QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm not knocking Lance, this is directed at what you're saying. Talent doesn't matter if you don't have other tools. Talent is the easiest damn thing to see when scouting players. Lol

Essentially EVERY player that gets drafted is talented, specifically first round. There are so many variables in getting a player to ascend to that level and that is the real challenge.

you can be talented at something and never reach its potential for countless reasons, it could be something as simple as it isn't something you're passionate about.

This is the case of not everyone looking for same traits in a QB. We all have own that we like.

So if a QB doesn't have the trait you're looking fir you aren't going to like said QB. NY appears to place physical traits above all else.

Originally posted by krizay:
I mean, Where Bourne at now? Thoughts on his QB?

We gonna talk about McCorkle and his dirty ass? Dude's attitude is trash and players around the league are seeing it. Yeah no one cares about him…fans calling for the backup.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Our best receivers in 2020 were kendrick Bourne and a rookie.

don't talk to me about being hypocritical lol. Tossing out "luck" as data then poo pooing turn over worthy plays and PFF related data.

Jalen hurts last yr completed 60% of his passes, 16 passing TDs and 9 INTs. Wow those are some MVP numbers crazy players can actually get better at playing football…but according to some, players can't improve from college to the pros. Playing more football can't possibly help you get better at playing football.

The 2021 Eagles weren't a Super Bowl contender, with a better immediate option at the position on the roster, so it was much easier for them play Hurts consequence free. They had a choice of playing Jalen Hurts, or Gardner Minshew. Not to mention the fact that Jalen Hurts in 2021 was further along in development and much more experienced than Trey Lance.

The situation is not the same. This has been true of most of the comparisons I've seen you make. I can't think of a situation from history comparable to the 49ers situation last year, or this year. Off the top of my head, the 2005 Chargers seems closest.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
We gonna talk about McCorkle and his dirty ass? Dude's attitude is trash and players around the league are seeing it. Yeah no one cares about him…fans calling for the backup.

You just used Kendrick Bourne as a #1 as a reason why a QB would struggle. Was just curious why a certain QB wasn't offered the same reasoning.

I mean I get it. I'm familiar with your work.

Originally posted by OKC49erFan:

Originally posted by NineFourNiner:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Just think that a rookie is playing this well in this league after getting his first game action in like week eleven or some ish? Unbelievable!

We really need to stop thinking about Purdy as a rookie in the same sense as most rookies come into the league. He has FAR more experience than any other rookie in recent memory...and it shows in his play.

Another point that has been blown up is the idea he has an average or slightly below-average arm. Tom Gormely of the Quarterback Collective has stated that after working with them, his speed improved to 55-56 MPH while the average NFL QB throws it at 54-55 MPH. So there is that.

Adding that he flung the ball 45 yards to Kittle in the EZ this past weekend with no issues. That'll get the job done.

Absolutely! Love it!

I'll take 56mph with accuracy, catchable, and maybe a little air under it than the Kapernick 99mph fastball that broke fingers, thrown on a rope, and batted at the line. Plus, he couldn't get past his first read which is the problem with many young QBs. They're lucky to see half of the field, while Purdy seems to easily read through options, see the clock, and even that run that counted as a sack realized he couldn't throw it away without an illegal man downfield penalty.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
The 2021 Eagles weren't a Super Bowl contender, with a better immediate option at the position on the roster, so it was much easier for them play Hurts consequence free. They had a choice of playing Jalen Hurts, or Gardner Minshew. Not to mention the fact that Jalen Hurts in 2021 was further along in development and much more experienced than Trey Lance.

The situation is not the same. This has been true of most of the comparisons I've seen you make. I can't think of a situation from history comparable to the 49ers situation last year, or this year. Off the top of my head, the 2005 Chargers seems closest.

😂 so because the eagles weren't suppose to win the SB in 2021, hurts can play AND develop into the QB he is now? so NOW they have one or the best teams in football and a MVP candidate in Hurts (a yr later and still making the playoffs)…WOW what an awful situation for them…how dare they develop a QB and have a good roster in the process with a bright future….who would ever want that???

my comparisons are merely to show that players given time can become good….you thinking that's not reality is stupid. Plain and simple. On season of not playing a avg QB shouldn't deter the opportunity to have a great young QB on a GREAT roster for years to come. Ya'll act like Jimmy was Aaron Rogers or some s**t…guess what still didn't win a SB with him.

Originally posted by krizay:
You just used Kendrick Bourne as a #1 as a reason why a QB would struggle. Was just curious why a certain QB wasn't offered the same reasoning.

I mean I get it. I'm familiar with your work.

Bill spent the most money on free agents in the history of his tenure in New England that off season, plus they got back more starters than anyone else after the Covid sit out….cry me a river (Bourne isn't even playing this yr) Again no one cares about Mr. Limited and his trashy attitude. Someone is gonna hurt that kid with the way he's played for the past two seasons. Maybe Zappa can win them some games, the players and fans like him at the very least.

