QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:
Correct. The precedent is there. We're in here acting like Brock had a horrible year and that's why he's not deserving of a big contract meanwhile two guys who haven't done as much who got big deals and nobody batted an eye at them getting that money.

2 guys that were 1st round picks and continued investments, as teams love to sell tickets and bring in viewers and revenue. One of the 2 was even the 1st overall pick.

Cool so you're confirming that if Brock was a 1st round pick putting up the same exact results there wouldn't be any concerns about paying him?

Teams sell a lot more tickets when they're winning games btw.

Originally posted by genus49:
Cool so you're confirming that if Brock was a 1st round pick putting up the same exact results there wouldn't be any concerns about paying him?

Teams sell a lot more tickets when they're winning games btw.

He wasn't a 1st round pick for actual reasons though. Was he 'missed' by teams around the league? Of course. He's clearly better than a 7th rounder. But the qualities that make up a typical 1st round pick at QB also factor into contract extensions. Jordan Love doesn't have to have the same level of success to have a better market than Purdy because he's shown the capability to be successful and he has more talent to grow.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Cool so you're confirming that if Brock was a 1st round pick putting up the same exact results there wouldn't be any concerns about paying him?

Teams sell a lot more tickets when they're winning games btw.

He wasn't a 1st round pick for actual reasons though. Was he 'missed' by teams around the league? Of course. He's clearly better than a 7th rounder. But the qualities that make up a typical 1st round pick at QB also factor into contract extensions. Jordan Love doesn't have to have the same level of success to have a better market than Purdy because he's shown the capability to be successful and he has more talent to grow.

And yet Jordan Love after being propped up as the next great QB(like we didn't hear this with Kap) and how did he look this season? I don't hear too many people saying he regressed or that contract was a mistake.

Yes Brock was a 7th round pick for a reason but our best QB was a 3rd round pick. Brady was a 6th round pick. Do we believe a couple of inches of height make that much of a difference? Brock's arm is limited…but has it ever actually limited our offense? I've asked this a few times in this thread and I don't recall anyone actually giving me an example when Brock's lack of arm strength hurt us in a big way.

I'll take Brock's anticipation and poise over Love's physical talent and his fadeaway throws into coverage.

Also like I said we don't do this for any other position. Nobody cares that Crosby was a 4th round pick, Kittle a 5th rounder, Sherman a 5th rounder(iirc)

Once they show themselves to be ballers nobody cares but with QBs that status is still brought up time and time again.

Originally posted by genus49:
And yet Jordan Love after being propped up as the next great QB(like we didn't hear this with Kap) and how did he look this season? I don't hear too many people saying he regressed or that contract was a mistake.

Yes Brock was a 7th round pick for a reason but our best QB was a 3rd round pick. Brady was a 6th round pick. Do we believe a couple of inches of height make that much of a difference? Brock's arm is limited…but has it ever actually limited our offense? I've asked this a few times in this thread and I don't recall anyone actually giving me an example when Brock's lack of arm strength hurt us in a big way.

I'll take Brock's anticipation and poise over Love's physical talent and his fadeaway throws into coverage.

Also like I said we don't do this for any other position. Nobody cares that Crosby was a 4th round pick, Kittle a 5th rounder, Sherman a 5th rounder(iirc)

Once they show themselves to be ballers nobody cares but with QBs that status is still brought up time and time again.

I think you're missing the point with the Love comparison. You can make a legitimate argument that Brock has been better than Love in every way: film review, production, statistical analysis, team success. If both of them hit the open market I don't think there's any question Love would generate more interest around the league.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
And yet Jordan Love after being propped up as the next great QB(like we didn't hear this with Kap) and how did he look this season? I don't hear too many people saying he regressed or that contract was a mistake.

Yes Brock was a 7th round pick for a reason but our best QB was a 3rd round pick. Brady was a 6th round pick. Do we believe a couple of inches of height make that much of a difference? Brock's arm is limited…but has it ever actually limited our offense? I've asked this a few times in this thread and I don't recall anyone actually giving me an example when Brock's lack of arm strength hurt us in a big way.

I'll take Brock's anticipation and poise over Love's physical talent and his fadeaway throws into coverage.

Also like I said we don't do this for any other position. Nobody cares that Crosby was a 4th round pick, Kittle a 5th rounder, Sherman a 5th rounder(iirc)

Once they show themselves to be ballers nobody cares but with QBs that status is still brought up time and time again.

I think you're missing the point with the Love comparison. You can make a legitimate argument that Brock has been better than Love in every way: film review, production, statistical analysis, team success. If both of them hit the open market I don't think there's any question Love would generate more interest around the league.

