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Originally posted by Sickaa:
No need to trade Lance whilst he's still developing as a QB.
It's way too early to give up on someone you gave up a small fortune to acquire In the first place.
Originally posted by mojo_lo:
Honest question - what is Trey worth? Two years in the league, hasn't shown much, injured for most of this season. I'd give a 3rd rounder for him, but not much else. Any GM who traded multiple high picks for Trey, is begging criticism and probably would be sacked after a year. I don't see much of an upside for a team trading for Trey.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by mojo_lo:
Honest question - what is Trey worth? Two years in the league, hasn't shown much, injured for most of this season. I'd give a 3rd rounder for him, but not much else. Any GM who traded multiple high picks for Trey, is begging criticism and probably would be sacked after a year. I don't see much of an upside for a team trading for Trey.
That right there is the million dollar question. It would all depend on what teams thought about him pre draft and their current situation. That situation being draft pick allotment, QB situation, supporting cast etc.... also depends on what other QBs are available.
If a team like Baltimore moves off of Lamar Jackson I could see them being in play.
I honestly don't what what he could fetch. Also, not sure what my asking price would be. I definitely wouldn't just give him a way though.
It would almost certainly take a 1st. Or 2 2nds or 2nd and a conditional pick. 2nd and a player of interest.
Hell! I don't know. I do know I would listen to offers though
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Of course he was setting up easy throws for Jimmy. Brock's emergence just shows how much he was propping up Jimmy all of this time. Seeing how much better a 7th round rookie is performing than him, it's hard to say if Jimmy would even be a starting caliber QB in another offense without Kyle. After watching Brock, it's hard not to be mad that we wasted so much time on Jimmy now that we know how fraudulent he was.
As for Trey, sure Kyle probably set up some easy throws for him too, but the difference is of that Trey didn't have Kittle or CMC for his games. Trey was also always intended to be a multi-year developmental project, so I'm not surprised that he was still struggling to find a groove in this offense due to his lack of experience.
The difference is that Brock is a far better quarterback than Trey, in almost every way that matters. Trey is going to have to put in a ton of work to even be worthy of a legit qb competition next season.
I don't think you've seen enough of either QB to make such a certain declaration. They didn't even play with the same teams. If you took Kittle and CMC away, do you think Purdy would be doing just as well right now? I don't.
Purdy has played well, especially relative to the quarterback he replaced (it's likely we'd be 7-8 or 8-7 right now if Jimmy hadn't gotten hurt), but he's not perfect. He has the highest rate of batted passes of any quarterback right now. PFR gives him the lowest on-target accuracy percentage of any QB with at least 50 snaps. He's yet to throw for more than 235 yards in a game. He might turn out to be the guy, but it's way too early to crown him.
If you take Deebo out of those games that Trey played in this year and last year, does he find the success that he had? Kittle wasn't even very involved in the passing game until Brock Purdy. So who knows what kind of impact Kittle would have had on Trey's game? As far as CMC, he is a QB's best friend in the passing game. But Jimmy was able to win a lot of games in his career here witout him. Why do fans try so hard to defend a QB that has very little to zero impact on this team?
A QB who was drafted 3rd overall should have had more of an impact on this team after two years than a 7th round nobody QB. The fact that there is even a debate about it says more about Trey than it does about Brock. Trey has a lot of catching up to do. The cat has been pulled completely out of the bag and the excuses are going to run dry soon if Brock keeps playing the way he is.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Of course he was setting up easy throws for Jimmy. Brock's emergence just shows how much he was propping up Jimmy all of this time. Seeing how much better a 7th round rookie is performing than him, it's hard to say if Jimmy would even be a starting caliber QB in another offense without Kyle. After watching Brock, it's hard not to be mad that we wasted so much time on Jimmy now that we know how fraudulent he was.
As for Trey, sure Kyle probably set up some easy throws for him too, but the difference is of that Trey didn't have Kittle or CMC for his games. Trey was also always intended to be a multi-year developmental project, so I'm not surprised that he was still struggling to find a groove in this offense due to his lack of experience.
The difference is that Brock is a far better quarterback than Trey, in almost every way that matters. Trey is going to have to put in a ton of work to even be worthy of a legit qb competition next season.
I don't think you've seen enough of either QB to make such a certain declaration. They didn't even play with the same teams. If you took Kittle and CMC away, do you think Purdy would be doing just as well right now? I don't.
Purdy has played well, especially relative to the quarterback he replaced (it's likely we'd be 7-8 or 8-7 right now if Jimmy hadn't gotten hurt), but he's not perfect. He has the highest rate of batted passes of any quarterback right now. PFR gives him the lowest on-target accuracy percentage of any QB with at least 50 snaps. He's yet to throw for more than 235 yards in a game. He might turn out to be the guy, but it's way too early to crown him.