Dude is the Johnny Lawrence of football 😂

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Our best receivers in 2020 were kendrick Bourne and a rookie.

don't talk to me about being hypocritical lol. Tossing out "luck" as data then poo pooing turn over worthy plays and PFF related data.

Jalen hurts last yr completed 60% of his passes, 16 passing TDs and 9 INTs. Wow those are some MVP numbers crazy players can actually get better at playing football…but according to some, players can't improve from college to the pros. Playing more football can't possibly help you get better at playing football.

Straw man fallacy. I don't think anyone playing more football can't possibly help you get better, nor players can't improve.

This guy is the real deal. I actually believe in this guy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
😂 so because the eagles weren't suppose to win the SB in 2021, hurts can play AND develop into the QB he is now? so NOW they have one or the best teams in football and a MVP candidate in Hurts (a yr later and still making the playoffs)…WOW what an awful situation for them…how dare they develop a QB and have a good roster in the process with a bright future….who would ever want that???

my comparisons are merely to show that players given time can become good….you thinking that's not reality is stupid. Plain and simple. On season of not playing a avg QB shouldn't deter the opportunity to have a great young QB on a GREAT roster for years to come. Ya'll act like Jimmy was Aaron Rogers or some s**t…guess what still didn't win a SB with him.

Nowhere did I say that's not reality. I acknowledged the exact opposite in your Eagles example. You're not properly reading my positions, and arguing your incorrect interpretations, lol.

The 2021 49ers were a Super Bowl contending team with a veteran who had shown he could be the QB of a Super Bowl contending team. Giving the keys to a raw prospect in order to develop him on the fly COULD potentially hinder that team's ability to contend. The limited evidence indicated just that, and the coach's decision to start Jimmy G from the beginning of the season through multiple injuries in the playoffs also did so.

The 2021 Eagles were NOT a Super Bowl contending team with an established veteran QB. They were a team in transition (ended up a fringe playoff team), with a young QB prospect in Hurts, and former starter/backup who had started 20 games in Jacksonville over his two seasons in the NFL. It was not CLEAR who was the better starter between the two, and the consequences/risks for getting that decision wrong, or for prioritizing the development of Hurts, were much lower.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bill spent the most money on free agents in the history of his tenure in New England that off season, plus they got back more starters than anyone else after the Covid sit out….cry me a river. Again no one cares about Mr. Limited and his trashy attitude. Someone is gonna hurt that kid with the way he's played for the past two seasons. Maybe Zappa can win them some games, the players and fans like him at the very least.

Dude is the Johnny Lawrence of football 😂

So Bill spent all that money and Kendrick Bourne was still his #1.

Mr. limited who started the same amount of games in college as Trey. Only has Kendrick Bourne as his #1 still looks better than Trey with a loaded roster.

Sounds like fans around these parts are calling for the "backup" too right? 🤔

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Trey had the golden opportunity to be handed the starting role this season for a good team, but got injured and missed the opportunity. And yes, the rise of Purdy certainly is not good for Trey going forward.

Not his fault the HC ran his ass into the ground. Thank god we're not calling those QB runs anymore.

It is his fault that he hasn't developed any other QB skills

Originally posted by Heed49er:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Trey had the golden opportunity to be handed the starting role this season for a good team, but got injured and missed the opportunity. And yes, the rise of Purdy certainly is not good for Trey going forward.

Not his fault the HC ran his ass into the ground. Thank god we're not calling those QB runs anymore.

It is his fault that he hadn't developed any other QB skills

In fairness to Trey, he has spent time with MULTIPLE throwing coaches trying figure it out. Maybe his 4th one will help him figure it out

Originally posted by dj43:
...and that is the bind.

Brock Purdy has put the 49ers in a bind, a pleasant one, but a bind. They have invested a TON in Lance, thinking they had no other option than to go down that road. Not in their wildest dreams did they see Purdy on the horizon. Unfortunately, or fortunately, whichever side one is on, they now have the quality of QB they wanted. It just isn't the guy in which they invested so much.

So, that is the bind.

What is amazing is that we used up 3 firsts and a third and have gotten virtually very little use out of Trey, and now two yrs later we have a stacked team going into the playoffs with better talent than we had 2 yrs ago, and a red hot QB starting. It is like those picks we gave up for Trey really didn't affect us much because even without Trey, we're doing fine…er, super fine.

To pull something like that off we have to have a smokin' hot F.O as well As studs at HC/GM. Look at Denver w/ a 9 figure QB that didn't work out plus they just fired their HC, and they traded away 6 picks besides. It would be tough being a DEN fan right now, and here we are on a mission to win the SB.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Heed49er:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by libertyforever:
Trey had the golden opportunity to be handed the starting role this season for a good team, but got injured and missed the opportunity. And yes, the rise of Purdy certainly is not good for Trey going forward.

Not his fault the HC ran his ass into the ground. Thank god we're not calling those QB runs anymore.

It is his fault that he hadn't developed any other QB skills

In fairness to Trey, he has spent time with MULTIPLE throwing coaches trying figure it out. Maybe his 4th one will help him figure it out

Did he? I didn't know that. That might be bad news, perhaps he wasn't getting the results and had to change coaches.