QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
montana is my favorite player from childhood. i can say looking back, that he was tremendous, and also had the benefit of pairing up with the perfect coach and system. one knock on joe, is he was pretty much injured his entire career. i don't know if he ever played a full season. joe incidentally was in KC and they didn't get to a SB, let alone win a SB. mahomes has won 3 with KC. the best QB of all time is clearly tom brady. he elevated the patriots to a 2 decade long dynasty, he then team flips and wins a SB in his first season with a new team. he won 7 rings. you can actually put montana and mahomes together and you get brady's ring total. there is just no contest.

LOL do you not understand why Montana was always injured? Because he played in an era when QB's were brutalized, and the league didn't GAF. Defenses were trying to end guys' careers, and that was just accepted. Montana was the toughest SOB ever for being that small, getting destroyed constantly, and still winning 4 titles.

Brady was pampered by the refs by a league that protected him as their cash cow. Any 49ers fan should understand why Montana is the greatest. No protection, no helmet radios, and he was flawless on the biggest stage. Never got embarrassed or lost to a mediocre opposing QB.

Meh...you had other QBs playing with the same rules who didn't miss as much time as Joe did. Just like you have QBs these days missing a ton of time with the soft rules of today.

We don't need to turn this into a Montana vs Brady thing here but Purdy is pretty comparable to Joe in skillset so he can certainly take this team to where we all want to see them go but just like Joe, he'll need a good team around him.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
That was our elite defense. It's a team sport.

Of course its a team sport, but without Joe we have zero SB's. Our elite defense didn't mean crap against the Ravens or the Chiefs. Joe was the difference maker.

Really? Steve Young would like a word with you.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah where's all the "Mahomes elevates his team" talk!!!

And I'm not just talking about this board, I'm talking about every radio station, every tv show, NFLN and ESPN. Such b******t!!!

I mean.....he absolutely elevates his team. Their OL is nothing to write home about. Their running game is average at best. Their WR corps is among the worst in the NFL. Kelce is declining bad.

They won 15 games.

Aside from our game against them, did you watch them in the regular season at all this year? They were probably the luckiest, most over-achieving 15-game winner in NFL history.

Mahomes did not win 15 games. Chris Jones, Butker, and their opponents being consistently stupid won them 15 games. Mahomes didn't even have a Pro Bowl year.

I get it. "Herp derp good teams WIN they find ways to WIN!! THEY'RE SO AMAZING!!" I could understand that argument… if they had won maybe 2-3 games on literally the last play and won most other games by 8-10 points. They won EIGHT games on literally the last play this year—And it always took their opponent being a total moron at the end to do it. The Raiders literally fumbled a basic snap ffs. How does that make Mahomes so great?

I did. I watched Mahomes have 7 game winning drives. I watched him have 5 fourth quarter comebacks. I watched him literally play his best ball all season when it mattered.

lol

We got some lazy users who don't know how to read beyond the first sentence of a valid comment lol.

Nothing you wrote past the first sentence changes anything.

Originally posted by jcs:
And the goat title beings to Brady. LoveJoe but 7>4

Bill Russell 11 > MJ 6

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Actually he was awful in 2.5

Bucs and this recent Eagles game, and the first 3 quarters of the first Niners SB he was awful. His career SB passer rating is only 86.9. Compared to Brady's 97.7 and Joe Montana's 127.8.

Everytime I see the stats laid out it reaffirms my belief that Joe is the GOAT. He was Michael Jordan in the SB. 11 TD's, 0 INT. 68% comp. Dismantled Dan Marino and John Elway.

That was our elite defense. It's a team sport.

And the goat title beings to Brady. LoveJoe but 7>4

Joe's era > Brady's era. 7 Brady era rings aren't as impressive as 4 Montana era rings. Nevermind all the cheating scandals Brady had going on during his time.

these guys don't know had brutal the sport was back then

I assume one of 2 things will happen.

1. We pay him too much, and people will complain it will hurt the teams success to ever getting a Superbowl.
2. We pay him too little, and people will complain that the franchise doesn't have any real trust in him to lead this team to a Superbowl.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
montana is my favorite player from childhood. i can say looking back, that he was tremendous, and also had the benefit of pairing up with the perfect coach and system. one knock on joe, is he was pretty much injured his entire career. i don't know if he ever played a full season. joe incidentally was in KC and they didn't get to a SB, let alone win a SB. mahomes has won 3 with KC. the best QB of all time is clearly tom brady. he elevated the patriots to a 2 decade long dynasty, he then team flips and wins a SB in his first season with a new team. he won 7 rings. you can actually put montana and mahomes together and you get brady's ring total. there is just no contest.

