QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by boast:
i'm 52 and have been watching the Niners nearly every week since 1980. this drive reminded me of late 80s Montana to Rice. im not saying either player is on the same HoF career trajectory just that the drive just felt eerily familiar.

All it took was 41 seconds. 3 connections with Aiyuk for Brock Purdy to lead the offense into field goal range . Here are the 3 throws .

He did this was ease . This is a rookie. Whos 4 games in. Not normal stuff here .#NFL #49ers #QB1 pic.twitter.com/II9GlWBXpB

— Socrates (@ITfactor00) January 2, 2023

I had the same feeling. It was eery.

Good QBs separate themselves from the ordinary by being able to rise above the fray and make the effort that allows their team to win. Even when the game has not been going their way, they somehow manage to get it together and carry the team to victory.

For the past four weeks, everyone was asking to see BP bring the team from behind to win. Check.

Does Purdy get considering for OROY or nah too late?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
All starting QBs do the same things with only the frequency being different. That doesn't mean we can't discuss the things our starting QB does, good or bad. It's not nitpicking to point out Brock's declining QB rating, PFR rating him 45/48 amongst QBs with at least 50 throws in on target throw %, his low BTT to TWT ratio, etc. He's playing well relative to your typical 7th round rookie Mr. Irrelevant. Nobody disputes that. But I don't get why people are so hostile in regards to discussing things that he hasn't done well.

We absolutely can. But silly and biased positions should be called out for what they are.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If you adjust for the dropped passes, Purdy would have completed 71.4% of his passes. He also had a 1st down rate of 42.9% which was his best yet and is well above league average. He also was 50% on 3rd down with a TD. We had 12 total drives and only faced 8 3rd down situations. We were Purdy damn efficient on 1st and 2nd down.

There's no reason to adjust for dropped passes since few of them were on accurate throws. People were calling that throw to Jennings a drop, but Purdy under threw it by a good 10 yards allowing the DB to break it up. Should not be considered a drop.

LMAO utterly ridiculous take,you couldn't be anymore transparent.

Transparent that the QB shouldn't be let off the hook for drops that are a result of poor ball placement? We don't need to make excuses for Purdy on those plays. I doubt he would blame the WR for them.

Stevie Wonder can see your agenda from a mile away.

Seriously what's his deal? Is he a Trey-only supporter or just wants to see the world burn? Lol

Remember when you spent 2 months straight spending hours every day complaining about the slightest wobble in Trey's passes? You should really be quiet about any QB criticism.

You guys LOVE to hang onto that one. It was the off season with not much to talk about. I was firmly on the Trey wagon by the time the season started and he proved the wobble didn't matter. I blame Kyle for his injuries, not him. That said, he's light years behind Purdy and even Jimmy.

But this is the Purdy thread so let's get back on topic. He's leading the league in passer rating since taking over and passes any/all "eye tests." What is the purpose of your nonstop negativity? If you just want to cheerlead for Trey, go do that in his thread. But no, here you are in the Purdy thread making nonsensical criticisms just like you did with Jimmy, just to prop up "your guy." I'm assuming anyway, nothing else makes any sense.

Of course it's going to get brought back up because it was egregious in the same way that a lot of Trey criticism has been egregious.

That said, how am I propping up my guy by pointing out areas where Purdy hasn't been perfect? Purdy is MY guy. I was on the "Purdy should be the #2" bandwagon during the preseason and people got mad when I recognized that he was better than Jimmy back in October. It's funny to see that some of those same people who were critical of that take back then are now mad that not everyone is in lockstep in regards to the consensus that Purdy has made zero mistakes.

It was a two week span in the off season, and I wasn't even claiming that it WOULD be a detriment. I said it could. It was something to talk about when we didn't have any games to discuss. That is in no way, shape or form comparable to your season-long pursuit to disparage Jimmy and now Brock, during some of the best QB play we've seen in 20 years.

Not one person has said that Purdy has made zero mistakes.

When have I ever disparaged Jimmy? I'm one of Jimmy's biggest fans, but I could recognize the flaws in his game. Purdy is better than him, obviously, we all recognize that, but Purdy has flaws too and I don't see the harm in discussing those in the same way I didn't see the harm in discussing Jimmy's.

That's not the same as a lot of the ongoing criticism of Trey which only seems to be based in something that goes beyond anything to do with football. People get madder about someone pointing out that Purdy had two turnover worthy plays on the last drive yesterday than they do about SanDiego49er going into the Trey thread randomly at 2 AM to call him a "trash thug" a week after his injury. That kind of "criticism" was even more common during TC and your nonstop focus on something largely meaningless like wobble only added to it. Couldn't even post one clip of Trey throwing the ball without several pages of wobble discussion whether any passes wobbled or not.

