QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Thanks for the numbers. I think playmaking QBs should be allowed more leeway when it comes to putting the ball in harm's way. A pure game manager type of QB should have a low amount of turnover worthy plays (TWP). QBs that push the envelope and create big plays for the offense will understandably have a higher number of TWP. Awesome QBs have low TWP and make many big plays for their offense.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

This week was Brock's first noticeably less impressive games.

It's kind of funny though.. If you think about it. His worst start so far is one where, although he missed several guys and threw a pick, he still made some huge precision throws, scrambled out of pressure numerous times (he was pressured a lot), brought the team back from behind, drove the team down with just a minute left for a game winning field goal attempt, and ultimately won in a shootout where we almost put up 40 points -- something we rarely did these past few years.

And he's a seventh round rookie? Dang.

Is this a guy you can figure out? It seems like so far, the best you can do is hope to get pressure, which affects any QB, or bat balls down. He just seems to deliver in every other facet so far.

Pocket elusiveness/mobility
Quick release
Cool under defensive pressure
Calm in key situations
Adequate arm
Strong football IQ
Trusts his reads
Generally makes good decisions
Goes for the big play when available
Natural leader
Physically and mentally tough
Doesn't snowball after a mistake
High character player & humble

I have been cautiously optimistic and I'm still trying to keep some sense of that, although it's getting harder and harder to ignore the fact that the kid is checking off virtually every box there is for a franchise quarterback.

Next steps would be to be big time in big time games -- the playoffs.

1) How much of it do you equate to the super-offense he has with CMac here and Kittle now healthy? Jimmy looked pretty darn good in this CMac-infused offense as well,...the best he ever has, and that's without a training camp. So this obviously is an open-ended question. And the more important question @ hand with a guy like Purdy is....

2) As teams get more used to his game, is he already relatively close to his peak? Or does he have alot more room for growth?

Still, regardless of the players around him. Doesn't he seem to have some stuff that even other above average QBs don't seem to have?

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Interesting to compare Trey and Brock. Someone could probably write a book about the NFL draft process and what traits are being overvalued and what traits are being undervalued.

i've seen a few interviews discussing the possibility of Purdy changing how QBs are draft evaluated in the future.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Interesting to compare Trey and Brock. Someone could probably write a book about the NFL draft process and what traits are being overvalued and what traits are being undervalued.

i've seen a few interviews discussing the possibility of Purdy changing how QBs are draft evaluated in the future.

.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Thanks for the numbers. I think playmaking QBs should be allowed more leeway when it comes to putting the ball in harm's way. A pure game manager type of QB should have a low amount of turnover worthy plays (TWP). QBs that push the envelope and create big plays for the offense will understandably have a higher number of TWP. Awesome QBs have low TWP and make many big plays for their offense.

I am of the thought that when dealing with accumulative stats than yes, I agree with you. A QB that throws the ball more should have a higher number of TWP's. But when turning it into a percentage rate than no, I do not agree with you. The better QB's tend to have a lower rate than below average QB's. Josh Allen this season has turned the ball over at a really high rate and it has cost his team some wins this season. It probably cost them the number 1 seed and it could end up costing them in the playoffs as well.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Interesting to compare Trey and Brock. Someone could probably write a book about the NFL draft process and what traits are being overvalued and what traits are being undervalued.

i've seen a few interviews discussing the possibility of Purdy changing how QBs are draft evaluated in the future.

.

someone is going to try it

Purdy has all the things you really need at QB. That's the thing. They get caught up in that 6'4" 225 lbs stuff and this guy can run fast. But it has very little to do with playing QB. QB is a head and sight game. Making quick decisions, getting the ball out quick and throwing an accurate ball. Purdy is great at all those. The stuff that's really important.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Nice thank you. That is actually REALLY encouraging. Take away just one of those plays and the percentage drops to 3.5%. Take away two and it drops to 2.8%. For a rookie who's playing pretty aggressively, 4.3% is not too bad.

