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Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Do you believe that the QB should only be evaluated based on the result of the play?

do you agree "almost INTs" can be the result of the receiver making a mistake?

Sure, but so can actual interceptions. TWPs are likely to be more favorable to the QB, because in cases like that someone can make a reasonable assessment that the WR fell down or let it bounce off his hands and thus not count it as a TWP by the QB. It's not perfect because it's not always easy to identify fault, but it's more fair than just assuming every interception is 100% on the QB.

ehhh....that "almost INT" stat recorder would need to know the details of the play and the routes. how does PFF know if the receiver was supposed to cut right instead of left?
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Do you believe that the QB should only be evaluated based on the result of the play?

do you agree "almost INTs" can be the result of the receiver making a mistake?

Sure, but so can actual interceptions. TWPs are likely to be more favorable to the QB, because in cases like that someone can make a reasonable assessment that the WR fell down or let it bounce off his hands and thus not count it as a TWP by the QB. It's not perfect because it's not always easy to identify fault, but it's more fair than just assuming every interception is 100% on the QB.

ehhh....that "almost INT" stat recorder would need to know the details of the play and the routes. how does PFF know if the receiver was supposed to cut right instead of left?

Exactly. But the QB is credited with the "objective" INT regardless of who was at fault.
[ Edited by YACBros85 on Jan 3, 2023 at 1:28 PM ]
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Sorry it's not. It's just a stupid 'stat' made up to give people like Nina Kimes (is that her name?) something to talk about. Until it reaches the point where they become actual turnovers they have absolutely no more impact on a game than an incomplete pass would.

You can try and argue it anyway you want in the realm of if, and, or maybe but at the end of the day it's like saying, well today might be Wednesday, but it's not. It's Tuesday and no amount of phony projections about how it might really be Wednesday changes the basic fact of the thing.

The point of TWP% is to normalize a dataset that is highly variable based on numerous outside factors--whether or not a specific pass is actually intercepted is dependent on the defender's hands and concentration, the receiver breaking up the play, weather, "luck." We can't accurately judge the QB solely on the outcome because the outcome was out of his control; however, by normalizing TWP we get a clearer picture of the QB's decision making based on how consistently he is putting the ball in harm's way.

And yes, it's subjective--all statistics are even simply because we choose (consciously or not) which statistics to focus on. And yes, every completion, incompletion, sack, turnover, whether attributed to the QB in the box score or not, is impacted by many factors. The key question we have to ask ourselves is what are we measuring and why? The primary goal of football is not to generate statistics but to win games. In service to that we isolate statistics and try to correlate those stats with wins, so that we might better understand how to win. Which stats we choose to correlate should be flexible depending on what correlations we can identify.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Do you believe that the QB should only be evaluated based on the result of the play?

do you agree "almost INTs" can be the result of the receiver making a mistake?

Sure, but so can actual interceptions. TWPs are likely to be more favorable to the QB, because in cases like that someone can make a reasonable assessment that the WR fell down or let it bounce off his hands and thus not count it as a TWP by the QB. It's not perfect because it's not always easy to identify fault, but it's more fair than just assuming every interception is 100% on the QB.

ehhh....that "almost INT" stat recorder would need to know the details of the play and the routes. how does PFF know if the receiver was supposed to cut right instead of left?

Exactly. But the QB is credited with the "objective" INT regardless of who was at fault.

That Interception in the Commanders game was DEFINITLY not on the QB. You could say maybe it wasn't an easy pass to catch, but the receiver bouncing the ball up in the air for the defenders is completely on him.
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Do you believe that the QB should only be evaluated based on the result of the play?

do you agree "almost INTs" can be the result of the receiver making a mistake?

Sure, but so can actual interceptions. TWPs are likely to be more favorable to the QB, because in cases like that someone can make a reasonable assessment that the WR fell down or let it bounce off his hands and thus not count it as a TWP by the QB. It's not perfect because it's not always easy to identify fault, but it's more fair than just assuming every interception is 100% on the QB.

ehhh....that "almost INT" stat recorder would need to know the details of the play and the routes. how does PFF know if the receiver was supposed to cut right instead of left?

Exactly. But the QB is credited with the "objective" INT regardless of who was at fault.

sure like Jennings' tip should not have been attributed to Purdy. but the INT did happen.

i just have issue with how to determine something that didnt happen.
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by boast:
do you agree "almost INTs" can be the result of the receiver making a mistake?