Stop. We all know you hate Jimmy.

"Something that goes beyond anything to do with football." Is this the race card again? You think people like Purdy over Trey because of race? Ridiculous. I guess Michael Irvin is racist against Trey too.

I defended Trey from people who said stupid crap, to the point that I got a 30 day timeout. But thank you for clarifying why you're doing what you're doing with Jimmy and Purdy.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
All starting QBs do the same things with only the frequency being different. That doesn't mean we can't discuss the things our starting QB does, good or bad. It's not nitpicking to point out Brock's declining QB rating, PFR rating him 45/48 amongst QBs with at least 50 throws in on target throw %, his low BTT to TWT ratio, etc. He's playing well relative to your typical 7th round rookie Mr. Irrelevant. Nobody disputes that. But I don't get why people are so hostile in regards to discussing things that he hasn't done well.

He's playing well compared to other starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Cherry picking a handful of stats does not make a strong argument otherwise. He has decimated normal expectations for a QB selected in his range in his rookie season.

On top of that, there has been next to zero implication by posters here that he has been perfect. You are creating this position to argue against. You have laughably bad opinions as far as I can see. I still can't get over you saying the 49ers were on track to have a Denver Broncos like season before the CMC trade. You don't know what you're looking at.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
All starting QBs do the same things with only the frequency being different. That doesn't mean we can't discuss the things our starting QB does, good or bad. It's not nitpicking to point out Brock's declining QB rating, PFR rating him 45/48 amongst QBs with at least 50 throws in on target throw %, his low BTT to TWT ratio, etc. He's playing well relative to your typical 7th round rookie Mr. Irrelevant. Nobody disputes that. But I don't get why people are so hostile in regards to discussing things that he hasn't done well.

He's playing well compared to other starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Cherry picking a handful of stats does not make a strong argument otherwise. He has decimated normal expectations for a QB selected in his range in his rookie season.

On top of that, there has been next to zero implication by posters here that he has been perfect. You are creating this position to argue against. You have laughably bad opinions as far as I can see. I still can't get over you saying the 49ers were on track to have a Denver Broncos like season before the CMC trade. You don't know what you're looking at.

Please post more often.

Originally posted by boast:
i'm 52 and have been watching the Niners nearly every week since 1980. this drive reminded me of late 80s Montana to Rice. im not saying either player is on the same HoF career trajectory just that the drive just felt eerily familiar.

All it took was 41 seconds. 3 connections with Aiyuk for Brock Purdy to lead the offense into field goal range . Here are the 3 throws .

He did this was ease . This is a rookie. Whos 4 games in. Not normal stuff here .#NFL #49ers #QB1 pic.twitter.com/II9GlWBXpB

— Socrates (@ITfactor00) January 2, 2023

I'm 48 and I remember the same. To me it reminds me of 1981 when Joe took over and Walsh's offense just clicked. DeBerg was solid but Walsh couldn't do everything he wanted to. Purdy has completely unlocked the offense and earned Kyle's trust to call plays aggressively because he knows Purdy won't make him look bad if the play isn't there.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
If you adjust for the dropped passes, Purdy would have completed 71.4% of his passes. He also had a 1st down rate of 42.9% which was his best yet and is well above league average. He also was 50% on 3rd down with a TD. We had 12 total drives and only faced 8 3rd down situations. We were Purdy damn efficient on 1st and 2nd down.

There's no reason to adjust for dropped passes since few of them were on accurate throws. People were calling that throw to Jennings a drop, but Purdy under threw it by a good 10 yards allowing the DB to break it up. Should not be considered a drop.

LMAO utterly ridiculous take,you couldn't be anymore transparent.

Transparent that the QB shouldn't be let off the hook for drops that are a result of poor ball placement? We don't need to make excuses for Purdy on those plays. I doubt he would blame the WR for them.

Stevie Wonder can see your agenda from a mile away.

Seriously what's his deal? Is he a Trey-only supporter or just wants to see the world burn? Lol

Remember when you spent 2 months straight spending hours every day complaining about the slightest wobble in Trey's passes? You should really be quiet about any QB criticism.

You guys LOVE to hang onto that one. It was the off season with not much to talk about. I was firmly on the Trey wagon by the time the season started and he proved the wobble didn't matter. I blame Kyle for his injuries, not him. That said, he's light years behind Purdy and even Jimmy.