LOL do you not understand why Montana was always injured? Because he played in an era when QB's were brutalized, and the league didn't GAF. Defenses were trying to end guys' careers, and that was just accepted. Montana was the toughest SOB ever for being that small, getting destroyed constantly, and still winning 4 titles.

Brady was pampered by the refs by a league that protected him as their cash cow. Any 49ers fan should understand why Montana is the greatest. No protection, no helmet radios, and he was flawless on the biggest stage. Never got embarrassed or lost to a mediocre opposing QB.

Meh...you had other QBs playing with the same rules who didn't miss as much time as Joe did. Just like you have QBs these days missing a ton of time with the soft rules of today.

We don't need to turn this into a Montana vs Brady thing here but Purdy is pretty comparable to Joe in skillset so he can certainly take this team to where we all want to see them go but just like Joe, he'll need a good team around him.

It wasn't just the rules about not being able to touch the QB. They also allowed DBs to bang on receivers off the line which prevented them from getting open as easily. Purdy is okay and yes they can win with him. But there's no way he's a top 5 QB let alone the best in the game. I don't care about passer rating or stuff like that. I know what my eyes tell me. Montana was considered the best by nearly everyone during his era.

Originally posted by Niners99:
Joe being small shouldn't be a knock against his legacy. Elway and Marino were big dudes. Obviously they were going to withstand the beating better. You don't get to discredit a player for missing time with injuries if they were sustained from hits. Non contact? Sure. Call his conditioning into question. But let's test your availability after you get blindsided by Lawrence Taylor.

Great point, some of these people don't understand the difference in eras. I still consider Joe the GOAT because I don't believe Brady would have 7 rings if he played in the 80's or early 90's. Brady would whine to the refs if someone breathed on him too hard. JMHO

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It wasn't just the rules about not being able to touch the QB. They also allowed DBs to bang on receivers off the line which prevented them from getting open as easily. Purdy is okay and yes they can win with him. But there's no way he's a top 5 QB let alone the best in the game. I don't care about passer rating or stuff like that. I know what my eyes tell me. Montana was considered the best by nearly everyone during his era.

Underselling him a bit I would say.

I mean realistically you take Allen, mahomes, burrow and that's about it instead.

Purdy is generally very accurate and throws a nice soft touch which we haven't seen in a long time. He can also scramble and make super fast reads as necessary. Generally he's been amazingly clutch also in the playoffs...

Sure his numbers were down a bit this year but I strongly believe his receiving talent and offensive line would be a struggle for pretty much any other QB as well. There's reasons why Jennings was picked so late and deebo is generally just bad. Cowing can't see the field and pearsall has been a work in progress.

With the only really good receiving option being kittle we saw when he was heavily featured purdy put up good numbers. The same with Jennings but he has no after the catch speed to to take it to the house or really run deep and inflate purdys numbers.

Even if you throw in a bunch of other questionable QBs as better than him (which I don't because of how clutch purdy has been) I don't see him really outside of 9-11 which is better than okay...

Since we have seen what other QBs do in shanahans system it doesn't seem like most QBs could come in and do what he does...

He only just finished year 3. He should only get better with time or just completely regress with the kyle shanahan anti-qb regression coaching skills.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It wasn't just the rules about not being able to touch the QB. They also allowed DBs to bang on receivers off the line which prevented them from getting open as easily. Purdy is okay and yes they can win with him. But there's no way he's a top 5 QB let alone the best in the game. I don't care about passer rating or stuff like that. I know what my eyes tell me. Montana was considered the best by nearly everyone during his era.

Underselling him a bit I would say.

I mean realistically you take Allen, mahomes, burrow and that's about it instead.

Purdy is generally very accurate and throws a nice soft touch which we haven't seen in a long time. He can also scramble and make super fast reads as necessary. Generally he's been amazingly clutch also in the playoffs...

Sure his numbers were down a bit this year but I strongly believe his receiving talent and offensive line would be a struggle for pretty much any other QB as well. There's reasons why Jennings was picked so late and deebo is generally just bad. Cowing can't see the field and pearsall has been a work in progress.