If you take Deebo out of those games that Trey played in this year and last year, does he find the success that he had? Kittle wasn't even very involved in the passing game until Brock Purdy. So who knows what kind of impact Kittle would have had on Trey's game? As far as CMC, he is a QB's best friend in the passing game. But Jimmy was able to win a lot of games in his career here witout him. Why do fans try so hard to defend a QB that has very little to zero impact on this team?
A QB who was drafted 3rd overall should have had more of an impact on this team after two years than a 7th round nobody QB. The fact that there is even a debate about it says more about Trey than it does about Brock. Trey has a lot of catching up to do. The cat has been pulled completely out of the bag and the excuses are going to run dry soon if Brock keeps playing the way he is.
Without CMC we were 3-4 despite having the league's best defense. The offense was pitiful and we headed to a similar season as the Broncos. So it's a bit disingenuous to act like the difference isn't massive between the two situations. Especially since Lance's only full game was in a historic rainstorm at a level not seen since biblical times. Purdy's peashooter of an arm wouldn't be able to get the ball past the LOS if a single drop of water fell from the sky, so let's not pretend he would have done better in the same situation.
Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
No need to trade Lance whilst he's still developing as a QB.
It's way too early to give up on someone you gave up a small fortune to acquire In the first place.
the top 3 draft pick that the 49ers gave up even more for needs "developing", while a rookie that was the last pick of the draft is playing like a 5 year veteran.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Brock doesn't have a pea shooter - he actually has an above average arm.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Brock doesn't have a pea shooter - he actually has an above average arm.
His arm looks a little better than it did in college. Like others said, he's not gonna throw a missile on a 15 yard out route. All these NFL QBs can throw a football downfield, especially when the pocket it's totally collapsing in their lap…when you can step into it.
He's not gonna win because of arm talent. He's gonna win because of anticipation and his ability to handle pressure.
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
No need to trade Lance whilst he's still developing as a QB.
It's way too early to give up on someone you gave up a small fortune to acquire In the first place.
the top 3 draft pick that the 49ers gave up even more for needs "developing", while a rookie that was the last pick of the draft is playing like a 5 year veteran.
Not all QBs progress at the same rate. Some Qbs look good from the get-go, whilst others take much longer to hit their potential. ( See Josh Allen )
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Brock doesn't have a pea shooter - he actually has an above average arm.
His arm looks a little better than it did in college. Like others said, he's not gonna throw a missile on a 15 yard out route. All these NFL QBs can throw a football downfield, especially when the pocket it's totally collapsing in their lap…when you can step into it.
He's not gonna win because of arm talent. He's gonna win because of anticipation and his ability to handle pressure.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Of course he was setting up easy throws for Jimmy. Brock's emergence just shows how much he was propping up Jimmy all of this time. Seeing how much better a 7th round rookie is performing than him, it's hard to say if Jimmy would even be a starting caliber QB in another offense without Kyle. After watching Brock, it's hard not to be mad that we wasted so much time on Jimmy now that we know how fraudulent he was.
As for Trey, sure Kyle probably set up some easy throws for him too, but the difference is of that Trey didn't have Kittle or CMC for his games. Trey was also always intended to be a multi-year developmental project, so I'm not surprised that he was still struggling to find a groove in this offense due to his lack of experience.
The difference is that Brock is a far better quarterback than Trey, in almost every way that matters. Trey is going to have to put in a ton of work to even be worthy of a legit qb competition next season.
I don't think you've seen enough of either QB to make such a certain declaration. They didn't even play with the same teams. If you took Kittle and CMC away, do you think Purdy would be doing just as well right now? I don't.
Purdy has played well, especially relative to the quarterback he replaced (it's likely we'd be 7-8 or 8-7 right now if Jimmy hadn't gotten hurt), but he's not perfect. He has the highest rate of batted passes of any quarterback right now. PFR gives him the lowest on-target accuracy percentage of any QB with at least 50 snaps. He's yet to throw for more than 235 yards in a game. He might turn out to be the guy, but it's way too early to crown him.
If you take Deebo out of those games that Trey played in this year and last year, does he find the success that he had? Kittle wasn't even very involved in the passing game until Brock Purdy. So who knows what kind of impact Kittle would have had on Trey's game? As far as CMC, he is a QB's best friend in the passing game. But Jimmy was able to win a lot of games in his career here witout him. Why do fans try so hard to defend a QB that has very little to zero impact on this team?
A QB who was drafted 3rd overall should have had more of an impact on this team after two years than a 7th round nobody QB. The fact that there is even a debate about it says more about Trey than it does about Brock. Trey has a lot of catching up to do. The cat has been pulled completely out of the bag and the excuses are going to run dry soon if Brock keeps playing the way he is.
