to try in the 1st quarter imo.

Looks like they showed cover 3 then dropped into a cover 2. Maybe Purdy just decided to not make a difficult throw over the CB and under the cover 2 safety.

Originally posted by boast:
how is posting something that is true about Jimmy defending a poster's other take about Trey's injury? i didnt even quote anyone.

please explain the logic that i was defending his unrelated take. that just proves you seemingly get butt hurt about posts and feel the need to project that on unrelated posters.

hey boast, not blaming you for completely skipping this after commenting on it previously. I'll totally take the fall for you missing it, but can you give a football-related response to this one?

Take a 2 QBs and add up TO's to TWP's. To take the OL out of it as much as possible, filter out fumbles, TW fumbles, and only examine INTs. # of throws even, can we reason that the QB that averages 0.5 per game over the course of a season is taking much better care of the ball while passing than the QB averaging 3.5 per game?

Not talking about balls that WRs were in position to make a play on, obviously. So what you think? Dont be afraid of admitting the obvious -- which is yes -- thereby acknowledging a usable scenario for the TWP stat.

Originally posted by boast:
hahahaha you aligned me with and claimed i supported some random poster's take about Trey's injury for posting a comment that didnt quote anyone and was about Jimmy G just because that poster made the same claim earlier.

this list of posters

• Waterbear
• random49er
• NYniners85
• 49erRing

all blame other people for what they engage in daily. classic projection.

Lol oh okay. I just call out people for being hypocritical and running around pushing narratives. How can anyone in here have decent convos and healthy debates with that s**t going on constantly?

FWIW I've had debates with all these guys at one point…it's never about narrative pushing nonsense end of the day. Healthy banter and we all end up learning a little more about whatever it is.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Amen, bro! We found an absolute gem of a QB in the 7th round and have an awesome and cheap QB room for the next 4 seasons. How/why anyone is complaining is so strange to me. I don't mind discussion about certain throws or plays, what could/should have been. But pages and pages of negativity from the same group of small posters is confusing. To each his own I guess.

Don't go into the Trey thread then.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Opening play of second quarter, Brock Purdy has Jauan Jennings open, but he checks it down to Christian McCaffrey for a gain of 6. #49ers pic.twitter.com/33c1CZ2b7m

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) January 3, 2023

I initially agreed with this, but upon further review, that rusher faked a rush and then dropped into the passing lane. Also that CB underneath Jennings was lurking, like a bait.

Want to know what some of the smarter guys on the Zone think of this Purdy missed

Not sure I am included as "smarter guys" but I agree with you. That defender was in the passing lane. Could he have layered it over that defender? Ehhh it'd be close, too close to try in the 1st quarter imo.

Looks like they showed cover 3 then dropped into a cover 2. Maybe Purdy just decided to not make a difficult throw over the CB and under the cover 2 safety.

Man that's tricky. They faked rotating to Cover3, then rotated to Cover2 (Tampa2). DCs throwing disguises at the rookie. When in doubt, check it down to CMC - not a bad backup plan. Also, Jennings isn't the one that's open, Aiyuk is. This playcall was actually designed to beat Cover2 as both Jennings and Aiyuk run a Swirl route.

edit: the pass was completed to Kittle, not CMC

Originally posted by random49er:
I think the problem lies in not establishing common sense (with a point, or argument) 1st.

Take a 2 QBs and add up TO's to TWP's. To take the OL out of it as much as possible, filter out fumbles, TW fumbles, and only examine INTs.

Can we reason that the QB that averages 0.5 per game over the course of a season is taking much better care of the ball while passing than the QB averaging 3.5 per game?

Would boast or anyone here really argue against common sense like this? Lord I'd hope not,....so then even he'd have to reluctantly agree that TWP's can tangibly be of use.

A constant theme here IMO is people not wanting to attach the numbers to a point, a question, or an argument.

They expect to leave #'s there to make the argument themselves, and most of them aren't going to useful with no context.

Using what you bolded - yes, that is a logical assumption.

The only thing I would argue is that you can't use that as a blanket statement to say one QB is better (not saying you are). I guarantee Alex smiths TWP was ridiculously low but he also played extremely conservative - a play style I don't like or support (that's how I personally feel about it).

