QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Nice thank you. That is actually REALLY encouraging. Take away just one of those plays and the percentage drops to 3.5%. Take away two and it drops to 2.8%. For a rookie who's playing pretty aggressively, 4.3% is not too bad.

Add 1 more and it would be 5.0%. Add 2 more and it is approaching 6.0%. Very discouraging. Hopefully he cleans it up because defenses might not miss those opportunities come playoff time. Overall he has been doing really well but this is one area he could certainly clean up.

Lol true. But that would be odd for a promising rookie QB to start to make more mistakes after getting reps and playing experience.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Nice thank you. That is actually REALLY encouraging. Take away just one of those plays and the percentage drops to 3.5%. Take away two and it drops to 2.8%. For a rookie who's playing pretty aggressively, 4.3% is not too bad.

how does that stat work...possible int? Possible int plus actual int?

4.3 and 2.7 does not appear to account that Brock has 3 actual turnovers Mahomes has 5 actual turnovers since the Miami game.

I'm not sure how PFF defines TWP's. YAC would have to weigh in on that as I don't have access.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Nice thank you. That is actually REALLY encouraging. Take away just one of those plays and the percentage drops to 3.5%. Take away two and it drops to 2.8%. For a rookie who's playing pretty aggressively, 4.3% is not too bad.

how does that stat work...possible int? Possible int plus actual int?

4.3 and 2.7 does not appear to account that Brock has 3 actual turnovers Mahomes has 5 actual turnovers since the Miami game.

But a turnover doesn't necessarily mean a turnover worthy play. Remember the INT that bounced off Jennings' hands as he tipped it up into the air? That's a turnover, but it's not a turnover worthy play. (I think)

Originally posted by thl408:
But a turnover doesn't necessarily mean a turnover worthy play. Remember the INT that bounced off Jennings' hands as he tipped it up into the air? That's a turnover, but it's not a turnover worthy play. (I think)

TWP by JJ

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Nice thank you. That is actually REALLY encouraging. Take away just one of those plays and the percentage drops to 3.5%. Take away two and it drops to 2.8%. For a rookie who's playing pretty aggressively, 4.3% is not too bad.

Add 1 more and it would be 5.0%. Add 2 more and it is approaching 6.0%. Very discouraging. Hopefully he cleans it up because defenses might not miss those opportunities come playoff time. Overall he has been doing really well but this is one area he could certainly clean up.

holy heck....

You guys are playing Hypothetical games with Hypothetical outcomes that never actually happened.....

hahaha

Just about useless conversations

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Nice thank you. That is actually REALLY encouraging. Take away just one of those plays and the percentage drops to 3.5%. Take away two and it drops to 2.8%. For a rookie who's playing pretty aggressively, 4.3% is not too bad.

how does that stat work...possible int? Possible int plus actual int?

4.3 and 2.7 does not appear to account that Brock has 3 actual turnovers Mahomes has 5 actual turnovers since the Miami game.

But a turnover doesn't necessarily mean a turnover worthy play. Remember the INT that bounced off Jennings' hands as he tipped it up into the air? That's a turnover, but it's not a turnover worthy play. (I think)

Correct. The JJ INT did not count as a TWP for Purdy.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Nice thank you. That is actually REALLY encouraging. Take away just one of those plays and the percentage drops to 3.5%. Take away two and it drops to 2.8%. For a rookie who's playing pretty aggressively, 4.3% is not too bad.

Add 1 more and it would be 5.0%. Add 2 more and it is approaching 6.0%. Very discouraging. Hopefully he cleans it up because defenses might not miss those opportunities come playoff time. Overall he has been doing really well but this is one area he could certainly clean up.

holy heck....

You guys are playing Hypothetical games with Hypothetical outcomes that never actually happened.....

hahaha

Just about useless conversations

I was just playing devil's advocate.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Thanks for the numbers. I think playmaking QBs should be allowed more leeway when it comes to putting the ball in harm's way. A pure game manager type of QB should have a low amount of turnover worthy plays (TWP). QBs that push the envelope and create big plays for the offense will understandably have a higher number of TWP. Awesome QBs have low TWP and make many big plays for their offense.

I am of the thought that when dealing with accumulative stats than yes, I agree with you. A QB that throws the ball more should have a higher number of TWP's. But when turning it into a percentage rate than no, I do not agree with you. The better QB's tend to have a lower rate than below average QB's. Josh Allen this season has turned the ball over at a really high rate and it has cost his team some wins this season. It probably cost them the number 1 seed and it could end up costing them in the playoffs as well.

That percentage doesn't take into account the type of throws. QBs that push the ball downfield are at a higher risk of putting the ball in danger as opposed to the QB that trends toward the safe play. That needs to be taken into account. If two QBs have the same percentage, but one rarely pushes the ball downfield in an attempt to make a big play, that QB isn't doing a very good job of taking care of the ball, even though their % is identical.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Nice thank you. That is actually REALLY encouraging. Take away just one of those plays and the percentage drops to 3.5%. Take away two and it drops to 2.8%. For a rookie who's playing pretty aggressively, 4.3% is not too bad.

how does that stat work...possible int? Possible int plus actual int?

4.3 and 2.7 does not appear to account that Brock has 3 actual turnovers Mahomes has 5 actual turnovers since the Miami game.

But a turnover doesn't necessarily mean a turnover worthy play. Remember the INT that bounced off Jennings' hands as he tipped it up into the air? That's a turnover, but it's not a turnover worthy play. (I think)

So a non-turnover worthy play can result in a turnover?