With the only really good receiving option being kittle we saw when he was heavily featured purdy put up good numbers. The same with Jennings but he has no after the catch speed to to take it to the house or really run deep and inflate purdys numbers.

Even if you throw in a bunch of other questionable QBs as better than him (which I don't because of how clutch purdy has been) I don't see him really outside of 9-11 which is better than okay...

Since we have seen what other QBs do in shanahans system it doesn't seem like most QBs could come in and do what he does...

He only just finished year 3. He should only get better with time or just completely regress with the kyle shanahan anti-qb regression coaching skills.

9-11 is about right. That's not top 5 which is what I said. I just don't want to see the 49ers pay him like a top 5 QB at this point. If he signs a 4 year deal and preforms well during that time he'll still be young enough to sign a bigger deal. He'sging to get a massive amount of money for sure. Even if he gets $27-$32 mil per year it's an enormous increase for him. I doubt he'll starve over the next few years.

I' know tha tthe league is signing guys for obscene amounts of money but that doen't mean it's right. This escalation can't continue forever.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I' know tha tthe league is signing guys for obscene amounts of money but that doen't mean it's right. This escalation can't continue forever.

It's not up to the 49ers to make the NFL stop operating in the manner in which it does.

We cant tell Purdy's camp "I know that this is how much money QBs make after their rookie deal, but we dont believe thats how it should work....so we arent going to pay you nearly as much as other QBs who you have been objectively better than."

Now, we can all hope that he signs a team friendly deal, but we shouldnt count on it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah where's all the "Mahomes elevates his team" talk!!!

And I'm not just talking about this board, I'm talking about every radio station, every tv show, NFLN and ESPN. Such b******t!!!

I mean.....he absolutely elevates his team. Their OL is nothing to write home about. Their running game is average at best. Their WR corps is among the worst in the NFL. Kelce is declining bad.

They won 15 games.

Aside from our game against them, did you watch them in the regular season at all this year? They were probably the luckiest, most over-achieving 15-game winner in NFL history.

Mahomes did not win 15 games. Chris Jones, Butker, and their opponents being consistently stupid won them 15 games. Mahomes didn't even have a Pro Bowl year.

I get it. "Herp derp good teams WIN they find ways to WIN!! THEY'RE SO AMAZING!!" I could understand that argument… if they had won maybe 2-3 games on literally the last play and won most other games by 8-10 points. They won EIGHT games on literally the last play this year—And it always took their opponent being a total moron at the end to do it. The Raiders literally fumbled a basic snap ffs. How does that make Mahomes so great?

I did. I watched Mahomes have 7 game winning drives. I watched him have 5 fourth quarter comebacks. I watched him literally play his best ball all season when it mattered.

what you're forgetting is that Mahomes was part of the reason their offense was not good this year. He is part of the problem. Just because you caused a fire and put it out, does NOT mean you're a hero and a comeback king. Unbelievable how people forget this, it's hilarious.

Mahomes is a great quarterback, but he is not the best quarterback in the league right now and he certainly is not even in the top 10 when it comes to Super Bowl performances 🤣

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

It wasn't just the rules about not being able to touch the QB. They also allowed DBs to bang on receivers off the line which prevented them from getting open as easily. Purdy is okay and yes they can win with him. But there's no way he's a top 5 QB let alone the best in the game. I don't care about passer rating or stuff like that. I know what my eyes tell me. Montana was considered the best by nearly everyone during his era.

Underselling him a bit I would say.

I mean realistically you take Allen, mahomes, burrow and that's about it instead.

Purdy is generally very accurate and throws a nice soft touch which we haven't seen in a long time. He can also scramble and make super fast reads as necessary. Generally he's been amazingly clutch also in the playoffs...

Sure his numbers were down a bit this year but I strongly believe his receiving talent and offensive line would be a struggle for pretty much any other QB as well. There's reasons why Jennings was picked so late and deebo is generally just bad. Cowing can't see the field and pearsall has been a work in progress.

With the only really good receiving option being kittle we saw when he was heavily featured purdy put up good numbers. The same with Jennings but he has no after the catch speed to to take it to the house or really run deep and inflate purdys numbers.