Do you agree not all TD passes are because of the QB.

not anywhere near the same clip that "almost INTs" can be attributed to receivers making the mistake

So throwing inaccurate balls, misreading coverages and throwing into double coverage isn't a bad thing? Go look up what constitutes aTWP…also you're the one who told me that "luck" is actually a stat. Remember that one lol. I do.
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Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Do you believe that the QB should only be evaluated based on the result of the play?

do you agree "almost INTs" can be the result of the receiver making a mistake?

Sure, but so can actual interceptions. TWPs are likely to be more favorable to the QB, because in cases like that someone can make a reasonable assessment that the WR fell down or let it bounce off his hands and thus not count it as a TWP by the QB. It's not perfect because it's not always easy to identify fault, but it's more fair than just assuming every interception is 100% on the QB.

ehhh....that "almost INT" stat recorder would need to know the details of the play and the routes. how does PFF know if the receiver was supposed to cut right instead of left?

Exactly. But the QB is credited with the "objective" INT regardless of who was at fault.

sure like Jennings' tip should not have been attributed to Purdy. but the INT did happen.

i just have issue with how to determine something that didnt happen.

ayyyy boast. Welcome, and have a seat! We all sit on the carpet in the Romper Room. Criss cross apple sauce.
Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Do you believe that the QB should only be evaluated based on the result of the play?

do you agree "almost INTs" can be the result of the receiver making a mistake?

Sure, but so can actual interceptions. TWPs are likely to be more favorable to the QB, because in cases like that someone can make a reasonable assessment that the WR fell down or let it bounce off his hands and thus not count it as a TWP by the QB. It's not perfect because it's not always easy to identify fault, but it's more fair than just assuming every interception is 100% on the QB.

ehhh....that "almost INT" stat recorder would need to know the details of the play and the routes. how does PFF know if the receiver was supposed to cut right instead of left?

Exactly. But the QB is credited with the "objective" INT regardless of who was at fault.

That Interception in the Commanders game was DEFINITLY not on the QB. You could say maybe it wasn't an easy pass to catch, but the receiver bouncing the ball up in the air for the defenders is completely on him.

I agree.
Originally posted by boast:
sure like Jennings' tip should not have been attributed to Purdy. but the INT did happen.

i just have issue with how to determine something that didnt happen.

And that wouldn't be called a turn over worthy pass…you have an issue determining something that didn't happen and also gave me an article on how "luck" is a stat
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Subjectively, Brock Purdy is playing great football. Objectively, Brock Purdy is playing great football.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by boast:
do you agree "almost INTs" can be the result of the receiver making a mistake?

Do you agree not all TD passes are because of the QB.

not anywhere near the same clip that "almost INTs" can be attributed to receivers making the mistake

So throwing inaccurate balls, misreading coverages and throwing into double coverage isn't a bad thing? Go look up what constitutes aTWP…also you're the one who told me that "luck" is actually a stat. Remember that one lol. I do.

lol you made up comment i didnt make to argue against it. why do you and couple of others always do this?

i never claimed luck was a stat. please link.
[ Edited by boast on Jan 3, 2023 at 1:42 PM ]
Originally posted by thl408:
ayyyy boast. Welcome, and have a seat! We all sit on the carpet in the Romper Room. Criss cross apple sauce.

Lol and he told me luck was a stat a couple weeks ago….that INT would not have been graded as a TWP. People should understand what qualifies for that stat before calling it bad data.
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Do you believe that the QB should only be evaluated based on the result of the play?

do you agree "almost INTs" can be the result of the receiver making a mistake?

Sure, but so can actual interceptions. TWPs are likely to be more favorable to the QB, because in cases like that someone can make a reasonable assessment that the WR fell down or let it bounce off his hands and thus not count it as a TWP by the QB. It's not perfect because it's not always easy to identify fault, but it's more fair than just assuming every interception is 100% on the QB.

ehhh....that "almost INT" stat recorder would need to know the details of the play and the routes. how does PFF know if the receiver was supposed to cut right instead of left?

Exactly. But the QB is credited with the "objective" INT regardless of who was at fault.

sure like Jennings' tip should not have been attributed to Purdy. but the INT did happen.

i just have issue with how to determine something that didnt happen.

I gave an example a page back on a play that counted but didn't actually happen.
Originally posted by boast:
lol you made up comment i didnt make to argue against it. you do you and couple of others always do this?

People are talking about turn over worth plays…not INTs that happened because the ball bounced off a WRs hands…according to you luck is actual data. Yet here we are.
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