Without CMC we were 3-4 despite having the league's best defense. The offense was pitiful and we headed to a similar season as the Broncos. So it's a bit disingenuous to act like the difference isn't massive between the two situations. Especially since Lance's only full game was in a historic rainstorm at a level not seen since biblical times. Purdy's peashooter of an arm wouldn't be able to get the ball past the LOS if a single drop of water fell from the sky, so let's not pretend he would have done better in the same situation.
Brock doesn't have a pea shooter - he actually has an above average arm.
Originally posted by mayo49:
And, he's going to win because of his unreal accuracy.
Originally posted by Goatie:
A good QB will work with what he has got and do the best he can. With Shanahan as a coach designing plays it should be QB heaven. If JG was as bad as some people say then why did he win 70% of his games this year? If JG was so bad and Trey was so good why didn't Trey win all of his games instead of only 1 out of 3? Why is it that Purdy has won 4 out of 4 minus one series? Trey is a below average QB who did not make the most of his opportunities. He is not a winning QB but is somewhere around the level of Mullens to JG but still below JG. I am yet to see the evidence of him being better than JG let alone Purdy.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Of course he was setting up easy throws for Jimmy. Brock's emergence just shows how much he was propping up Jimmy all of this time. Seeing how much better a 7th round rookie is performing than him, it's hard to say if Jimmy would even be a starting caliber QB in another offense without Kyle. After watching Brock, it's hard not to be mad that we wasted so much time on Jimmy now that we know how fraudulent he was.
As for Trey, sure Kyle probably set up some easy throws for him too, but the difference is of that Trey didn't have Kittle or CMC for his games. Trey was also always intended to be a multi-year developmental project, so I'm not surprised that he was still struggling to find a groove in this offense due to his lack of experience.
The difference is that Brock is a far better quarterback than Trey, in almost every way that matters. Trey is going to have to put in a ton of work to even be worthy of a legit qb competition next season.
I don't think you've seen enough of either QB to make such a certain declaration. They didn't even play with the same teams. If you took Kittle and CMC away, do you think Purdy would be doing just as well right now? I don't.
Purdy has played well, especially relative to the quarterback he replaced (it's likely we'd be 7-8 or 8-7 right now if Jimmy hadn't gotten hurt), but he's not perfect. He has the highest rate of batted passes of any quarterback right now. PFR gives him the lowest on-target accuracy percentage of any QB with at least 50 snaps. He's yet to throw for more than 235 yards in a game. He might turn out to be the guy, but it's way too early to crown him.
If you take Deebo out of those games that Trey played in this year and last year, does he find the success that he had? Kittle wasn't even very involved in the passing game until Brock Purdy. So who knows what kind of impact Kittle would have had on Trey's game? As far as CMC, he is a QB's best friend in the passing game. But Jimmy was able to win a lot of games in his career here witout him. Why do fans try so hard to defend a QB that has very little to zero impact on this team?
A QB who was drafted 3rd overall should have had more of an impact on this team after two years than a 7th round nobody QB. The fact that there is even a debate about it says more about Trey than it does about Brock. Trey has a lot of catching up to do. The cat has been pulled completely out of the bag and the excuses are going to run dry soon if Brock keeps playing the way he is.
Without CMC we were 3-4 despite having the league's best defense. The offense was pitiful and we headed to a similar season as the Broncos. So it's a bit disingenuous to act like the difference isn't massive between the two situations. Especially since Lance's only full game was in a historic rainstorm at a level not seen since biblical times. Purdy's peashooter of an arm wouldn't be able to get the ball past the LOS if a single drop of water fell from the sky, so let's not pretend he would have done better in the same situation.
It's just dumb to focus so heavily on Lance's first two years rather than the bigger picture. If the Packers were as dumb as the people here they would have traded Aaron Rodgers after two years. If the Bills were as dumb as the people here, they would have gotten rid of Josh Allen. If the Chiefs fans were as dumb as us, they would have complained about what they gave up for Mahomes after he didn't play in his first year. Luckily for those franchises they aren't as dumb as us.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am looking at the full body of work, not just Trey's 1.25 starts this season. We started off 3-5 last season and played very well down the stretch and went deep into the playoffs. Sounds like things are repeating themselves once again this season. To say that we wouldn't have turned things around again if it wasn't for CMC is a stretch of the imagination. Now that isn't to take anything away from CMC and the success he's had here. He has been great. But Kyle was also the one who turned Deebo into a star last season. To think that he wouldn't have found another way if we didn't acquire CMC is ignoring the fact that Kyle did the same thing with a different player the year before.