First of all that's a hypothetical tho I don't know if I'd disagree. It's no different than the draft where traits sometimes top production.

Thing is in the NFL production is a lot more important and Brock may be more scheme specific…thing is our scheme is what suits him best. His anticipation is top notch and he can still make plays with his legs and he never looked rattled in the playoffs and his decision making in those games has been much better than Love's. All it takes is one GM/HC to value that production more.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
Cool so you're confirming that if Brock was a 1st round pick putting up the same exact results there wouldn't be any concerns about paying him?

Teams sell a lot more tickets when they're winning games btw.

He wasn't a 1st round pick for actual reasons though. Was he 'missed' by teams around the league? Of course. He's clearly better than a 7th rounder. But the qualities that make up a typical 1st round pick at QB also factor into contract extensions. Jordan Love doesn't have to have the same level of success to have a better market than Purdy because he's shown the capability to be successful and he has more talent to grow.

And yet Jordan Love after being propped up as the next great QB(like we didn't hear this with Kap) and how did he look this season? I don't hear too many people saying he regressed or that contract was a mistake.

Yes Brock was a 7th round pick for a reason but our best QB was a 3rd round pick. Brady was a 6th round pick. Do we believe a couple of inches of height make that much of a difference? Brock's arm is limited…but has it ever actually limited our offense? I've asked this a few times in this thread and I don't recall anyone actually giving me an example when Brock's lack of arm strength hurt us in a big way.

I'll take Brock's anticipation and poise over Love's physical talent and his fadeaway throws into coverage.

Also like I said we don't do this for any other position. Nobody cares that Crosby was a 4th round pick, Kittle a 5th rounder, Sherman a 5th rounder(iirc)

Once they show themselves to be ballers nobody cares but with QBs that status is still brought up time and time again.

I see fans complaining all the time about taking a player too high. Nobody is saying Brock hasn't performed beyond what you woud expect from a 7th round pick. In ths year's draft he would be at least a 2nd round pick based on hs college performance.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
I agree with that. He's not going to get some super huge deal this time around probably low 50's. If he plays best from here on out his next deal will be huge. Last year we were in the superbowl window which is why Ayuik reamed us and he could. This year we are re homing so won't have the same urgency. We will wait him out to avoid another huge deal only to fall flat.

I'll bet the generic per year number is under 50 if a deal gets done. Ultimately guarantees and outs are probably more important.

I do think there's a chance a deal doesn't get done, but I think Brock eventually will come down if necessary.

Yeah he is different than the few holdouts we had. He'll look more at the guarantees and go with the number around 50's with the guaranteed 90K. He wants to play well next year.

Originally posted by genus49:
First of all that's a hypothetical tho I don't know if I'd disagree. It's no different than the draft where traits sometimes top production.

Thing is in the NFL production is a lot more important and Brock may be more scheme specific…thing is our scheme is what suits him best. His anticipation is top notch and he can still make plays with his legs and he never looked rattled in the playoffs and his decision making in those games has been much better than Love's. All it takes is one GM/HC to value that production more.

I think there are questions about Brock that are yet to be answered, obviously in the context of our scheme. He's shown he's capable of dicing up zones and his arm strength isn't a concern there because he's throwing to open areas of the field and he has elite anticipation. But man coverage is potentially a different story. Has to hold the ball longer, isn't able to necessarily use anticipation as a means to make up for lack of arm strength, etc. Probably not a concern for short quick breaking routes, or routes out of the backfield.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
First of all that's a hypothetical tho I don't know if I'd disagree. It's no different than the draft where traits sometimes top production.

Thing is in the NFL production is a lot more important and Brock may be more scheme specific…thing is our scheme is what suits him best. His anticipation is top notch and he can still make plays with his legs and he never looked rattled in the playoffs and his decision making in those games has been much better than Love's. All it takes is one GM/HC to value that production more.

I think there are questions about Brock that are yet to be answered, obviously in the context of our scheme. He's shown he's capable of dicing up zones and his arm strength isn't a concern there because he's throwing to open areas of the field and he has elite anticipation. But man coverage is potentially a different story. Has to hold the ball longer, isn't able to necessarily use anticipation as a means to make up for lack of arm strength, etc. Probably not a concern for short quick breaking routes, or routes out of the backfield.

Man coverage issues are not QB related. They're receivers related. There is a reason why Brock's numbers vs man were so much better when throwing to Kittle and JJ because both guys play well vs man coverage but they're also not like Aiyuk who not only can beat man, he can do it with big separation. George and JJ are more contested catch types. And when the separation is smaller obviously things get a little more difficult and more of those passes get broken up vs if you have guys who can get open to a level where they're WAO.