I'll take a higher TWP or whatever it's called if the QB is responsible with those decisions and makes bigger plays than bad plays - such as Mahommes, Purdy (so far), Herbert etc.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Opening play of second quarter, Brock Purdy has Jauan Jennings open, but he checks it down to Christian McCaffrey for a gain of 6. #49ers pic.twitter.com/33c1CZ2b7m

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) January 3, 2023

I initially agreed with this, but upon further review, that rusher faked a rush and then dropped into the passing lane. Also that CB underneath Jennings was lurking, like a bait.

Want to know what some of the smarter guys on the Zone think of this Purdy missed

Not sure I am included as "smarter guys" but I agree with you. That defender was in the passing lane. Could he have layered it over that defender? Ehhh it'd be close, too close to try in the 1st quarter imo.

Looks like they showed cover 3 then dropped into a cover 2. Maybe Purdy just decided to not make a difficult throw over the CB and under the cover 2 safety.

Man that's tricky. They faked rotating to Cover3, then rotated to Cover2. DCs throwing disguises at the rookie. When in doubt, check it down to CMC - not a bad backup plan.

Agreed. CMC is a walking first down. Been amazing to watch.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Using what you bolded - yes, that is a logical assumption.

The only thing I would argue is that you can't use that as a blanket statement to say one QB is better (not saying you are). I guarantee Alex smiths TWP was ridiculously low but he also played extremely conservative - a play style I don't like or support (that's how I personally feel about it).

I'll take a higher TWP or whatever it's called if the QB is responsible with those decisions and makes bigger plays than bad plays - such as Mahommes, Purdy (so far), Herbert etc.

No, you certainly can't claim that 1 QB is playing better than the other because of it.

But if we'd both argued about the 2 QBs before and pretty much called them even, then that could easily be the deciding factor.

Not much is definitive in football when examining stats alone and again, that's a function of the complexity of outcomes while playing the game. It's a big part of why we tune in every weekend.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Opening play of second quarter, Brock Purdy has Jauan Jennings open, but he checks it down to Christian McCaffrey for a gain of 6. #49ers pic.twitter.com/33c1CZ2b7m

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) January 3, 2023

I initially agreed with this, but upon further review, that rusher faked a rush and then dropped into the passing lane. Also that CB underneath Jennings was lurking, like a bait.

Want to know what some of the smarter guys on the Zone think of this Purdy missed

Not sure I am included as "smarter guys" but I agree with you. That defender was in the passing lane. Could he have layered it over that defender? Ehhh it'd be close, too close to try in the 1st quarter imo.

Looks like they showed cover 3 then dropped into a cover 2. Maybe Purdy just decided to not make a difficult throw over the CB and under the cover 2 safety.

Man that's tricky. They faked rotating to Cover3, then rotated to Cover2. DCs throwing disguises at the rookie. When in doubt, check it down to CMC - not a bad backup plan.

Cannot knock a 6 yard gain on 2nd and 12. The other option is a lower percentage play and could have resulted in 3rd and 12 or worse.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Opening play of second quarter, Brock Purdy has Jauan Jennings open, but he checks it down to Christian McCaffrey for a gain of 6. #49ers pic.twitter.com/33c1CZ2b7m

— Jack Hammer (@JackHammer_NFL) January 3, 2023

I initially agreed with this, but upon further review, that rusher faked a rush and then dropped into the passing lane. Also that CB underneath Jennings was lurking, like a bait.

Want to know what some of the smarter guys on the Zone think of this Purdy missed

Not sure I am included as "smarter guys" but I agree with you. That defender was in the passing lane. Could he have layered it over that defender? Ehhh it'd be close, too close to try in the 1st quarter imo.

Looks like they showed cover 3 then dropped into a cover 2. Maybe Purdy just decided to not make a difficult throw over the CB and under the cover 2 safety.

Man that's tricky. They faked rotating to Cover3, then rotated to Cover2. DCs throwing disguises at the rookie. When in doubt, check it down to CMC - not a bad backup plan.

Cannot knock a 6 yard gain on 2nd and 12. The other option is a lower percentage play and could have resulted in 3rd and 12 or worse.

The tweeter said it was completed to CMC, it was actually Kittle. Doesn't change anything, checking it down to Kittle on 2nd and 12 is fine.