Even if you throw in a bunch of other questionable QBs as better than him (which I don't because of how clutch purdy has been) I don't see him really outside of 9-11 which is better than okay...

Since we have seen what other QBs do in shanahans system it doesn't seem like most QBs could come in and do what he does...

He only just finished year 3. He should only get better with time or just completely regress with the kyle shanahan anti-qb regression coaching skills.

9-11 is about right. That's not top 5 which is what I said. I just don't want to see the 49ers pay him like a top 5 QB at this point. If he signs a 4 year deal and preforms well during that time he'll still be young enough to sign a bigger deal. He'sging to get a massive amount of money for sure. Even if he gets $27-$32 mil per year it's an enormous increase for him. I doubt he'll starve over the next few years.

I' know tha tthe league is signing guys for obscene amounts of money but that doen't mean it's right. This escalation can't continue forever.

He was top 5 in 2023. He'll get in the range of Love and Hebert.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I' know tha tthe league is signing guys for obscene amounts of money but that doen't mean it's right. This escalation can't continue forever.

It's not up to the 49ers to make the NFL stop operating in the manner in which it does.

We cant tell Purdy's camp "I know that this is how much money QBs make after their rookie deal, but we dont believe thats how it should work....so we arent going to pay you nearly as much as other QBs who you have been objectively better than."

Now, we can all hope that he signs a team friendly deal, but we shouldnt count on it.

I didn't say it was up to the 49ers. It is upto the temas. Someone has to start taking a stand. It shouldn't be an insult to a player is he "only" gets $35 million per year. Whatever happened to paying a player based on actual value.

I've sais many times that I think Purdytis a good QB and capable of leading the team to a SB win. It doesn't take an elite QB to win a SB. Len Dawson, Jim McMahon, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypian, Trent Difer, Brad Johnson and Nick Foles all won a SB. I thonk Purdy is better than all of them. The Niners have shown they can get to the SB with out having a great QB. They've done it 3 times in the last 13 years.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
montana is my favorite player from childhood. i can say looking back, that he was tremendous, and also had the benefit of pairing up with the perfect coach and system. one knock on joe, is he was pretty much injured his entire career. i don't know if he ever played a full season. joe incidentally was in KC and they didn't get to a SB, let alone win a SB. mahomes has won 3 with KC. the best QB of all time is clearly tom brady. he elevated the patriots to a 2 decade long dynasty, he then team flips and wins a SB in his first season with a new team. he won 7 rings. you can actually put montana and mahomes together and you get brady's ring total. there is just no contest.

LOL do you not understand why Montana was always injured? Because he played in an era when QB's were brutalized, and the league didn't GAF. Defenses were trying to end guys' careers, and that was just accepted. Montana was the toughest SOB ever for being that small, getting destroyed constantly, and still winning 4 titles.

Brady was pampered by the refs by a league that protected him as their cash cow. Any 49ers fan should understand why Montana is the greatest. No protection, no helmet radios, and he was flawless on the biggest stage. Never got embarrassed or lost to a mediocre opposing QB.

Meh...you had other QBs playing with the same rules who didn't miss as much time as Joe did. Just like you have QBs these days missing a ton of time with the soft rules of today.

We don't need to turn this into a Montana vs Brady thing here but Purdy is pretty comparable to Joe in skillset so he can certainly take this team to where we all want to see them go but just like Joe, he'll need a good team around him.

It wasn't just the rules about not being able to touch the QB. They also allowed DBs to bang on receivers off the line which prevented them from getting open as easily. Purdy is okay and yes they can win with him. But there's no way he's a top 5 QB let alone the best in the game. I don't care about passer rating or stuff like that. I know what my eyes tell me. Montana was considered the best by nearly everyone during his era.

Not about to downplay what Montana did but Joe also had advantages that Brock doesn't have.

Excellent OL play, including a brilliant OL coach who could turn virtually anyone into good players. He had Bill Walsh who was revolutionizing the game - once Parcells/Belichick caught up to the scheme it certainly became a lot tougher.

No salary cap allowing us to keep our best players including an excellent defense.

Talent wise Brock is similar to Joe and I think his strengths would certainly translate very well to Walsh's offense. Yes the DBs could battle receivers but Brock is able to throw with great anticipation and basically throw guys open as part of this scheme. We'll never know of course but I don't think saying they're comparable skill wise is anything crazy.