Brock's arm is a limitation for sure but I believe he knows his arm much better than Jimmy did and it's rare that Brock gets us in trouble because he doesn't have enough juice on his throws and the way our offense works if he and everyone else are doing their job he won't need to attempt the superhero level plays/throws which his arm can't handle.

Originally posted by genus49:
Man coverage issues are not QB related. They're receivers related. There is a reason why Brock's numbers vs man were so much better when throwing to Kittle and JJ because both guys play well vs man coverage but they're also not like Aiyuk who not only can beat man, he can do it with big separation. George and JJ are more contested catch types. And when the separation is smaller obviously things get a little more difficult and more of those passes get broken up vs if you have guys who can get open to a level where they're WAO.

Brock's arm is a limitation for sure but I believe he knows his arm much better than Jimmy did and it's rare that Brock gets us in trouble because he doesn't have enough juice on his throws and the way our offense works if he and everyone else are doing their job he won't need to attempt the superhero level plays/throws which his arm can't handle.

I definitely think they can be when you are right on the fringe of acceptable arm strength like Brock is. That isn't to say he can't be successful on some level, but we're talking about paying and committing to a guy as the most critical piece of our team going forward.

It's tough to make a determination one way or another after a year with so many other factors other than Brock's individual play, like injuries and scheme issues.

We've gone over this before but brocks lack of arm (and rest assured he has a bottom 5 arm out of NFL starters) means he can't make as many footwork/anticipation errors as other QBs. Everything has to be perfect.

Aikman said it best in one of our games: yeah 49ers are moving the ball, but everything looks really difficult and the throws are contested every time. That's not only on Brock but his physical arm limitations make things more difficult

I can't blindly D ride Brock after this last season when we didn't have the best roster in the NFL and he couldn't carry the team like a $60M QB is expected to do

Brock struggled at times very noticeably when things weren't ideal and he did show limitations

Saquon Barkley was only as good as he was this year because Jalen Hurts shared the same backfield as he did. Same for Derrick Henry with LMJ. Having a freakish athletic ability forced those defenses to react to who they thought could have the ball and hurt them and both backs had HUGE years and led the NFL in rushing

We don't have that in Brock not at that level. Brock being shorter in stature got his passes batted down a good percent of his throwing attempts and Brock ain't getting no taller

In between the ears Brock is elite but that only got us to 6-11 this year. He is good but he ain't elite and we shouldn't t dare pay him like it either

Originally posted by frenchmov:
We've gone over this before but brocks lack of arm (and rest assured he has a bottom 5 arm out of NFL starters) means he can't make as many footwork/anticipation errors as other QBs. Everything has to be perfect.

Aikman said it best in one of our games: yeah 49ers are moving the ball, but everything looks really difficult and the throws are contested every time. That's not only on Brock but his physical arm limitations make things more difficult

Or maybe our wrs were among THE WORST in the NFL at gaining separation. Purdy is easily a top 7-10 qb (1st in QBR in 2023 & 7th in 2024 with bad pass pro). But let's focus on arm strength Love is much worse of a passer and regressed, Stroud too. Lawrence, Goff and these other qbs don't have his accuracy or anticipation but the point is, Purdy deserves top 10 money. 50 or so mil per year is completely fair.

I like Brock a lot, just hope we don't have buyers remorse like we're having with a lot of others we recently overpaid for.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

I can't blindly D ride Brock after this last season when we didn't have the best roster in the NFL and he couldn't carry the team like a $60M QB is expected to do

Brock struggled at times very noticeably when things weren't ideal and he did show limitations

Saquon Barkley was only as good as he was this year because Jalen Hurts shared the same backfield as he did. Same for Derrick Henry with LMJ. Having a freakish athletic ability forced those defenses to react to who they thought could have the ball and hurt them and both backs had HUGE years and led the NFL in rushing

We don't have that in Brock not at that level. Brock being shorter in stature got his passes batted down a good percent of his throwing attempts and Brock ain't getting no taller

In between the ears Brock is elite but that only got us to 6-11 this year. He is good but he ain't elite and we shouldn't t dare pay him like it either

Barkley had the best Oline. If Hurts makes RBs great then Miles Sanders and Dandre Swift would've been top backs. Henry doesn't need Lamar to be great lmfao

Burrow started every game, played at an mvp level (with amazing receivers), and that only got them to 8 wins. Wins and losses are not all on the qb, or the offense for that matter