QB Brock Purdy Thread

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
IMO,Lance will definitely get a chance to compete for the starting job, if not outright given it, due to the 3 first and 3rd spent on him. If s**t goes sideways they will have a safety net in another promising young player in Brock.

You hate to mess with growth and development. So much of football is rhythm and momentum. I get this stance but I'd hate to make a decision like this just because of the original investment you made in another.

FYI, these were the QBs drafted before BCB this season. Other than Pickett, I have no idea what the status of picks 2-8.

1. Kenny Pickett, Steelers, 20th overall
2. Desmond Riddler, Falcons, 74th overall
3. Malik Willis, Titans, 86th overall
4. Matt Corrall, Panthers, 94th overall
5. Bailery Zappe, Patriots, 137th overall
6. Sam Howell, Commanders, 144th overall
7. Chris Oladokun, Steelers, 241st overall
8. Skylar Thompson, Dolphins, 247th overall

9. Big Cock Brock, 49ers, 262nd overall

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
FYI, these were the QBs drafted before BCB this season. Other than Pickett, I have no idea what the status of picks 2-8.

1. Kenny Pickett, Steelers, 20th overall
2. Desmond Riddler, Falcons, 74th overall
3. Malik Willis, Titans, 86th overall
4. Matt Corrall, Panthers, 94th overall
5. Bailery Zappe, Patriots, 137th overall
6. Sam Howell, Commanders, 144th overall
7. Chris Oladokun, Steelers, 241st overall
8. Skylar Thompson, Dolphins, 247th overall

9. Big Cock Brock, 49ers, 262nd overall

Malik Willis did not look good in his first start with the Titans.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
IMO,Lance will definitely get a chance to compete for the starting job, if not outright given it, due to the 3 first and 3rd spent on him. If s**t goes sideways they will have a safety net in another promising young player in Brock.

You hate to mess with growth and development. So much of football is rhythm and momentum. I get this stance but I'd hate to make a decision like this just because of the original investment you made in another.

I don't think Lance will be given the job after the way Purdy has performed, especially if he gets them to the SB. He will be given the chance to compete for the job which is good for both of them. I see people that want to trade Trey already. I can't think of any 1st round QB that was released or traded without being allowed to play several games. Usually it's at least one full season.Since they knew going in that Trey had little experience I'm thinking they will stay with him thru his initial contract

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
My whole point isn't about who's better now. It's more about why would Kyle not give Trey a chance to compete. He's got nothing to lose by creating an open competition. It's an incentive for Trey to work hard to improve. If he declares that Purdy is the starter then where's the incentive for Trey. If he just throws in the towel then he's saying he made a mistake before Trey really gets a chance to learn on the field. I doubt they do that after 4 starts and only one full game as the actual starter. Based on how they have handled other players that have struggled to get on the field either because of performance or injuries I don't see them giving up this quickly on Trey. They hung in with Thomas and Garnet and eventually released them after they were given a fair chance. They gave Jimmy several starts and waited thru 2 major injuries before deciding to move on.

I'll be shocked if they don't give Trey a real chance in camp and pre season. Whether he can win the job is another issue.

I disagreed that there is nothing to lose. Open competition meanings mostly shared 1st team reps between 2 QBb in mini camp, training camp, and pre-season. I believed there is a huge benefit to have your starting QB to take most of the 1st team reps. It builds chemistry. Remembered Purdy, a young player with not much experience, probably had minimal 1st team reps this past off-season. If per Kyle's assessment there is a super high chance Purdy will be the opening starter next season, you want him to have as much 1st team rep as possible during the off-season.

And I am not sure what you considered to be a real chance. I think a fair open competition means there is a very very high chance Purdy will win the starting job. Let's be honest, he is miles and miles ahead of Trey right now. I am not sure Kyle wants to do a "fake" open competition and somehow hand Trey the job anyway. If Kyle started off saying Trey is the starter, then it is Trey' job.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
IMO,Lance will definitely get a chance to compete for the starting job, if not outright given it, due to the 3 first and 3rd spent on him. If s**t goes sideways they will have a safety net in another promising young player in Brock.

You hate to mess with growth and development. So much of football is rhythm and momentum. I get this stance but I'd hate to make a decision like this just because of the original investment you made in another.

I get what your saying. If it was just 1 first rounder it would be one thing, but they used 3 first and a 3rd on Lance. They spent a s**t ton of capital spent on him to not give him another chance to see if he was worth it.