So anything can happen in a turnover worthy play like a non-turnover and a non-turnover worthy play can result in a turnover.....

Why should we care about this invented stat?

Do they at least list the actual plays they are tallying to put eyeballs on it?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Thanks for the numbers. I think playmaking QBs should be allowed more leeway when it comes to putting the ball in harm's way. A pure game manager type of QB should have a low amount of turnover worthy plays (TWP). QBs that push the envelope and create big plays for the offense will understandably have a higher number of TWP. Awesome QBs have low TWP and make many big plays for their offense.

I am of the thought that when dealing with accumulative stats than yes, I agree with you. A QB that throws the ball more should have a higher number of TWP's. But when turning it into a percentage rate than no, I do not agree with you. The better QB's tend to have a lower rate than below average QB's. Josh Allen this season has turned the ball over at a really high rate and it has cost his team some wins this season. It probably cost them the number 1 seed and it could end up costing them in the playoffs as well.

That percentage doesn't take into account the type of throws. QBs that push the ball downfield are at a higher risk of putting the ball in danger as opposed to the QB that trends toward the safe play. That needs to be taken into account. If two QBs have the same percentage, but one rarely pushes the ball downfield in an attempt to make a big play, that QB isn't doing a very good job of taking care of the ball, even though their % is identical.

What about the short congested middle of the field that takes perfect timing, a quick release and pin point accuracy? As we all should know with Jimmy, they are just as much a risk for turnovers.

Actually after second thought. Jimmy wasn't asked to throw the ball 40+ times a game and I would argue that his passes were much more important. Where he was tasked with throwing the ball was much more risky than throwing the deep ball down the field where there are naturally less defenders.

So I would say it is much more impressive that Jimmy's % was in the same company as Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Nice thank you. That is actually REALLY encouraging. Take away just one of those plays and the percentage drops to 3.5%. Take away two and it drops to 2.8%. For a rookie who's playing pretty aggressively, 4.3% is not too bad.

how does that stat work...possible int? Possible int plus actual int?

4.3 and 2.7 does not appear to account that Brock has 3 actual turnovers Mahomes has 5 actual turnovers since the Miami game.

But a turnover doesn't necessarily mean a turnover worthy play. Remember the INT that bounced off Jennings' hands as he tipped it up into the air? That's a turnover, but it's not a turnover worthy play. (I think)

So a non-turnover worthy play can result in a turnover?

So anything can happen in a turnover worthy play like a non-turnover and a non-turnover worthy play can result in a turnover.....

Why should we care about this invented stat?

Do they at least list the actual plays they are tallying to put eyeballs on it?

YOU don't have to care about anything that you don't want to care about.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Its fine if purdy throws a pick every 5 -6 quarters. He finds air touchdowns every 2 quarters.

I think shanny hates it though. He's so used to festivals of field goals he cant imagine the luxury of being allowed to endi drives without points and still win.

When jimmy got hurt he hadn't turned the ball over in....20 quarters, i want to say?

Shanny hates touchdowns? Man the ridiculous crap you gotta come up with to justify being so amazingly wrong.

No, the pick frequency. But its ok if the qb is producing 2x 3x touchdowns as picks. Im saying shanny might be too focused on cutting down the picks which might inhibit Purdy from hitting home runs. Cuz jimmy went multiple games withoit throwing picks ( and no air tds either).

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Its fine if purdy throws a pick every 5 -6 quarters. He finds air touchdowns every 2 quarters.

I think shanny hates it though. He's so used to festivals of field goals he cant imagine the luxury of being allowed to endi drives without points and still win.

When jimmy got hurt he hadn't turned the ball over in....20 quarters, i want to say?

Shanny hates touchdowns? Man the ridiculous crap you gotta come up with to justify being so amazingly wrong.

No, the pick frequency. But its ok if the qb is producing 2x 3x touchdowns as picks. Im saying shanny might be too focused on cutting down the picks which might inhibit Purdy from hitting home runs. Cuz jimmy went multiple games withoit throwing picks ( and no air tds either).

Jimmy wasn't aggressive. Brock has shown the opposite.

Purdy every time he opens up this thread after practice:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Nice thank you. That is actually REALLY encouraging. Take away just one of those plays and the percentage drops to 3.5%. Take away two and it drops to 2.8%. For a rookie who's playing pretty aggressively, 4.3% is not too bad.

how does that stat work...possible int? Possible int plus actual int?

4.3 and 2.7 does not appear to account that Brock has 3 actual turnovers Mahomes has 5 actual turnovers since the Miami game.

But a turnover doesn't necessarily mean a turnover worthy play. Remember the INT that bounced off Jennings' hands as he tipped it up into the air? That's a turnover, but it's not a turnover worthy play. (I think)

So a non-turnover worthy play can result in a turnover?

So anything can happen in a turnover worthy play like a non-turnover and a non-turnover worthy play can result in a turnover.....

Why should we care about this invented stat?

Do they at least list the actual plays they are tallying to put eyeballs on it?

It's a stat that attempts to remove good luck and bad luck from the raw stat. The raw stat is Brock threw an INT. But it was dumb luck because Jennings tipped it up into the air after the pass hit Jennings in the hands. Brock did not get a TWP on this play.
Remember the pass that the SEA safety dropped after it hit him in the hands? That was a bad pass that did not result in an INT. But the point is that it was a bad throw and the QB deserves to be knocked for it, but the raw INT stat won't show it. There is subjectivity to TWP because some plays are on the edge and it's up to the statistician to make the call.