If Purdy hadn't put up those turnovers for highlights, he probably would've been a 3rd rounder just by his 4 years of tapes. Scouts were tracking. Probably thought he's just another scrambling qb turnover machine.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Thanks for the numbers. I think playmaking QBs should be allowed more leeway when it comes to putting the ball in harm's way. A pure game manager type of QB should have a low amount of turnover worthy plays (TWP). QBs that push the envelope and create big plays for the offense will understandably have a higher number of TWP. Awesome QBs have low TWP and make many big plays for their offense.

I am of the thought that when dealing with accumulative stats than yes, I agree with you. A QB that throws the ball more should have a higher number of TWP's. But when turning it into a percentage rate than no, I do not agree with you. The better QB's tend to have a lower rate than below average QB's. Josh Allen this season has turned the ball over at a really high rate and it has cost his team some wins this season. It probably cost them the number 1 seed and it could end up costing them in the playoffs as well.

I think what he's saying is what I'm saying, which is that for QB's who are being aggressive and pushing the ball down the field, they're going to have a higher rate of TWP's. But they make up for it with chunk plays, TD's, first downs, etc. There's a balance of course. And ideally you'd like a QB who can be aggressive and still maintain a low percentage of TWP's - that's when you have a superstar. Purdy makes a few adjustments and continues to learn, there's no reason he can't get there.

For now, I will take what he is doing vs. what Jimmy was doing, even if his percentage of TWP's is higher. It's giving the offense a better chance to be successful overall.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Nice thank you. That is actually REALLY encouraging. Take away just one of those plays and the percentage drops to 3.5%. Take away two and it drops to 2.8%. For a rookie who's playing pretty aggressively, 4.3% is not too bad.

Add 1 more and it would be 5.0%. Add 2 more and it is approaching 6.0%. Very discouraging. Hopefully he cleans it up because defenses might not miss those opportunities come playoff time. Overall he has been doing really well but this is one area he could certainly clean up.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by FunkyChicken:
Interesting to compare Trey and Brock. Someone could probably write a book about the NFL draft process and what traits are being overvalued and what traits are being undervalued.

i've seen a few interviews discussing the possibility of Purdy changing how QBs are draft evaluated in the future.

.

yeah i think i'll side with Greg Cosell and his comment over a Jcool posted gif. but that's just me.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Thanks for the numbers. I think playmaking QBs should be allowed more leeway when it comes to putting the ball in harm's way. A pure game manager type of QB should have a low amount of turnover worthy plays (TWP). QBs that push the envelope and create big plays for the offense will understandably have a higher number of TWP. Awesome QBs have low TWP and make many big plays for their offense.

I am of the thought that when dealing with accumulative stats than yes, I agree with you. A QB that throws the ball more should have a higher number of TWP's. But when turning it into a percentage rate than no, I do not agree with you. The better QB's tend to have a lower rate than below average QB's. Josh Allen this season has turned the ball over at a really high rate and it has cost his team some wins this season. It probably cost them the number 1 seed and it could end up costing them in the playoffs as well.

I think what he's saying is what I'm saying, which is that for QB's who are being aggressive and pushing the ball down the field, they're going to have a higher rate of TWP's. But they make up for it with chunk plays, TD's, first downs, etc. There's a balance of course. And ideally you'd like a QB who can be aggressive and still maintain a low percentage of TWP's - that's when you have a superstar. Purdy makes a few adjustments and continues to learn, there's no reason he can't get there.

For now, I will take what he is doing vs. what Jimmy was doing, even if his percentage of TWP's is higher. It's giving the offense a better chance to be successful overall.

When looking at Mahomes, Hurts, Burrow (2.5%), etc. It doesn't really jive with that assumption.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

🤡

tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Thanks for the numbers. I think playmaking QBs should be allowed more leeway when it comes to putting the ball in harm's way. A pure game manager type of QB should have a low amount of turnover worthy plays (TWP). QBs that push the envelope and create big plays for the offense will understandably have a higher number of TWP. Awesome QBs have low TWP and make many big plays for their offense.