And if that's the route HC takes next camp, we know Brock won't waste any back up reps while he waits for his shot again. We've already seen that. So, I think Kyle will take that into consideration when they roll into camp next season.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I don't think Lance will be given the job after the way Purdy has performed, especially if he gets them to the SB. He will be given the chance to compete for the job which is good for both of them. I see people that want to trade Trey already. I can't think of any 1st round QB that was released or traded without being allowed to play several games. Usually it's at least one full season.Since they knew going in that Trey had little experience I'm thinking they will stay with him thru his initial contract

Jim Druckenmiller, Paxton Lynch

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
IMO,Lance will definitely get a chance to compete for the starting job, if not outright given it, due to the 3 first and 3rd spent on him. If s**t goes sideways they will have a safety net in another promising young player in Brock.

You hate to mess with growth and development. So much of football is rhythm and momentum. I get this stance but I'd hate to make a decision like this just because of the original investment you made in another.

I get what your saying. If it was just 1 first rounder it would be one thing, but they used 3 first and a 3rd on Lance. They spent a s**t ton of capital spent on him to not give him another chance to see if he was worth it.

And if that's the route HC takes next camp, we know Brock won't waste any back up reps while he waits for his shot again. We've already seen that. So, I think Kyle will take that into consideration when they roll into camp next season.

It is one 3rd overall pick. Not all 1st rounders are equal. In one old draft value chart, five #32 overall pick roughly equals to one #1 overall pick.

Also, don't fall into the sunk cost trap.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Just repeat what you just did in drafting Trey. If Brock flames out, draft a QB in the next few years. Come on, use your common sense, brother.

Here's some common sense SF has a most $20M in DM if they move him…you have him for 3 yrs if you want at a reasonable price. We ALL know SF goes though QBs like water and your plan is to have Brock and who? You gonna have to actually pay money for a legit backup/vet.

let's stop being instant gratification reactionary emotional fans for 2 secs. How about that for some common sense?

what's even sillier is you want to draft another QB if Brock fails lol…you actually gonna let that one develop or no?

His 3 years expires at the end of next season doesn't it?

You agree that Purdy has now performed better than Trey and Purdy is most likely the starter next year right? And that Trey will only get an opportunity now before his three years expires if Purdy gets hurt? Right?

Not necessarily. Wha tif Trey outplays him in camp or is about the same as Brock and Kyle decides to go with Trey. Nothing is set in stone. I can't believe hiw peopek look at what little they've seen from bot Trey and Brock and decide what willbe next year.

Brock could regress and Trey might make big strides. We've seen both things happen many times in the NFL. Only an idiot would make up his mind avout next years starterer until after training camp.

My guess is it will be Purdy because I don't thunk Trey can improve that much during his rehab. By mid season it could be a different story.

One note on Purdy. Jimmy had one stretch where he threw 2 or more TD passes in 4 consecutive games in his entire career. It happened earlier this season against KC, Carolina, LV and Atl. The Niners went 2-2 in those games. Purdy has 2 TD passes in all 4 games that he's played in and all were wins. That's an indication of how far ahead he is in his development.

Your argument about Trey is all about "what ifs" and ultra conservatism about "what if" Purdy regresses, Any thing is possible in an infinite universe but what is most likely is based on what we see. And what we see and what is reality is that Purdy is head and shoulders ahead of Lance in an NFL QB that can run the system. Purdy is not ahead of Jimmy G in regards to efficiency but is trending over time to exceed JG's efficiency. Given JG is second in the league behind Mahomes in efficiency Purdy is going well. What I judge Purdy on is his tangible results and the intangible aspects he brings such as leadership, that he is a big dog in the fight, his ability to play while injured (JG was good in this regard as well). All Trey is, is potential due to his body type with some spurts of good football in college and NFL. That potential is far from realized yet and I do not have a crystal ball. But as you well know potential can turn to bust as well as turn to be top shelf, or indeed anywhere in between. That is why I have little regard to unrealized potential as opposed to what is being delivered right now.

My whole point isn't about who's better now. It's more about why would Kyle not give Trey a chance to compete. He's got nothing to lose by creating an open competition. It's an incentive for Trey to work hard to improve. If he declares that Purdy is the starter then where's the incentive for Trey. If he just throws in the towel then he's saying he made a mistake before Trey really gets a chance to learn on the field. I doubt they do that after 4 starts and only one full game as the actual starter. Based on how they have handled other players that have struggled to get on the field either because of performance or injuries I don't see them giving up this quickly on Trey. They hung in with Thomas and Garnet and eventually released them after they were given a fair chance. They gave Jimmy several starts and waited thru 2 major injuries before deciding to move on.

I'll be shocked if they don't give Trey a real chance in camp and pre season. Whether he can win the job is another issue.