But this is the Purdy thread so let's get back on topic. He's leading the league in passer rating since taking over and passes any/all "eye tests." What is the purpose of your nonstop negativity? If you just want to cheerlead for Trey, go do that in his thread. But no, here you are in the Purdy thread making nonsensical criticisms just like you did with Jimmy, just to prop up "your guy." I'm assuming anyway, nothing else makes any sense.

Of course it's going to get brought back up because it was egregious in the same way that a lot of Trey criticism has been egregious.

That said, how am I propping up my guy by pointing out areas where Purdy hasn't been perfect? Purdy is MY guy. I was on the "Purdy should be the #2" bandwagon during the preseason and people got mad when I recognized that he was better than Jimmy back in October. It's funny to see that some of those same people who were critical of that take back then are now mad that not everyone is in lockstep in regards to the consensus that Purdy has made zero mistakes.

It was a two week span in the off season, and I wasn't even claiming that it WOULD be a detriment. I said it could. It was something to talk about when we didn't have any games to discuss. That is in no way, shape or form comparable to your season-long pursuit to disparage Jimmy and now Brock, during some of the best QB play we've seen in 20 years.

Not one person has said that Purdy has made zero mistakes.

When have I ever disparaged Jimmy? I'm one of Jimmy's biggest fans, but I could recognize the flaws in his game. Purdy is better than him, obviously, we all recognize that, but Purdy has flaws too and I don't see the harm in discussing those in the same way I didn't see the harm in discussing Jimmy's.

That's not the same as a lot of the ongoing criticism of Trey which only seems to be based in something that goes beyond anything to do with football. People get madder about someone pointing out that Purdy had two turnover worthy plays on the last drive yesterday than they do about SanDiego49er going into the Trey thread randomly at 2 AM to call him a "trash thug" a week after his injury. That kind of "criticism" was even more common during TC and your nonstop focus on something largely meaningless like wobble only added to it. Couldn't even post one clip of Trey throwing the ball without several pages of wobble discussion whether any passes wobbled or not.

Stop. We all know you hate Jimmy.

"Something that goes beyond anything to do with football." Is this the race card again? You think people like Purdy over Trey because of race? Ridiculous. I guess Michael Irvin is racist against Trey too.

I defended Trey from people who said stupid crap, to the point that I got a 30 day timeout. But thank you for clarifying why you're doing what you're doing with Jimmy and Purdy.

Stop that nonsense. Where did I say or imply that? I was implying that they hate Trey for reasons that don't have anything to do with his play, which is usually a result of them having weird pre-existing loyalties to the former QB (such as in your case). That said, I have no idea why SanDiego49er posted the kinds of things he did. You'd have to ask him.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Does Purdy get considering for OROY or nah too late?

It'll be interesting.
OBJ had the least amount of games for an ROTY-winner at 11.

After Week 18, Purdy will have 5 starts + the Dolphins game. I haven't looked at the other rookies' stats. I can see him getting votes if it's a thin year, due to how high-profile the QB position is (especially since we're a contending team).

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Does Purdy get considering for OROY or nah too late?

It'll be interesting.
OBJ had the least amount of games for an ROTY-winner at 11.

After Week 18, Purdy will have 5 starts + the Dolphins game. I haven't looked at the other rookies' stats. I can see him getting votes if it's a thin year, due to how high-profile the QB position is (especially since we're a contending team).

Garett Wilson has 1000 yds for a team that never has those, and in the NY market.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Niners99:
So you admit that you're arguing just for the sake of argument? There's no reason to criticize Brock Purdy.

Please don't say stuff like that,....I start to have flashbacks. Criticism is just fine,...defeat it with good counterpoints or just ignore.

If the criticisms are unwarranted and ridiculous as they have been, then "good counterpoints" aren't needed.

Commentary arent needed on them then, no matter the angle of wobble of the point. Just skip it and carry on but cut out the "hush movement",....just given some of the stuff you've gotten away with saying here in the past.

Whenever I commented on a possible upgrade @ our QB position and you wanted me hushed forever on here,...but here we are with the last pick of this year's NFL draft and seeing it front and center. Go figure?

Nothing @ all wrong with ignoring folks you cant engage civilly with. Let them share their opinion.

"Possible upgrade" is one way of putting it lol. You and a few others are just addicted to negativity and spewing unwarranted hate under the guise of "criticism." There are plenty of posters that are able to criticize with some nuance that fosters actual communication, rather than the trolling/inciting that you, Ring, 49att, and a few others partake in.

The ignore feature sucks because it blocks comments made by people who aren't blocked, if they're quoted. So it's almost a useless feature. It would be much more simple if the few of you who enjoy trolling and inciting just went away. But you won't, so the rest of us will just keep calling you out. If you don't like it, oh well.