I am of the thought that when dealing with accumulative stats than yes, I agree with you. A QB that throws the ball more should have a higher number of TWP's. But when turning it into a percentage rate than no, I do not agree with you. The better QB's tend to have a lower rate than below average QB's. Josh Allen this season has turned the ball over at a really high rate and it has cost his team some wins this season. It probably cost them the number 1 seed and it could end up costing them in the playoffs as well.

That percentage doesn't take into account the type of throws. QBs that push the ball downfield are at a higher risk of putting the ball in danger as opposed to the QB that trends toward the safe play. That needs to be taken into account. If two QBs have the same percentage, but one rarely pushes the ball downfield in an attempt to make a big play, that QB isn't doing a very good job of taking care of the ball, even though their % is identical.

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Rookie-on-rookie crime as Raiders LB Luke Masterson (and teammate Tyler Hall) break up 49ers rookie Brock Purdy's 3rd down pass in the red zone.

Masterson, an undrafted rookie out of Wake Forest, has played over 50% of snaps for the Raiders defense the last four weeks. pic.twitter.com/9ZIlUnZi2S

— Seven Rounds in Heaven (@7RoundsInHeaven) January 1, 2023

This one I thought George should've had. Purdy threaded and it was there for George, hit him in the chest.

Yeah, but Purdy needed to throw that just a split second faster.

when people ask "how much more room for improvement does he have?" - those kind of plays come to mind for me because he'll get better with reps. The anticipation, accuracy, etc. he already does a fine job with those but he has so much more room for improvement when it comes to just operating this offense - think 2016 falcons.

after the first two TDs he started holding the ball a little longer, not running the bootleg fast enough.. i hope it's not getting to his head

You have to remember that there is more than enough film on him for defenses to game plan and try to make him uncomfortable - also, he is most likely seeing new coverages and his "go-to" plays are probably getting unique formations. I think it's just part of him being a rookie.

typically around games 6-12 or so are when rookie qb start to hit a little bump, I'm confident he will work through it. He obviously knows what he is doing - it's all about in-game adjustments.

that doesn't excuse his jogging bootlegs. especially the one that could've separated his shoulder and needed Aiyuk take away an INT. There were other times he locked on to players and ignoring the other routes. He just needs to take what the defense gives us

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tbf i was worried he hit that rookie wall in the first half. that wasnt a great first half (even witht he two TD) he was averaging 3 yards per attemmpt and had like 30 yards. My concerns were alleviated in the 2nd half

The only thing i m worried about is some throws we are getting a bit lucky some of those throws could easily be picks (last few games there has been more than a few batted balls that go straight threw the air)

He has had 6 turnover worthy plays in his last 141 attempts. That his a pretty high rate.

Is this an official stat somewhere or just your opinion/observation?

Pretty sure PFF tracks that.

Yes. PFF tracks them. Fans are free to take them with a grain of salt. But someone brought the subject up and I brought up objective data that correlates with their statement.

Gotcha. How does Purdy fair compared to other QB's during that stretch or for the season? I don't have PFF access otherwise I'd go look myself.

Jimmy was at a rate of 2.9%. Josh Allen is at 5.4%. Patrick Mahomes is at 2.7%. Tom Brady is at 2.8%. Jalen Hurts is at 2.1%. Tua is at 4.8%. Purdy is at 4.3%.

Nice thank you. That is actually REALLY encouraging. Take away just one of those plays and the percentage drops to 3.5%. Take away two and it drops to 2.8%. For a rookie who's playing pretty aggressively, 4.3% is not too bad.

how does that stat work...possible int? Possible int plus actual int?

4.3 and 2.7 does not appear to account that Brock has 3 actual turnovers Mahomes has 5 actual turnovers since the Miami game.