And he helped them get to two NFC Championships and a Super Bowl in return. He might have done it again this year as well. He also was generally in the top five in terms of QB efficiency when he was healthy enough to get through a full season and has been the gold standard for what you want out of a teammate and in the locker room. All of which is a pretty good return on investment.

This whole notion that Jimmy has been some kind of drag on the organization and that they have more or less had to "put up with him" for the last five years is just stupid and yet it continues to be the driving narrative in this thread. When he is healthy he is simply a better QB than Lance at this particular moment in time, at least in terms of his ability to play the position. He was better last year and was probably better this year. Lance may develop into a reliable starter at some point but now that picture is clouded by Purdy's emergence. Brock is efficient, mobile, scores points, reads defenses well, is willing to be aggressive downfield and, so far, has demonstrated the ability to hit all the throws that are asked of him. What does Lance have to offer that is better than that except maybe a stronger arm? It will be interesting to see what happens next year. Go Niners!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Gotta love football and fans lol…it's such a week to week emotional rollercoaster. Couple weeks ago it was man we need to pay Jimmy $25M per. Tua was looked at as an MVP until he came to SF. Now he's playing like s**t.

People in here sucking the Rams nuts and how well they made that roster, complaining about not trading for Stafford…now they're a joke. We're on QB3 and guys like Rogers and Brady are a shell of themselves. Lawrence was a bust and not he's not. Hurts was regarded as a "running QB" now he's a MVP candidate.

how about ya'll take a breath enjoy the games and understand there's a whole hell of a lot that can happen by the 2023 season

One of the most opinionated people telling fans how to fan…
Wow

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Gotta love football and fans lol…it's such a week to week emotional rollercoaster. Couple weeks ago it was man we need to pay Jimmy $25M per. Tua was looked at as an MVP until he came to SF. Now he's playing like s**t.

People in here sucking the Rams nuts and how well they made that roster, complaining about not trading for Stafford…now they're a joke. We're on QB3 and guys like Rogers and Brady are a shell of themselves. Lawrence was a bust and not he's not. Hurts was regarded as a "running QB" now he's a MVP candidate.

how about ya'll take a breath enjoy the games and understand there's a whole hell of a lot that can happen by the 2023 season

One of the most opinionated people telling fans how to fan…
Wow

I am curious who he thinks was sucking the Rams' nuts.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
IMO,Lance will definitely get a chance to compete for the starting job, if not outright given it, due to the 3 first and 3rd spent on him. If s**t goes sideways they will have a safety net in another promising young player in Brock.

You hate to mess with growth and development. So much of football is rhythm and momentum. I get this stance but I'd hate to make a decision like this just because of the original investment you made in another.

I get what your saying. If it was just 1 first rounder it would be one thing, but they used 3 first and a 3rd on Lance. They spent a s**t ton of capital spent on him to not give him another chance to see if he was worth it.

And if that's the route HC takes next camp, we know Brock won't waste any back up reps while he waits for his shot again. We've already seen that. So, I think Kyle will take that into consideration when they roll into camp next season.

It is one 3rd overall pick. Not all 1st rounders are equal. In one old draft value chart, five #32 overall pick roughly equals to one #1 overall pick.

Also, don't fall into the sunk cost trap.

That is true. Not all first round picks are equal. There's a reason we gave up what we did to move from the 12th pick to 3rd.

im not falling for anything, I'm giving my opinion on what I believe HC and FO will decide to do and why. That's all.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Gotta love football and fans lol…it's such a week to week emotional rollercoaster. Couple weeks ago it was man we need to pay Jimmy $25M per. Tua was looked at as an MVP until he came to SF. Now he's playing like s**t.

People in here sucking the Rams nuts and how well they made that roster, complaining about not trading for Stafford…now they're a joke. We're on QB3 and guys like Rogers and Brady are a shell of themselves. Lawrence was a bust and not he's not. Hurts was regarded as a "running QB" now he's a MVP candidate.

how about ya'll take a breath enjoy the games and understand there's a whole hell of a lot that can happen by the 2023 season

One of the most opinionated people telling fans how to fan…
Wow

Wouldn't expect you to say anything different in here…pointing out that fans are emotional and reactionary isn't a wild take. Saying that things in the NFL change all the time isn't a wild take. You been paying attention to our team the past couple years?

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
I am curious who he thinks was sucking the Rams' nuts.

Wait you're telling me there wasn't a single person in here s**tting in Kyle for not trading for Stafford or this FO not selling everything for talent? McVay is the man blah blah blah. come on dude it's the usual suspects….and that's not even talking about the media.

My point is football changes quickly. What's good yesterday might not be good tomorrow. People get hurt constantly, consistency is hard. We as fans are emotional and reactionary to everything…thankfully our FO doesn't think like that.