1.Disagreeing with whatever you personally think about a situation doesn't equate to someone else trolling, btw. This is simply the use of a shock word for ill effect and as a deterrent from the topic.

2. You have a habit of wanting posters that strongly disagree with you "hushed", though, and I reminded you of a current one where you were wrong as an example.. Would be cool to see you man up and admit that yes, upgrading our QB position is/was very possible,...even w/o an experienced QB replacing him. Or even if you cant admit it, try to stop begging that those that disagree with you be quiet. This is a position you were very wrong on, no doubt.

Dont repeat the same mistake of chasing down everyone that disagrees with you and demanding that they be silenced. Counter their point with something witty or, hey!, just ignore them and they'll eventually go away.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Of course it's going to get brought back up because it was egregious in the same way that a lot of Trey criticism has been egregious.

That said, how am I propping up my guy by pointing out areas where Purdy hasn't been perfect? Purdy is MY guy. I was on the "Purdy should be the #2" bandwagon during the preseason and people got mad when I recognized that he was better than Jimmy back in October. It's funny to see that some of those same people who were critical of that take back then are now mad that not everyone is in lockstep in regards to the consensus that Purdy has made zero mistakes.

Please show me who said Purdy made zero mistakes. I missed it. Thanks.

Nobody has to say it directly. It's implied when people throw tantrums over it being pointed out that the interception was Purdy's fault or that poor ball placement lead to a lot of the "drops" yesterday.

I am pretty sure we are all in agreement that the INT pass was late and severely underthrown. As far as the drops, if it hits the receiver in the hands or chest/stomach than it is on the receiver. It may be credited as an incompletion. But in all fairness, QB's get credited for INT's that are caused by dropped/tipped passes even if the pass was perfectly placed.

I just don't agree with you on the drops thing. It doesn't seem useful in the context of discussing Brock Purdy to say that if it touches the receivers hands then it should be caught, because that implies that the QB doesn't share some of the blame for not making it easier to catch. It was fair to criticize Trey last year for rocketing short passes, because even though they'd hit the receivers in the hands, it's still making things harder than they need to be.

Oh, is that what this about? Someone criticized Trey last year for rocketing short passes?

I am saying that if the ball hits a receiver, it is on the receiver. Stats get charged to QB's that aren't always the QB's fault. I have exampled a couple of scenarios that demostrate that. You choose to ignore them because it renders your argument useless.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
All starting QBs do the same things with only the frequency being different. That doesn't mean we can't discuss the things our starting QB does, good or bad. It's not nitpicking to point out Brock's declining QB rating, PFR rating him 45/48 amongst QBs with at least 50 throws in on target throw %, his low BTT to TWT ratio, etc. He's playing well relative to your typical 7th round rookie Mr. Irrelevant. Nobody disputes that. But I don't get why people are so hostile in regards to discussing things that he hasn't done well.

Two reasons:

1. Your constant negative takes have destroyed your claim to objectivity and lack of bias.

2. Your passive-aggressive pro-Lance agenda is well known. You attack anything and everything to tear down Purdy.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
All starting QBs do the same things with only the frequency being different. That doesn't mean we can't discuss the things our starting QB does, good or bad. It's not nitpicking to point out Brock's declining QB rating, PFR rating him 45/48 amongst QBs with at least 50 throws in on target throw %, his low BTT to TWT ratio, etc. He's playing well relative to your typical 7th round rookie Mr. Irrelevant. Nobody disputes that. But I don't get why people are so hostile in regards to discussing things that he hasn't done well.

He's playing well compared to other starting quarterbacks in the NFL. Cherry picking a handful of stats does not make a strong argument otherwise. He has decimated normal expectations for a QB selected in his range in his rookie season.

On top of that, there has been next to zero implication by posters here that he has been perfect. You are creating this position to argue against. You have laughably bad opinions as far as I can see. I still can't get over you saying the 49ers were on track to have a Denver Broncos like season before the CMC trade. You don't know what you're looking at.

We were 3-4 before CMC came in (yes, technically he played a few snaps against KC, but the LAR game was his first real one). 3-4 is a losing record so by definition we were on track for a losing season at that point. Thank the lord for CMC who saved us.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Does Purdy get considering for OROY or nah too late?

It'll be interesting.
OBJ had the least amount of games for an ROTY-winner at 11.

After Week 18, Purdy will have 5 starts the Dolphins game. I haven't looked at the other rookies' stats. I can see him getting votes if it's a thin year, due to how high-profile the QB position is (especially since we're a contending team).

Garett Wilson has 1000 yds for a team that never has those, and in the NY market.

Ah. I can see Garrett Wilson winning ROTY then.
I imagine Purdy would get some votes though.